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Old December 27th, 2009, 12:41 PM   #141
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Beautiful!

This station looks like original pennsylvania station in new york, newark penn station, grand central terminal, washington (DC) union station, 30th st station, reading terminal (philadelphia), and chicago union station.... It does not "feel" euro at all!

I mean look at those eagles, and the marble/limestone pillars...... Striking similarities!

Also, wow, hudson news??? That's insane! They are all over the train stations up near and around nyc!

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It's true...it's mainly insired to the defunct Penn Station

Hudson news is now owned by Autogrill (an italian company) and as far as I know it's the first shop in Italy
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Old December 27th, 2009, 09:37 PM   #142
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It's true...it's mainly insired to the defunct Penn Station

Hudson news is now owned by Autogrill (an italian company) and as far as I know it's the first shop in Italy
As far as I know, this station has been built in Mussolini times. It was mainly
inspired by his dreams of grandeur, and by the ancien roman times, which
his political regime was constantly making reference to. Given the state of
affairs between the axe (Germany/Italia/Japan) and the U.S.A. at this time,
I doubt very much that N.Y. Penn Station has been, even for a single bit, a
source of inspiration for Milano Centrale. And the eagles that are present
everywhere in the station are not, repeat not, a reference to the United
States (another nice example of american self-centrism), but well to the
Roman Empire, for which the eagle was a prominent symbol.
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Old December 28th, 2009, 01:09 AM   #143
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The design and the start of the building process took place before the regime.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 11:55 AM   #144
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As far as I know, this station has been built in Mussolini times. It was mainly
inspired by his dreams of grandeur, and by the ancien roman times, which
his political regime was constantly making reference to..
This is uncorrect: the project was of 1912 (before the First World War) but they started the construction many years later in 1927 after Fascists took the power... substantially the project remained the same: they pratically just added Fascist symbols in the station decoration (some of 'em still remain)
Infact the style ws not the regime 'official style' wich is more essential and rational but it is late 'liberty' (Italian art nouveau) inspired to American art deco

Some info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milano_...ailway_station
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Old December 30th, 2009, 02:51 PM   #145
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Nice renewal, but from a people-flow standpoint, this new design is much worse than the original one.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 03:44 PM   #146
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You're right, but by an economic point of view is (or should be) way better!
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Old December 30th, 2009, 11:17 PM   #147
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Nice renewal, but from a people-flow standpoint, this new design is much worse than the original one.
people said so at the beginning. Now that most accesses are opened (including elevators) nobody misses the old station. Really nobody. There are far better access points from all sides
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Old December 31st, 2009, 05:15 AM   #148
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I love this station and it is one of my favorite staions in the world. Good job..
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Old January 6th, 2010, 04:06 PM   #149
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wow, thats the most impressive station ive ever EVER seen
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Old January 6th, 2010, 04:16 PM   #150
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Was there this summer. The station looks nice, but there should be more excalaters, those long ones are so slow, you don't get anywhere.


And the are not enough Shops and Restaurands within the station.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 09:23 PM   #151
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Was there this summer. The station looks nice, but there should be more excalaters, those long ones are so slow, you don't get anywhere.


And the are not enough Shops and Restaurands within the station.
Last summer it was still deep into renovatin. tores and restaurants are beig fiished and opening soon. I guess it'll be around 120 stores. Don't know the figures about restaurants, though.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 04:52 PM   #152
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Pictures of the station just built and U/C

http://milanophotogallery.wordpress....ione-centrale/
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Old January 13th, 2010, 12:56 AM   #153
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It doesn't work: it's better this way http://milanophotogallery.wordpress....ione-centrale/
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Old January 13th, 2010, 04:19 AM   #154
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fine renovation indeed
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Old January 13th, 2011, 07:40 PM   #155
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The E.666.000, an incomplete prototype of a never built class of electric locomotive. It had to run coupled with a modified E.444 (in the background) because it lacked most of electrical equipment.

http://www_photorail_com/oldies/EPau...FI%20copia.jpg (copy and paste replacing the underscores with dots)

The E.492.004, one of 25 locomotives of classes E.491/E.492 built for a project of electrification in Sardinia with the 25 kV AC system. As they are pure AC locomotives they have never been used since their construction in the 80s, except some tests on a disused line electrified in AC, on some HSL lines around 2005 and in Hungary.

