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Old June 15th, 2014, 09:45 PM   #1561
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B747-8I is fuel efficient than A380-800 B747-8I is best jumbo Emirates should order them.
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Old June 15th, 2014, 10:25 PM   #1562
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Personally, i see no reason that the A388s can't be upgraded to neo status and lightened as well. Its presently 575,000 kg (1,268,000 lb) in MOTW weight [pulling directly from Wikipedia] and i think that could easily be brought down by about 8% to make it about 529,000 kg. The 787-8Is are 987,000 lb (448,000 kg) in MOTW.

Generally, if i was to take what i know from the Motorsport world, and if Airbus was to make the 380s 8% lighter year on year, or per generation it would be a much more lucrative aircraft. Even if it was to be 5% lighter, it would be a much more lucrative aircraft.

Airbus need to make the A380 lighter, and needs an overhaul. Im sure once the A350 thing has finished its brain drain, the guys a at Toulouse can get into the A380-800neo and the A380-900neo as what they have learnt from the 350s can be transferred to the A380 and the possible A330-400neo and then, what has been learnt from all of those to the A322neo that is also in the probability of being built to fill a void in the market.

I think that Airbus are focusing in on 3 markets with 4 differing models for differing needs:

Short-Medium haul: A319-A320-A321-A322 (neo upgrades/updates as well) [anything up to 4 hours flight time]
Medium Haul: A330-400neo [anything up to 8 hours flight time, but more than 4 hours]
Long Haul: A350XWB [from 7 hours flight time to about 12 hours]
Super Heavy: A380-800-A380neo-A380-900neo [Anything from short haul for Asian markets to long haul for Intercontinental markets]

However, i can't think if a sub A320 series was to make its way in to the Embrarer E-Jet market with a aircraft that can take 48, 64 and 88 people in a 2X2 formation with them being offered to corporate customers as well i think with the Airbus common cockpit it would take off as theres plenty scope, i think for small lower capacity aircraft to some places that you are just up in the air for up to 90 minutes to 120 minutes that is needed in some places in Europe.

I might be blue sky thinking, but there is plenty scope for new models and upgrades and to make lighter more efficient models in todays market, but its all down to resources available i guess.
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Old June 16th, 2014, 10:13 AM   #1563
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Where did you get the 8% weight shaving figure from? You're talking removing 45 tons. I am very sure that's impossible.
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Old June 16th, 2014, 05:53 PM   #1564
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Qatar Airways’ first A350 (MSN006) has been spotted at Station 30 in the final assembly line...

http://A350Production.com/2014/06/06sf/
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Old June 17th, 2014, 12:43 AM   #1565
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Where did you get the 8% weight shaving figure from? You're talking removing 45 tons. I am very sure that's impossible.
From what i know from Motorsports, thats the Contract that Ferrari had with BBS wheels at one point. If Airbus could remove a more common figure of 5% i think it would make the A380 much more lucrative to buyers of the aircraft.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 01:08 AM   #1566
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Personally, i see no reason that the A388s can't be upgraded to neo status and lightened as well. Its presently 575,000 kg (1,268,000 lb) in MOTW weight [pulling directly from Wikipedia] and i think that could easily be brought down by about 8% to make it about 529,000 kg. The 787-8Is are 987,000 lb (448,000 kg) in MOTW.

Generally, if i was to take what i know from the Motorsport world, and if Airbus was to make the 380s 8% lighter year on year, or per generation it would be a much more lucrative aircraft. Even if it was to be 5% lighter, it would be a much more lucrative aircraft.

Airbus need to make the A380 lighter, and needs an overhaul. Im sure once the A350 thing has finished its brain drain, the guys a at Toulouse can get into the A380-800neo and the A380-900neo as what they have learnt from the 350s can be transferred to the A380 and the possible A330-400neo and then, what has been learnt from all of those to the A322neo that is also in the probability of being built to fill a void in the market.

