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Old December 20th, 2011, 10:26 AM   #241
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EuroNight trains are a relic of the past. It was good to see them gone.

They could think of a high-speed Venezia-Trieste-Lujbijlana rail link, instead of using old and slow railaways.
Why euronights are useless? And do you know what means build a high speed rail through Carso hills? You need huge viaducts and tunnels that will cost several billions of euros and will generate for sure a local opposition. And this just for no more than 2 passenger trains per day. High speed rail is realisic only between Venice and Monfalcone.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 10:38 AM   #242
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Last week NTV officially launched their .Italo brand and unveiled - together with Alstom - their AGV trains at the specially built Nola maintenance depot. Starting from March 2012, NTV will serve several destinations in Italy using the Italian high speed network. Prices will be announced in February 2012, when the booking module opens.



NTV is the first open access operator of high speed trains in Europe, being owned by, among others, a Ferrari boss. French national railway SNCF has a 20% stake in NTV. The trains are supplied by the French power and transport giant Alstom, world-famous for their TGV trains. Alstom is not only the supplier of 25 state of the art AGV trains, but will also perform proactive maintenance on them for a period of 30 years.

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Old December 20th, 2011, 01:11 PM   #243
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I am really excited about NTV. It is the first serious, large scale private train operation to set up shop in Italy with aim to offer a wide range of competing services with the dominant/state railway.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 04:20 PM   #244
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In that case Trenitalia should stop making sure there will not be a market for such a train.
Now it is correct.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 06:20 PM   #245
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Why euronights are useless? And do you know what means build a high speed rail through Carso hills? You need huge viaducts and tunnels that will cost several billions of euros and will generate for sure a local opposition. And this just for no more than 2 passenger trains per day. High speed rail is realisic only between Venice and Monfalcone.
It's planned also between Monfalcone and Divača (and on to Ljubljana), but it will be very expensive. There will be a 30-km-long tunnel between Monfalcone and Divača.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 06:05 AM   #246
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Trenitalia unvelied a new fare structure on national trains.

It markers a further separation between management of national services and those contracted by regions.

Now the general fares are categorized as:

Base = refundable/changeable
Economy = 1 change allowed (with payment of fare difference if any)/ no refunds
Super Economy = no changes/ no refunds

There is no direct price levels or discounts associated with each fare. There is no pre-set number of discounted seats on any train, but they now can be acquired anytime before departure if available.
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Old July 11th, 2012, 12:57 PM   #247
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Frecciargento-EuroStar Italy highspeed train in Florence.

Milano-Rome in 6 hours.

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Old July 11th, 2012, 02:09 PM   #248
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Too slow. The faster Frecciarossa or Italo take only 3h30 :p
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Old July 11th, 2012, 05:05 PM   #249
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Too slow. The faster Frecciarossa or Italo take only 3h30 :p
It's probably that duration for the train on picture to.
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Old July 12th, 2012, 03:52 PM   #250
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This train isn't used on the Milan-Rome line, but only on the slower lines (example: Rome-Bari)
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Old July 12th, 2012, 04:02 PM   #251
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This train isn't used on the Milan-Rome line, but only on the slower lines (example: Rome-Bari)
The Frecciargento is used on Venezia - Roma though, so you will see it a lot in Firenze (where that picture was taken)
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Old July 12th, 2012, 05:27 PM   #252
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Yes, it can be. In Milan I only see them in Cisalpino livery.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 03:58 AM   #253
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Frecciargento-EuroStar Italy highspeed train in Florence.

Milano-Rome in 6 hours.

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Nope.

For the fastest non stop train Milan Central -Rome Termini the journey time is 2h 55 minutes.
For the HSTs Milan Central - Rome Termini calling at Bologna and Florence the journey time is 3h 30 minutes.

Milan Central - Rome Termini via HSLs is 560 km long, and the fastest HST are travelling at an average commercial speed of 192 km/h......


On the Milan Central Rome Termini the pendolino ETR600 and the ETR550 have the same journey time. At present the pendolino ETR600 is faster than the ETR500 on the Florence -Rome high speed section..

Only about 150km of the entire line can be exploited for 300km/h runnings , i.e: 26.8% of the entire line....

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Nope.

[B]For the fastest non stop train Milan Central -Rome Termini the journey time is 2h 55 minutes.
For the HSTs Milan Central - Rome Termini calling at Bologna and Florence the journey time is 3h 30 minutes.
I find it a bit odd that two stops ad 35 minutes to the trip time...
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Old July 13th, 2012, 08:10 AM   #255
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Yes, it can be. In Milan I only see them in Cisalpino livery.
They run on Basel - Milano, and Geneve - Milano (- Venice) but those sets are Swiss, and will eventually all lose their Cisalpino livery.
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I find it a bit odd that two stops ad 35 minutes to the trip time...
They have to reverse in Firenze Santa Maria Novella.

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They run on Basel - Milano, and Geneve - Milano (- Venice) but those sets are Swiss, and will eventually all lose their Cisalpino livery.

They have already lost it. Only the ETR 470 still wear the Cisalpini livrery, eith either SBB ro Trenitalia logos.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 11:14 AM   #257
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Only about 150km of the entire line can be exploited for 300km/h runnings , i.e: 26.8% of the entire line....
Says who??
a) between Milano and Bologna, as far as the tracks are concerned, 300 kph running can be attained on 211 kms.... Check "fascicoli linea" on RFI's website.
b) anything lower than 300 kph must not be taken into account? If so, poor Germany (for instance...)
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They have already lost it. Only the ETR 470 still wear the Cisalpini livrery, eith either SBB ro Trenitalia logos.
Aren't they wearing this livery anymore? Isn't this one the Cisalpino livery?

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Aren't they wearing this livery anymore? Isn't this one the Cisalpino livery?
This is Cisalpino livrery, used by the ETR 470 with SBB or Trenitalia logos instead of Cisalpino's one. Now Trenitalia's ETR 610 wear one of the two Frecciargento livreries like the ETR 600, while SBB's ETR 610 are all like that:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SB...0_Salgesch.jpg

Note that all ETR 610 still belong to Cisalpino AG (and that SBB may order some more of them).
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Old July 13th, 2012, 12:47 PM   #260
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One thing I miss in Italy are these digital info signs. They can only be found on major stations.

On the returntrip to Bolgheri from Cesena, me and my family took the wrong train, a train which went straight to Cesenatico without stopping in Bolgheri. If you're a tourist a crackled italian voice in the loudspeakers is not enough to perceive where the train will stop.

In Sweden all small trainstations served by commutertrains have clear digital info about where the train stops and not.

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