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Old April 13th, 2011, 12:15 PM   #161
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I really find it odd that you are so much in favor of taxing the stupid...
It is not taxing. Train fares are not government taxes.
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Old June 7th, 2011, 12:22 PM   #162
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Strait of Messina ferry service: http://www.miol.it/stagniweb/Foto6.a...Righe=50&Col=5

List of boats: http://www.miol.it/stagniweb/ferry2.htm

All photos in two pages: http://www.miol.it/stagniweb/foto6.a...igheI=50&Col=5
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Old June 7th, 2011, 04:36 PM   #163
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Talking of Messina Strait... they continue with preliminary works on the bridge. Hopefully they will make groundbreaking of the actual pylons in 2012.
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Old June 7th, 2011, 07:48 PM   #164
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Is a 3.3 km bridge without intermediate pillars possible? I wonder...
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Old June 18th, 2011, 07:11 PM   #165
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The beautiful story of the railway CIVITAVECCHIA - ORTE in a video.
A railway in central Italy called "RAILWAY OF THE TWO SEAS"




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it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrovia_Civitavecchia-Orte
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Old June 20th, 2011, 12:17 AM   #166
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That is, indeed, a problem. Trenitalia vending machines work great for national services, but regional ticketing is lackluster sometimes and there is a lack of machines in smaller stations.
The biggest problem is that they rarely work. I once was at Monza station (not exactly a small station) where all five or six machines were broken and the counters were closed (obviously, Trenitalia staff needs a minimum lunch break of 2 hours).
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Old June 20th, 2011, 12:37 AM   #167
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That's normal. From 1997 until 2009 or so in all stations of Milan S-Bahn tunnel (except Garibaldi) there were absolutely no working machines nor counters. Also in Brescia most if not all machines are not working today.
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Old June 21st, 2011, 03:14 PM   #168
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Work in progress at Torino Porta Susa Station

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http://multimedia.lastampa.it/multim...no/lstp/55236/



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Old June 24th, 2011, 08:55 PM   #169
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If they are the solar panels, How much are the power kwatts of the photovoltaic panels?

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Old June 24th, 2011, 09:50 PM   #170
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Old June 25th, 2011, 12:56 AM   #171
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Old June 25th, 2011, 12:36 PM   #172
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Old June 25th, 2011, 07:58 PM   #173
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Old July 4th, 2011, 07:32 AM   #174
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Italy high-speed rail tunnel: Fresh clashes in Alps

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Police have again clashed with demonstrators in the Italian Alps over the construction of a new high-speed rail link with France.

At least 30 police and carabinieri officers were injured in the clashes in the Val di Susa area, west of Turin.

A protester and a tunnel worker were also hurt, police said.

Residents fear that, despite safeguards built into the multi-billion euro project, an area of outstanding natural beauty is going to be spoilt.

Five protesters were arrested during Sunday's clashes by the police, who were pelted with stones and other objects.

Police blamed the disruption on left-wing "black bloc" extremists from Italy and neighbouring countries, AFP news agency reported.

Despite environmental objections, the Italian government is determined to press ahead with the project, which is heavily backed by EU money and is estimated to cost 15bn euros (£13bn).

Tunnelling has begun for a line from Turin to Lyon, which is expected to cut the travel time by nearly half.

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Related pictures of the incident can be found on LA Repubblica websitehere:

If any of you also can understand Italian, you can watch the mother of all NIMBYs, a stupid, disgraceful, delusional young lady "appealing" to the riot police to support their cause "for the future of the valley" here. It's like she's living on 1968, and I wish she get sued and her professional life completely trashed forever for her nauseating role in organizing this attack on public and private property.

From numerous and politically broad Italian sources, it comes also the following:

(1) there were many foreign protesters from Spain and Germany, which will not suffer any impact from any tunnel excavation whatsoever, and English was a commonly heard language among those protesting at the police. Some of them are recognized troublemakers who have caused problems before in Italy, like in Genova.


(2) the protesters displayed paramilitary organization, staging an assault on the work site of the exploratory tunnel. A second, pacific protest was conducted elsewhere and went uneventful but for the usual disruption of traffic and commerce.