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Old January 19th, 2011, 09:19 AM   #156
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New HSR station of Roma Tiburtina U/C in Rome

This will be the station used by all trains that do not end their route in Rome but continue towards Naples and the south. Likely also most of the other trains will anyway stop here before reaching the final destination of Roma Termini


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Old April 12th, 2011, 04:50 PM   #157
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New fare scheme and creative pricing.

Trenitalia completely revamped their fare scheme. Now you have the fares BASE (normal), FLESSIBLE (flexible), A/R IN GIORNATA (day return) and MINI (discounted).

MINI fares are no longer a fixed discount applied to a given advance in purchase but, indeed, a whole category for every kind of discounted fare, up to 65% of the BASE price and additional restrictions on refund/change. They don't have any specific rule about how in advance should you buy them, or how big are discounts - it is like discounted fares on airlines, changing by the day/minute.

There is a "gotcha", though. For bureaucratic / administrative reasons, when Trenitalia sells a ticket that involves a connection with a train paid by regions (Regionale (R) or Regionale Veloce (RV), or another operator (Le Nord, SBB), it can't apply some discounts and may not offer the MINI fare.

I'll give you an example of a simulation I just did: Vernazza - Roma Termini 16/05. If you search for this sector, you'll find an option with Regionale up to La Spezia then Eurostar from La Spezia to Rome (there are other combinations). Quoting the whole sector gives you only a € 51,00 fare. However, you if "break" the search into 2 separate tickets (Vernazza-La Spezia and La Spezia-Roma), you can buy, for the same set of trains departing/arriving at the same time, La Spezia - Roma on the MINI fare for € 28,00 - and then you add the € 2,10 for the regional train Vernazza - La Spezia

The ultra-savvy / rail-geeks can find even lower fares in some new loopholes, like buying a Roma - Salerno ticket instead of a Roma - Napoli (where you actually want to disembark) on the same train, because it is cheaper with a MINI fare not offered only on the route to Napoli.

Would you spend time checking for beat-the-system-legally fares? Would you start searching more for lower fares or don't you have patience for that?

I totally love this move from Trenitalia, it is an important step to deconstruct the idea that a given journey has any "fixed price", hence training the costumer for further variance on fares, like airlines (you can't ever know "how much is a Roma - Milano flight" without checking a website or calling a travel agent).

Trenitalia has many problems, creative pricing is not one of them. Hopefully this will increase its revenue and make costumers less lazy and more advanced planners. Are you lazy enough not to check the price for Roma - Salerno Frecciarrosa when travelling to Napoli? Bad for you, you might pay more to travel less than a longer trip ticket on the same route At least, the lazy/dumb will pay for their laziness in the form or lost saving opportunities (higher fares)
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Old April 12th, 2011, 06:06 PM   #158
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Trenitalia has also problems on ticketing: many station don't have ticket vending machines nor ticket offices with employees, or have very few of them compared to the dimension of the city.

Just to compare two stations of the same line, but in two different nations:
* Monza station, Italy, 120.000 inhabitants, 1 TVM (+1 for regional trains often out of use) and 2 ticket offices sometimes closed, you can buy tickets to Lugano only at the ticket office if it is opened
* Lugano station, Switzerland, 100.000 inhabitants, 5 TVM and 3 to 7 ticket offices depending on the queue, you can buy tickets to Monza either at the ticket office or in any of the TVM (both for regional and EC trains)
(there are some direct trains linking them together)
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That is, indeed, a problem. Trenitalia vending machines work great for national services, but regional ticketing is lackluster sometimes and there is a lack of machines in smaller stations.

Regional ticketing machines only sell simple regional tickets (usually), and some smaller stations only have them, meaning you can't buy long distance tickets on such stations (that are usually un-staffed) and hence if you have a short connection on your route, yo need to depart early or arrive late to allow for extra time to buy tickets in the station you are connecting.
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Trenitalia has many problems, creative pricing is not one of them. Hopefully this will increase its revenue and make costumers less lazy and more advanced planners. Are you lazy enough not to check the price for Roma - Salerno Frecciarrosa when travelling to Napoli? Bad for you, you might pay more to travel less than a longer trip ticket on the same route At least, the lazy/dumb will pay for their laziness in the form or lost saving opportunities (higher fares)
I really find it odd that you are so much in favor of taxing the stupid...
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