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Old June 11th, 2014, 08:41 AM   #1521
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Damn, I didn't see this one coming.
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Airbus and Emirates Airline agree to cancel A350 XWB order

11 June 2014 Press Release

Airbus confirms that Emirates Airline has decided to cancel its order of 70 A350 XWB aircraft*. The decision follows on-going discussions with the airline in light of their fleet requirement review, as demonstrated by their order of 50 additional A380 at the last Dubai Airshow and their continuous interest in the program.

Airbus and Emirates Airline benefit from a long-standing relationship and the airline recently reiterated its confidence in Airbus products particularly by praising the A380 and the benefits the aircraft brings to their operations.

The order of 50 A350-900 and 20 A350-1000 was originally placed by Emirates Airline in 2007 with first delivery slots scheduled from 2019.

Airbus is very confident in its A350 XWB programme. Half a year before entry into service, the A350 XWB order book stands at a healthy 742 firm orders. The A350 flight test campaign is progressing well and is on track for Type Certification in the coming months.

Interest in the game changing A350 has always been very high with customers. Airbus expects the A350 order book to continue growing in 2014.
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...350-xwb-order/


The order total goes down from 812 to 742 with this cancellation.
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Old June 11th, 2014, 12:45 PM   #1522
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Damn, I didn't see this one coming.
I didn't see it coming either, especially the -900s. It's a heavy slap in Leahy's face. I'm a bit confused though with the reason behind the cancellation. I more or less understand their business model, but I still think there is a need for an aircraft this size (smaller than the 777-300ER and the upcoming 777-9) at Emirates for route opening and to access more thin routes (secondary cities).

I think Airbus needs to start worrying about the a350 program now as it seems that since the launch of the 777X (even though they are not head-to-head competitors), the a350's backlog hasn't grown much, it has even shrunk with this cancellation. They should mull the redesign or cancellation of the -800 and the launch of the -1100 to make the a350 more competitive.
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Old June 11th, 2014, 03:17 PM   #1523
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Damn, I didn't see this one coming.

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...350-xwb-order/

The order total goes down from 812 to 742 with this cancellation.
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I didn't see it coming either, especially the -900s. It's a heavy slap in Leahy's face. I'm a bit confused though with the reason behind the cancellation. I more or less understand their business model, but I still think there is a need for an aircraft this size (smaller than the 777-300ER and the upcoming 777-9) at Emirates for route opening and to access more thin routes (secondary cities).

I think Airbus needs to start worrying about the a350 program now as it seems that since the launch of the 777X (even though they are not head-to-head competitors), the a350's backlog hasn't grown much, it has even shrunk with this cancellation. They should mull the redesign or cancellation of the -800 and the launch of the -1100 to make the a350 more competitive.

I saw that coming.

With 742 remaining orders the A350 is still a highly successful program. Other potential customers will be very happy to use Emirates delivery slots for their new planes.

So please keep calm and don´t panic people!
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Old June 11th, 2014, 06:54 PM   #1524
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It was known that Emirates didn't like where the A350-1000 was going. But cancelling the complete order is going a couple of steps further then cancelling or converting a part of the order.

The timing is also an issue, today is the start of the Airbus Innovation Days where Airbus invites the industry to showcase their products. Now we have Tim Clark calling John Leahy this morning with the news that he's cancelling the complete order. A cancellation that is likely to be the biggest ever, will of course now be the main topic of conversation at these Innovation Days instead of how great the Airbus planes are.

But it won't have a big effect on Airbus or the A350 project. There are 70 slots that can now be resold for a higher price. The 1st deliveries were scheduled to start in 2019, it's not like there will now be gaps on the production line that have to be filled up ASAP.


But nevertheless, it's still a big blow for Airbus, no matter how much people want to spin this around into something positive.
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Old June 11th, 2014, 07:14 PM   #1525
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I didn't see that coming either, in fact I don't think anyone saw it coming.
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Old June 11th, 2014, 07:17 PM   #1526
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Bad for the A350 program but I think Airbus will be happy to sell 50 A380's rather than 70 A350's.
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Old June 11th, 2014, 07:21 PM   #1527
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But it won't have a big effect on Airbus or the A350 project. There are 70 slots that can now be resold for a higher price. The 1st deliveries were scheduled to start in 2019, it's not like there will now be gaps on the production line that have to be filled up ASAP.


But nevertheless, it's still a big blow for Airbus, no matter how much people want to spin this around into something positive.

Well shares fell for both Airbus and RR.