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(3) two days ago, the manager of one of the constructing firms had been assaulted when he was arriving at his house by two masked man, threatened and had an arm broken. Before such events, police had had to free him of an hostile crowd that broke in the work site.

(4) tear gas was used on the second-level of crowd management control, meaning it was thrown by the riot police at chest's height, not on the ground, so threatening was the crowd. One policeman is reported to be in critical condition



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They closed A32 couple before to protest the new rail link


I think this has just overstepped the boundaries of anything that is acceptable. They fight in the political arena, they fight on the notoriously slow Italian courts, those thugs lost they appeals and now are resorting to violence. To ambush a manager of a construction company in his house and beat him to the point of breaking his arm is almost terrorism.

I hope the next time the riot police make some arrests and use anti-terrorism laws against those rent-a-rioters coming from Spain, Germany and other countries. As much as I despise NIMBYs and mock them, I respect their right to say what they want and protest pacifically, but this was an overstep of all boundaries. Maybe live bullets will have to be used, like in Genova, turning delusional and mislead youngsters into corpses on autopsy bags. It is sad, and I hope it doesn't come to the point, but they are just escalating violence there.

For now, there will be heightened policing in the area. There is a nearby hydro power dam which, though totally unrelated to the project, is close the site, and of course it is a major concern if those thugs get there. If they insist on such tactics, the cost of the tunnel will be heightened with permanent policing, like there are extra policing in some A3 (highway) works in Calabria - there, because of some mafiosi threats.

They just don't want the high-speed line, which will run on a massive base tunnel. Their allegations is that people are already consuming too much and travelling too much and that "people are living in houses full of stuff and void of life". Typical extremist university student-level crap.
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That are stupid idiots and nothing more
I understand it if people protest against something with banners and so on, but that

These people don't care about the project and only want to make some problems and fight against the police.
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Old July 4th, 2011, 10:47 PM   #176
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I don't think they have a coherent ideology, rather traveling around and starting violent riots has become a kind of ****ed up hobby for sociopaths. Nowadays anyone trying to organize a legitimate protest has to worry about the event going bad because these people are intent on ruining it.

Oh well, this tunnel will be built whether they like it or not.

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Old July 5th, 2011, 11:49 AM   #177
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This kind of manifestations easily attracts violent people only in search of fight with police and something to vandalize. In this case it seems that also around 300 violent people from outside Italy joined the local vandals.

The manifestation of local citizens was more calm and non violent.
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Old July 5th, 2011, 04:37 PM   #178
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why dont these morons move to the infrastructure-free paradise of haiti or somalia
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Old July 6th, 2011, 12:24 AM   #179
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This tunnel at the moment is useless. It costs 22 Bilions of €, too much if we look at the cost benefit ratio.

Italy needs improvements in Urban Mobility e Commuters transport in Medium and Big Cities.

We don't want neither the Tunnel nor the Bridge on the Strait of Messina at the moment.

VAL DI SUSA WILL FIGHT FOREVER TILL THE END, NO MATTER THE COST!

If necessary, Civil War.
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Old July 6th, 2011, 06:20 AM   #180
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This tunnel at the moment is useless. It costs 22 Bilions of €, too much if we look at the cost benefit ratio.

Italy needs improvements in Urban Mobility e Commuters transport in Medium and Big Cities.

We don't want neither the Tunnel nor the Bridge on the Strait of Messina at the moment.
Those projects are not comparable. Messina Strait bridge or HSR lines serve different purposes than an urban tramway in Firenze or a light metro in Brescia.


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What an exaggerated and patronizing comment. First, I doubt normal people who have normal lives there are willing to fight "no matter the cost". There are channels to discuss a project such as this, the courts, CIPE... And in a democracy, sometimes you lose, sometimes your grievances are found unsubstantiated. Now imagine if everyone who disagrees with a certain project is willing to wage Civil War

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Art. 286. [Guerra civile] Chiunque commette un fatto diretto a suscitare la guerra civile nel territorio dello Stato, è punito con l'ergastolo.
I don't think honest people living in the valley, even if dissatisfied with the works, want to risk criminal prosecution risking life imprisonment to protest a train line.
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