I think that Airbus are focusing in on 3 markets with 4 differing models for differing needs:

Short-Medium haul: A319-A320-A321-A322 (neo upgrades/updates as well) [anything up to 4 hours flight time]
Medium Haul: A330-400neo [anything up to 8 hours flight time, but more than 4 hours]
Long Haul: A350XWB [from 7 hours flight time to about 12 hours]
Super Heavy: A380-800-A380neo-A380-900neo [Anything from short haul for Asian markets to long haul for Intercontinental markets]

However, i can't think if a sub A320 series was to make its way in to the Embrarer E-Jet market with a aircraft that can take 48, 64 and 88 people in a 2X2 formation with them being offered to corporate customers as well i think with the Airbus common cockpit it would take off as theres plenty scope, i think for small lower capacity aircraft to some places that you are just up in the air for up to 90 minutes to 120 minutes that is needed in some places in Europe.

I might be blue sky thinking, but there is plenty scope for new models and upgrades and to make lighter more efficient models in todays market, but its all down to resources available i guess.
Ive said the samething about the A380 .....its a fat cow. It needs some trimming.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 10:25 AM   #1567
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From what i know from Motorsports, thats the Contract that Ferrari had with BBS wheels at one point. If Airbus could remove a more common figure of 5% i think it would make the A380 much more lucrative to buyers of the aircraft.
Dude, Formula 1 cars are not airplanes. To give you an idea of how much 45 tons is, if you took out 45 tons from a 777-300ER, it'll become an A330-200. And those two planes are world apart.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 02:49 PM   #1568
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Old June 17th, 2014, 04:48 PM   #1569
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To give you an idea of how much 45 tons is, if you took out 45 tons from a 777-300ER, it'll become an A330-200. And those two planes are world apart.
Agreed. Removing 45 tons weight is physically impossible. For reference, both A380 and 747-8i have lost some 4 - 5 tons weight between the first and today's model, and that's about the maximum you will get.

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Its presently 575,000 kg (1,268,000 lb) in MOTW weight [pulling directly from Wikipedia] and i think that could easily be brought down by about 8% to make it about 529,000 kg. The 787-8Is are 987,000 lb (448,000 kg) in MOTW.
Weight savings are not about decreasing the MTOW. In fact, you can decrease the airframe weight while keeping or even increasing the MTOW, making it a better payload lifter.

Weight savings are done in the MEW and the DOW. In short:

* MEW (manufacturer's empty weight): basic aircraft + engines, APU etc
* DOW (dry operating weight): the cabin + equipment, food, beverage etc
* OEW (operating empty weight): MEW + DOW

The A380 lost some 4 tons of weight over the years in both the MEW and DOW, enabling Airbus to offer the 575t MTOW model. The MTOW bump combined with a lower OEW means the airframe can load a higher payload, or fly further. To give you an example: the 575t A380 enables EK to fly DXB-LAX without blocking off seats, something the basic 560t model cannot do.

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Yeah, because losing a 16 billion euro order is the best thing that could ever happen to Airbus.......

Thats like saying Qantas cancelling its order for 35 787-9s was good for Boeing.
Order cancellations are never good and they generate a lot of bad publicity for the company.

For the A350/787 programs themselves, it will probably don't hurt them.

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Old June 17th, 2014, 05:23 PM   #1570
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Glad to see at least one person understood my point.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 06:01 PM   #1571
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Old June 18th, 2014, 10:21 AM   #1572
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Old June 18th, 2014, 12:59 PM   #1573
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The A350 XWB has completed hot weather testing in Al Ain (UAE) to check its behavior at temp. reaching above 40°C.



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Old June 18th, 2014, 06:24 PM   #1574
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Earlier this week the rear fuselage section for Vietnam Airlines’ second A350 (MSN015) was spotted in Hamburg...

http://A350Production.com/2014/06/15pa/
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Old June 19th, 2014, 05:15 AM   #1575
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The current fleet of four #A350XWB test aircraft has already performed more than 2000 flight test hours

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The A350 XWB test fleet is now complete: ‘MSN005’,the 5th & final flight-test aircraft takes to the skies for the 1st time

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Old June 20th, 2014, 02:23 PM   #1578
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Good news for the A350 program: The fifth and last test aircraft made its first flight today.


Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 cn 005 F-WWYB by Clément Alloing - CAphotography, on Flickr


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Old June 20th, 2014, 07:10 PM   #1579
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Earlier today the fifth and final A350 flight test aircraft (MSN005) performed her first flight...

http://A350Production.com/2014/06/05to/
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will this plane come and compete with the 777?? and the A330??
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