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Old June 11th, 2014, 08:05 PM   #1528
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It was an overall bad day for the European stock markets, it might not just have anything to do with the cancellation. Lufthansa also reported a profit warning today that also had a big negative impact on all aviation shares on the big stock exchanges.

Anyway, shares that go down are always a reason for buyers to pick them up again and make some profit when they go up again.
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Old June 11th, 2014, 09:09 PM   #1529
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In the grand scheme of things, the Emirates cancelation is a minor setback that isn't as bad as it appears.
That said, it's certainly not good news, but it seems to me that the A350-900 is too now too small for them and since Boeing have basically designed the 777-X Emirates's bespoke requirements, it's not that surprising when you think about it. Emirates have been signalling this for a while.
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Old June 12th, 2014, 04:22 AM   #1530
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In the end, Emirates cancelled the A350XWB order for two reasons:

1. They're buying 50 more A380-800's.

2. They're buying 150 777X models.

The A350XWB is too small for EK's needs, and the A350XWB-1000 has shorter range and carrying capacity than the 777-9. I expect EK to use the 777-9 heavily on its routes to the USA, routes that don't need the excess capacity of the A380-800.

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Old June 12th, 2014, 05:39 AM   #1531
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If Emirates maintains its 77W product on the 777X, quite frankly, the capacity jump to the A380 isn't that far off, especially since their lowest density A380 carries 487 passengers. The A350, because of its inability to seat 10-abreast Economy in a reasonably comfortable configuration, is just too little capacity for them. Ultimately, they're simply looking for aircraft with 350 seats and above.
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Old June 12th, 2014, 05:47 AM   #1532
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The boeing 747-I8 is what they are looking for and will buy... More fuel efficient than the airbus 380, more elegant, far more profitable and no wait on the delivery line...........
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The boeing 747-I8 is what they are looking for and will buy... More fuel efficient than the airbus 380, more elegant, far more profitable and no wait on the delivery line...........
They will never go for 747, nor will any other airline honestly (besides LH, Air China and Korean, unless they need it right now)

777-9 will ensure 747 is dead for good in 4 years time. I really doubt 747 is more efficient than A380 per seat (you can't compare per trip cost when carrying capacity is very different), else emirates wouldn't have ordered 140 of them! The problem with A380 is not many airlines can fill them, no other airplane can beat it in terms of per seat cost.

I don't think cancellation has anything gotta do with A350. Its seems Emirates has over played it hand in ordering those many ACs. They seem to be maturing as a company. Its not all about the new aircrafts and having it all.

They realise they don't need smaller aircrafts as much cos they can comfortably fill larger aircrafts in most routes and the fact that they aren't moving from DXB, so they need to utilise each available slot to the bestest. Also they need to to have smaller fleet Type to keep costs down.

Honestly their growth is also going to slow down, there aren't too many places left to go and countries/governments don't want to give them more slots (eg India). Growth will come from using larger aircrafts on existing routes.

In the next 5 years I see all 330s-340s-777-200s retire and fleet being about 777s (300-8-9) and 380s. It sounds more efficient.

I do see more possible orders for heavily discounted 777-300 ERs in the last years of productions and perhaps A330 NEO (Airbus is not letting them scot free without a rider...besides the A380 orders which is keeping the programme alive!). A350 is very efficient over larger distances, and A330NEO will be super efficient in shorter distances, I will not be surprised is they order it for smaller Middle Eastern, South Asian and African cities.

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Old June 12th, 2014, 08:56 AM   #1534
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Old June 12th, 2014, 01:35 PM   #1535
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Exciting day for some international media, they get to take a ride on our A350 XWB A350Xperience


Aboard the A350xwb Airbus very spacious, comfortable seating


Call sign AIB31CF for A350Xperience media flight. Ready for pushback... Enjoy!


Great shot! Waiting for takeoff on the A350Xperience


Excellent flight on the A350 over the Pyrenees.


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Old June 12th, 2014, 02:44 PM   #1536
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A350 back on the ground. A350Xperience



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Wishful thinking.
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Wishful thinking.
Actually the 8i is more fuel efficient then the 380.

Fuel cost per nautical mile is cheaper and Fuel cost per seat is cheaper.
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Emirates Airline has cancelled its entire order of 70 Airbus A350 XWB aircraft, worth $16bn at list prices. The development comes after several discussions in light of the carrier's fleet requirement review, as demonstrated by its order of 50 additional Airbus A380s at the last Dubai Airshow.
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