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Old March 28th, 2014, 03:38 PM   #341
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First Jazz EMU delivered
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ITALY: Alstom officially handed over the first of 70 Coradia Meridian electric multiple-units being built for Trenitalia at Roma Termini on March 27.

The operator placed the €440m order for the four and five-car 160 km/h EMUs in November 2012. Following the musical themes of the Vivalto and Minuetto trainsets, Trenitalia has branded the new units 'Jazz'. They have a new livery with a 'marked contrast between its matt anthracite grey background and bright brush strokes of colour that enhance the dynamism and compactness of the train's design'.

The EMUs will be supplied in four configurations: Metropolitan, with more standing room; Regional, with more seats; Regional Eexpress, with a more comfortable interior for longer distances; and Airport, with more space for luggage. They will be equipped with CCTV, audio and visual information, signage in braille and 220 V power sockets.

The Coradia Meridian trainsets are being designed and manufactured at Alstom's Savigliano, Bologna and Sesto San Giovanni plants.
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And on which routes are they likely to be used?
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Old March 29th, 2014, 11:46 PM   #343
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And on which routes are they likely to be used?
Well. The forth type will be use on the line to the airport
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Old March 29th, 2014, 11:51 PM   #344
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Well. The forth type will be use on the line to the airport
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So it looks as though there's now a plan to extend the P400 piggyback profile down to the South of Italy.

There are various online sources of information on this and other stuff that relates to the cargo side of Ferrovie dello Stato Italiane, one of which is Intermodale 24.
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EU funding for France-Italy line studies
1 APR, 2014

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TEN-T Programme funding from the EU is to finance early studies into a planned upgrade to a section of railway linking France and Italy.

The line, which connects Mandelieu in France and Ventimiglia in Italy, is popular with tourists travelling to and from the Principality of Monaco, with the section between Nice and Monaco being the busiest in the country outside of Paris.

The European Union will provide €2.3 million to conduct initial studies. These will include traffic analysis and feasibility, technical and environmental studies
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 11:34 PM   #347
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So it looks as though there's now a plan to extend the P400 piggyback profile down to the South of Italy.

There are various online sources of information on this and other stuff that relates to the cargo side of Ferrovie dello Stato Italiane, one of which is Intermodale 24.
I'm surprised by the Bologna-Florence line: it includes many tunnels built in the 1920s and so too small (longest: 18.5, 7.2 and 3 km). Enlarging them by 2017 seems optimistic. Tunnels on other lines (which are still not completely P400) are mostly recent thus likely big enough.

(P400/C80 are technically different definitions, but basically equivalent, while the equivalent of C45 is roughly P385)



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Old April 3rd, 2014, 03:36 PM   #348
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Do you think this is more of a presentation of an idealistic wish-list rather than something that has a real chance of happening?

As you say, the work necessary for the tunnels and so on will be significant and expensive.
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 11:57 PM   #349
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Lines north/east of Turin, Milan and Bologna either already have P80 loading gauge or the financing for works is already mostly assured (by Switzerland, in the case of Domodossola/Luino-Novara/Milano lines). Some lines in the triangle Turin-Milan-Trieste-Bologna will be quickly adapted as there are very few tunnels on them (two between Turin and Trieste+Turin's urban tunnel, one between Bologna and Venezia, one between Bologna and Milan).

The Adriatic line (Bologna-Bari-Calabria) has some tunnels, but the longest are recent thus likely already big enough, others are being enlarged or doubled (using the old double track tunnel with a single track with bigger loading gauge).

The problem as I said is the Bologna-Florence line, whose tunnels are likely around 35 km in total. An alternative for that might be building a new 15 km base tunnel for the Parma-La Spezia (aka Pontremolese line), which recently has been doubled on many parts with long tunnels (likely already P80, but on isolated sections of line).

Then there is the 27 km Third Giovi tunnel (Milano-Genova, + many km of branch and secondary tunnels), slowly under construction (maybe?), clearly big enough.

I doubt other tunnel routes will be enlarged, like La Spezia-Genova-Ventimiglia, where afaik even recent tunnels are P45 only - and that's hundreds of km underground.
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Interesting stuff though.

I wonder how difficult it will be to get the funding for these works.
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The problem as I said is the Bologna-Florence line, whose tunnels are likely around 35 km in total.
Couldn't they do something similar to what has been done for the Löthsberg mountain route: Clear only one track for P80.

Or maybe they intend to run freight trains on the high speed line at night...
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Or maybe they intend to run freight trains on the high speed line at night...
The Italian HS lines have been built to be freight-train capable. Would there be an issue of the level of track access fees?

It took ages to get freight trains running on HS1 in the UK and I seem to recall the main stumbling block was the track access fee issue.
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Or maybe they intend to run freight trains on the high speed line at night...
Italian HSLs have been designed as mixed traffic lines only for political reasons...it is unlikely we will see freight trains on them.
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Italian HSLs have been designed as mixed traffic lines only for political reasons...it is unlikely we will see freight trains on them.
They better run freight trains there, as the option to increase axle load on tracks and extra safety systems on tunnels increased costs of construction of the Firenze-Bologna-Milano sector by at least € 2,4 billion.
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Italian HSLs have been designed as mixed traffic lines only for political reasons...it is unlikely we will see freight trains on them.
No, but no trains actually need to run for RFI to be able to claim that they've increased the reach of the P80 profile in the Italian network...
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Just so that I'm clear, within the maps shown above and elsewhere, are any of those blue P/C80 lines actually the high-speed lines?

If so, which sections in particular?

Also, the press statement about the loading gauge enhancement looks to be quite serious and why bother, after all, to come up with the idea if there is no real prospect of anything happening?

A 4m-capable corridor down to Bari would be good, as it would cater for Greek and Turkish ro-ro trade as well as Italian trade.

I'm not sure that Gioia Tauro needs this enhancement though as the intermodal cargo coming and out of here is essentially shipping containers as oppose to continental, and therefore, piggyback trailer traffic.
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Just so that I'm clear, within the maps shown above and elsewhere, are any of those blue P/C80 lines actually the high-speed lines?
No, any of them are HSLs, but classic lines. Even the P45 section Florence-Rome is the old line, not the HSL (Direttissima).
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Italy could start a series of liberalizations also for railways. Italian Senate, infact has submitted a law decree, now passed at the Government. Among competitors, the Deutsche Bahn, aims to win the contract that will allow to move its trains along the peninsula. On April 16, 2014, the first offer is gone to Emilia Romagna Region. The German company, seems also determined to do a second offer to Veneto Region in 2016. According to some rumors this could be just the beginning, and soon other regions (such as Marche, Tuscany, Umbria, Piedmont, Abruzzo) will be added into the group.
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Some photos of the Direttissima Bologna-Florence whose maximum speed is around 180 km/h and was opened in 1934. It includes three major tunnels, 18.5, 7.2 and 3 km long. Inside the longest tunnel there is a station called "Precedenze" (which in Italian indicates the action to stop slower trains for overtakings). For a while it was open to the brave people who climbed the ~1800 steps to the surface, but now it cannot even be used for overtakings anymore (there are just some unmanned railway equipments). For around 50 years it has been the second longest rail tunnel in the world, the Simplon, which is however much deeper (~2145 m vs -I suppose- around 400-500 m).

http://www.rossimodelli.it/precedenze.html

http://corrierefiorentino.corriere.i...182830.shtml#1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologn...orence_railway

Precedenze entrance (two inclined shafts) are located somewhere enar this village: https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Castig...talia&t=p&z=15
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