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Old February 18th, 2010, 04:28 PM   #101
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Old February 18th, 2010, 08:49 PM   #102
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Can the KTX-II seats change directions? I thought it was stupid the way the KTX seats are oriented - half facing forward and the other half of the car facing the other way. They weren't movable either.
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Old February 18th, 2010, 08:52 PM   #103
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Has Korea stopped closing small stations? Several years ago they started closing small stations a couple times a year. I would think there's none left to close by now. I don't understand why they didn't just make those flag stops because what are the old ladies and farmers supposed to do? The only other way is to take several buses. Maybe Korea has never heard of flag stops; I didn't until after I came back to the USA.
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Old February 19th, 2010, 12:03 PM   #104
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Can the KTX-II seats change directions? I thought it was stupid the way the KTX seats are oriented - half facing forward and the other half of the car facing the other way. They weren't movable either.
Yes, you can change directions of a seat.

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Has Korea stopped closing small stations? Several years ago they started closing small stations a couple times a year. I would think there's none left to close by now. I don't understand why they didn't just make those flag stops because what are the old ladies and farmers supposed to do? The only other way is to take several buses. Maybe Korea has never heard of flag stops; I didn't until after I came back to the USA.
The fate of small stations are not bright, I think even worse than before, now that many conventional lines are double-tracked and electrified to speed up trains. It means trains just have to pass through small and almost-none-ridership stations more and more.

Anyway most of local governments are always struggling to save stations in their area, but they can't simply claim that Korail should keep train services on where the ridership is extremly low. So in most cases local government solve this problem with the easy solution; giving subsidies on bus companies to serve remote areas where train services are shut down.( and on the contrary it's not a rare case that train services are terminated by the growing bus services and car ownerships.)
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Old February 19th, 2010, 12:19 PM   #105
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KOREA HIGH-SPEED RAIL PLANS

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Gyeongbu HSR (Dedicated Track)
  • Route : Gwangmyeong <--> Busan
  • Total Budget : 18조4358억원 (about 16 billion dollars)
  • Track Length : 417.3 km (Phase 1 : 293.1km , Phase 2 : 124.2 km)
  • Phase 1 (~2004) : Gwangmyeong <--> Dong-daegu
    Phase 2 (~2010) : Dong-daegu <--> Busan

Honam HSR (Dedicated Track)
  • Route : Osong <--> Mokpo
  • Total Budget : 11조2720억원 ( about 10 billion dollars)
  • Track Length : 230.9 km (Phase 1 : 182.3 km, Phase 2 : 48.6 km)
  • Phase 1 (~2014) : Osong <--> Gwangju-Songjeong
    Phase 2 (~2017) : Gwangju-Songjeong <--> Mokpo

Suseo HSR (Dedicated Track)
  • Route : Suseo <--> Connected to Gyeongbu HSR at Pyeongtaek
  • Total Budget : 3조7천2백31억원 ( about 3.2 billion dollars )
  • Construction Period : 2011~2014
  • Track Length : 61.08 km
Suseo HSR via Gyeongbu HSR is to tackle a bottleneck on the Seoul-Siheung section. The already over-burdened section, which are shared with all kind of trains from various lines, is expected to be worsened when Honam HSR 1st phase opens on 2014. In result government decided to build Suseo HSR, in time for Honam HSR 1st phase openning, to relieve the Seoul-Siheung conjestion. Suseo HSR, mostly built underground, will also cut KTX journey time through a dedicated high-speed underground track.

KTX service to Jinju (Conventional Track)

This is the extension of KTX service to Masan, Changwon, and Jinju via Gyeongjeon Line. For this, Gyeongjeon Line between Masan and Jinju are now being upgraded to double electrified track. According to Korail, KTX to Masan, Changwon will begin on 2011, and KTX to Jinju on 2012.

KTX service to Yeosu (Conventional Track)

This is the extension of KTX service to Yeosu via Iksan, using conventional track on Jeolla Line. Jeolla Line(Iksan to Yeosu), single non-electified track (up to 120 km/h), is now being upgraded to double electrified track (up to 180km/h). KTX service will begin on 2011 April, one year before 2012 YEOSU EXPO, and will cut Seoul-Yeosu travel time to three hours 13 minutes from five hours 13 minitues. Furthermore rail passengers would be able to get to Yeosu in two hours and 25 minutes when Honam HSR opens on 2014.

KTX service to Pohang (Conventional Track)

This project is to give a direct link to Pohang, with a junction at Gyeongbu HSR between Dong-Daegu and Shin-Gyeonju. Construction of the 7.5 km direct track diverging from Gyeongbu HSR would begin this year, but KTX service would not be available until Donghae Nambu Line between Ulsan and Pohang, scheduled to be completed by 2014, is finished and connected to the 7.5 km direct track. The current five hours travel time from Seoul to Pohang will be cut to one hours 50 minutes when the construction is done.

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Old February 20th, 2010, 07:20 AM   #106
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Those HSR lines will move people a lot faster during the holidays. I remember on holidays when the train was so full the aisles were packed from people heading home.

There must be huge demand for them to build a dedicated line to Suseo instead of making people take the subway from Gwangmyeong or Seoul.
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Old February 21st, 2010, 11:06 PM   #107
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The last NDC train was retired.

The last NDC(New Diesel Car) trains were retired last week, as it reached the persisting period of 20 years. First NDC trains were debuted in 1985 and total 35 trainset were produced. Korail is considering to preserve a train as historical sources.

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Old February 22nd, 2010, 01:38 PM   #108
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Why does Korail withdraw trains after only twenty years?
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 04:12 PM   #109
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Wow north east asian countries is rail crazy!
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 05:57 PM   #110
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Why does Korail withdraw trains after only twenty years?
By Korean Railway Safety Law, every train has their own lifetime(or endurance term), so you can't use the train past its designed lifetime, even though you can extend the period by up to five years after safety inspection.

Train Lifetime
  • High speed train : 30 years
  • Diesel Locomotive : 25 years
  • Diesel Multiple Unit : 20 years
  • Electric Locomotive : 30 years
  • Electric Multiple Unit : 25 years
    The lifetime of electric multiple unit train in urban transit is decided, regardless of this regulation, by production specification submitted by train manufacturer, according to Urban Transit Safety Law. By this law, operators of urban transit can also extend the period by up to fifteen years after safety inspections.
  • Passenger Car : 25 years
  • Freight Car : 30 years ( feright car carrying chemicals, 25 years )


Above train is Diesel Multiple Unit type, so the lifetime is 20 years.
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Old February 27th, 2010, 02:08 AM   #111
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Korail decided to name KTX-II as KTX-산천 (KTX-Sancheon)

Korail announced yesterday that they named KTX-II KTX-산천. 산천(sancheon, 山川 in hanja) means mountains and streams literally but also means nature generally. It seems that it's also partly derived from 산천어(cherry salmon), which is said to be a motive in KTX-II design.
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Old February 27th, 2010, 02:15 AM   #112
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Old March 1st, 2010, 06:00 PM   #113
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Old March 1st, 2010, 06:02 PM   #114
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KTX from Seoul to Busan

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Old March 2nd, 2010, 03:53 PM   #115
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KTX-II (KTX-Sancheon) began commercial operation today

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Old March 2nd, 2010, 10:42 PM   #116
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Very nice, there is some possibility I could take this train this summer if I'm lucky
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Old March 3rd, 2010, 01:41 PM   #117
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Nice but too expensive for me
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This picture is awesome.
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