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Old October 12th, 2009, 08:01 PM   #81
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It's a great tower. Good compromise between modern and classic.
Also, i see they're renovating the Helmsley. Great
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Old October 12th, 2009, 09:55 PM   #82
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Nice addition to the skyline, but it blocks the view to the Empire State Building...
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Old October 12th, 2009, 11:02 PM   #83
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Nice addition to the skyline, but it blocks the view to the Empire State Building...
it's above time that the ESB gets some tall neighbours. it would more than a shame if the ESB stands alone for the next years... every city has to grow .
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Old October 12th, 2009, 11:25 PM   #84
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I disagree. Most of the buildings near the ESB are very beautiful, pre-WWII structures. It would be sad to see them torn down. There are enough places to build skyscrapers elsewhere in NY.
why? sooner or later there has to be a (skyscraper)connection between midtown and lower manhattan! it's a natural process.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 01:49 AM   #85
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why? sooner or later there has to be a (skyscraper)connection between midtown and lower manhattan! it's a natural process.
Never. Those are actual neighborhoods between Midtown and Downtown.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 09:28 AM   #86
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Never. The area between Midtown and Lower Manhattan is a sea of pre-WWII masterpieces. Just as skyscrapers never will be built around the Louvre or the Arc de Triomph, I hope that they are never built in this area of NY.
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Never. Those are actual neighborhoods between Midtown and Downtown.
ok, i think you made it clear. but nevertheless it would be could cool, if there was a constant connection. but that's OT.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 09:59 AM   #87
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ok, i think you made it clear. but nevertheless it would be could cool, if there was a constant connection. but that's OT.
The famous Manhattan Bedrock isn't really at the surface in the are between Downtown and Midtown, so to dig to get to the bedrock to anchor tall buildings, it would be expensive and companies and people don't wanna do that.

That is why the buildings have been downtown and in midtown cause the bedrock is at the surface there, and can support taller buildings easier.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 10:18 AM   #88
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The famous Manhattan Bedrock isn't really at the surface in the are between Downtown and Midtown, so to dig to get to the bedrock to anchor tall buildings, it would be expensive and companies and people don't wanna do that.

That is why the buildings have been downtown and in midtown cause the bedrock is at the surface there, and can support taller buildings easier.
interesting information, didn't know that before. thx.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 05:53 PM   #89
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There are lots of amazing historical buildings in this area. Tear them down and I'll tear you down!
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Old October 14th, 2009, 01:19 AM   #90
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Never. The area between Midtown and Lower Manhattan is a sea of pre-WWII masterpieces. Just as skyscrapers never will be built around the Louvre or the Arc de Triomph, I hope that they are never built in this area of NY.
Actually, the reason is more about soil conditions, but yes the section between midtown and downtown are very nice beautiful old neighborhoods.

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Old October 14th, 2009, 05:28 AM   #91
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Im in the same boat i like the two different skylines, hell when ur driving its still basically a canyon anyways because although the buildings arent as big their still like 20 stories on both sides of the street and in a car u cant see higher than that when their right next to you. Also in midtown your almost boxed in by highrises and you cant even see some huge buildings that are like one street over because of all of the other tall buildings around you and it makes you realize that having some space between then actually makes the views better.
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Old October 14th, 2009, 12:01 PM   #92
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Areas like this, which lie between Midtown and Lower Manhattan, should never be compromised.

That's right - even Manhattan needs different looking areas (not just skyscrapers), thats what makes it interesting and special
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Those areas make NY unique, unlike other US cities (excluding Boston, Philly and DC), which, for the most part, are all new.
and that's why i love new york. i have to admit that the last pics are really beautiful. nevertheless some skyscrapers can join this neighbourhood, they would have to be nice of course, just to fit in well.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 12:08 AM   #94
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Those areas make NY unique, unlike other US cities (excluding Boston, Philly and DC), which, for the most part, are all new.
Haven't been to much of the US, have you...?
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Old October 15th, 2009, 01:18 AM   #95
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and that's why i love new york. i have to admit that the last pics are really beautiful. nevertheless some skyscrapers can join this neighbourhood, they would have to be nice of course, just to fit in well.
i actually, as a new yorker, think that the city is overbuilt. while some developments are great, i think most of what has been built post 1995 is not particularly inspiring. i love the neighborhoods south of midtown (the greenwhich/ west village, tribeca, soho, etc) and would never want skyscrapers to ruin the rows of renovated brownstones and warehouses. also, there is virtually no room to build. every parking lot, gas station, etc has been built upon. the city, however has dealt with this in the past, and has ruined some beautiful spaces to build skyscrapers/ new things (penn station, B Q E). that said, to remain relevent in the architectual world, it is important for nyc to keep building.
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Those areas make NY unique, unlike other US cities (excluding Boston, Philly and DC), which, for the most part, are all new.
I'm guessing you haven't been to San Francisco, Chicago, Rochester, Pittsburgh, Detroit (some of the neoclassical buildings here are probably some of the best I've ever seen), New Orleans (just love the french area).

Yes , you have definitely not been around that much in the US if you say that...
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Old October 15th, 2009, 03:07 AM   #97
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Right on. Many US cities have unique classic neighborhoods. US doesn't have a long history but what it has is well preserved.

New York City though, usually has more to offer than other cities because it simply is the largest.

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I'm guessing you haven't been to San Francisco, Chicago, Rochester, Pittsburgh, Detroit (some of the neoclassical buildings here are probably some of the best I've ever seen), New Orleans (just love the french area).

Yes , you have definitely not been around that much in the US if you say that...
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Old October 15th, 2009, 11:36 AM   #98
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that said, to remain relevent in the architectual world, it is important for nyc to keep building.
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Old October 16th, 2009, 02:27 AM   #99
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exactly.
we need to keep building, but that doesnt mean we should compromise what we already have.
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There is very little space to build in manhattan, but there is an untold amount of development possibility in the other boroughs.
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