ITALY | Railways

[Verso]

Originally Posted by italystf

Why euronights are useless? And do you know what means build a high speed rail through Carso hills? You need huge viaducts and tunnels that will cost several billions of euros and will generate for sure a local opposition. And this just for no more than 2 passenger trains per day. High speed rail is realisic only between Venice and Monfalcone.

It's planned also between Monfalcone and Divača (and on to Ljubljana), but it will be very expensive. There will be a 30-km-long tunnel between Monfalcone and Divača.

[Suburbanist]

Trenitalia unvelied a new fare structure on national trains.

It markers a further separation between management of national services and those contracted by regions.

Now the general fares are categorized as:

Base = refundable/changeable
Economy = 1 change allowed (with payment of fare difference if any)/ no refunds
Super Economy = no changes/ no refunds

There is no direct price levels or discounts associated with each fare. There is no pre-set number of discounted seats on any train, but they now can be acquired anytime before departure if available.

[NordikNerd]

Frecciargento-EuroStar Italy highspeed train in Florence.

Milano-Rome in 6 hours.

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[Suburbanist]

Too slow. The faster Frecciarossa or Italo take only 3h30 :p

[NordikNerd]

Originally Posted by Suburbanist

Too slow. The faster Frecciarossa or Italo take only 3h30 :p

It's probably that duration for the train on picture to.

[friedrichstrasse]

This train isn't used on the Milan-Rome line, but only on the slower lines (example: Rome-Bari)

[K_]

Originally Posted by friedrichstrasse

This train isn't used on the Milan-Rome line, but only on the slower lines (example: Rome-Bari)

The Frecciargento is used on Venezia - Roma though, so you will see it a lot in Firenze (where that picture was taken)

[friedrichstrasse]

Yes, it can be. In Milan I only see them in Cisalpino livery.

[joseph1951]

Originally Posted by NordikNerd

Frecciargento-EuroStar Italy highspeed train in Florence.

Milano-Rome in 6 hours.

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Nope.

For the fastest non stop train Milan Central -Rome Termini the journey time is 2h 55 minutes.
For the HSTs Milan Central - Rome Termini calling at Bologna and Florence the journey time is 3h 30 minutes.

Milan Central - Rome Termini via HSLs is 560 km long, and the fastest HST are travelling at an average commercial speed of 192 km/h......

On the Milan Central Rome Termini the pendolino ETR600 and the ETR550 have the same journey time. At present the pendolino ETR600 is faster than the ETR500 on the Florence -Rome high speed section..

Only about 150km of the entire line can be exploited for 300km/h runnings , i.e: 26.8% of the entire line....

[K_]

Originally Posted by joseph1951

Nope.

[B]For the fastest non stop train Milan Central -Rome Termini the journey time is 2h 55 minutes.
For the HSTs Milan Central - Rome Termini calling at Bologna and Florence the journey time is 3h 30 minutes.

I find it a bit odd that two stops ad 35 minutes to the trip time...

[K_]

Originally Posted by friedrichstrasse

Yes, it can be. In Milan I only see them in Cisalpino livery.

They run on Basel - Milano, and Geneve - Milano (- Venice) but those sets are Swiss, and will eventually all lose their Cisalpino livery.

[Coccodrillo]

Originally Posted by K_

I find it a bit odd that two stops ad 35 minutes to the trip time...

They have to reverse in Firenze Santa Maria Novella.

Originally Posted by K_

They run on Basel - Milano, and Geneve - Milano (- Venice) but those sets are Swiss, and will eventually all lose their Cisalpino livery.

They have already lost it. Only the ETR 470 still wear the Cisalpini livrery, eith either SBB ro Trenitalia logos.

[ETR401]

Originally Posted by joseph1951

Only about 150km of the entire line can be exploited for 300km/h runnings , i.e: 26.8% of the entire line....

Says who??
a) between Milano and Bologna, as far as the tracks are concerned, 300 kph running can be attained on 211 kms.... Check "fascicoli linea" on RFI's website.
b) anything lower than 300 kph must not be taken into account? If so, poor Germany (for instance...)

[friedrichstrasse]

Originally Posted by Coccodrillo

They have already lost it. Only the ETR 470 still wear the Cisalpini livrery, eith either SBB ro Trenitalia logos.

Aren't they wearing this livery anymore? Isn't this one the Cisalpino livery?

[Coccodrillo]

Originally Posted by friedrichstrasse

Aren't they wearing this livery anymore? Isn't this one the Cisalpino livery?

This is Cisalpino livrery, used by the ETR 470 with SBB or Trenitalia logos instead of Cisalpino's one. Now Trenitalia's ETR 610 wear one of the two Frecciargento livreries like the ETR 600, while SBB's ETR 610 are all like that:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SB...0_Salgesch.jpg

Note that all ETR 610 still belong to Cisalpino AG (and that SBB may order some more of them).

[NordikNerd]

One thing I miss in Italy are these digital info signs. They can only be found on major stations.

On the returntrip to Bolgheri from Cesena, me and my family took the wrong train, a train which went straight to Cesenatico without stopping in Bolgheri. If you're a tourist a crackled italian voice in the loudspeakers is not enough to perceive where the train will stop.

In Sweden all small trainstations served by commutertrains have clear digital info about where the train stops and not.

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[Coccodrillo]

There are printed panels which shows all stops of every train, although sometimes they are confusing as the same train may travel with slightly different numebr of stop or departure time according to the day (weekday, weekend, weekday in summer, saturday, ...).

[NordikNerd]

Originally Posted by Coccodrillo

There are printed panels which shows all stops of every train, although sometimes they are confusing as the same train may travel with slightly different numebr of stop or departure time according to the day (weekday, weekend, weekday in summer, saturday, ...).

Well, there were 2 departures from Cesena to Cesenatico at that time. The 2nd slower train arrived 4 min after the 1st one. We should have waited for the 2nd train which stopped at Bolgheri, but we got nervous, hesitated and took the 1st train which continued to Cesenatico without any stops. Costed us 70 EUR in taxi costs

[Baron Hirsch]

Originally Posted by K_

I find it a bit odd that two stops ad 35 minutes to the trip time...

That is how these Italian high speed trains work. Although they already have time reserves in the regular schedule, they also turn every stop in a terminus station where direction must be reversed (which is almost every station along the line) into a 20 minute stopover, even though in Frankfurt an ICE could reverse direction in 3 minutes. This absurd system will change as traditional stations will be replaced by through stations, but at present robs the system of much of its speed benefit.

[NordikNerd]

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Train from Florence to Faenza. A short trainset for this scenic route. The train stopped a few times on some small stations in the hilly landscape.