Fort Bonifacio

[Retro]

Originally Posted by RonnieR

Yes, this is true. A BRT will soon be introduced in BGC to Buendia and Ayala Avenue...based on my source, Ayalas got consultants for this. There will be exclusive bus lanes from BGC to Makati's Buendia and Ayala.

So this mean once all those open parking in nearby Crescent Park will be gone since future public parking might be relocate in nearby entrance and exit point of Ft. Boni. to give way for this BRT project. Ewan ko lang if the current office lease tenants would agree to this idea since majority of BGC relocator come from different city outside Taguig area. Most office worker here at E-Zone bring their own car. It would be a big hassle to drop-off your car sa public bldg. car park then take a bus ride to your work place. Dobleng gastos and inconvenience.

[sloanesquare]

Originally Posted by RonnieR

Yes, this is true. A BRT will soon be introduced in BGC to Buendia and Ayala Avenue...based on my source, Ayalas got consultants for this. There will be exclusive bus lanes from BGC to Makati's Buendia and Ayala.

filipinos cant even walk to their cars located in the carpark..they have the drivers move the cars to them which explains why a lot of effort and money is placed at making attractive covered entrances from malls to hospitals to churches. (exception of course for hotels)

all of this starts from childhood..look at the number of brats at collegio san agustin who are picked up inside the school grounds instead of walking one block away and getting the driver to pick them up there..that makes unnecessary traffic along palm avenue..ditto at la salle zobel alabang, woodrose alabang.

there are only 5m cars in the whole country. there are possibly 20M households. so the public transport is for those who dont own at least 1 car in the household...

if my interpretation of what BGC offers is correct, eveything to be consumed at the Fort can only be afforded by households who can afford cars.

Then go back to my first paragraph....and these are the people that you think will avail of the BRT?

[Christian_123]

Originally Posted by pi_malejana

wow, medyo may kasikipan pala ang mga daan sa Fort Bonifacio...
may mga area ba na mas maluwag jan??
in a few years' time, siguro magiging traffic na rin sa ibang parts jan...

Pag nagtraffic ng todo sa BGC; I'm pretty sure the wide sidewalks will eventually disappear just like what happened to Ortigas Center's sidewalks.

Originally Posted by RonnieR

Yes, this is true. A BRT will soon be introduced in BGC to Buendia and Ayala Avenue...based on my source, Ayalas got consultants for this. There will be exclusive bus lanes from BGC to Makati's Buendia and Ayala.

Actually, the taguig government already built a bus station in Tuktukan having a route of Tuktukan-BGC-Buendia-Ayala Avenue and back. It works as a suppliment for the BGC buses that ply-thru BGC..


Oh yeah, on a sidenote.... Jeepneys are now invading Fort Bonifacio....Dumadami na ang mga jeep sa loob ng BGC. Talk about "World class"

[pi_malejana]

Originally Posted by sloanesquare

filipinos cant even walk to their cars located in the carpark..they have the drivers move the cars to them which explains why a lot of effort and money is placed at making attractive covered entrances from malls to hospitals to churches. (exception of course for hotels)

all of this starts from childhood..look at the number of brats at collegio san agustin who are picked up inside the school grounds instead of walking one block away and getting the driver to pick them up there..that makes unnecessary traffic along palm avenue..ditto at la salle zobel alabang, woodrose alabang.

there are only 5m cars in the whole country. there are possibly 20M households. so the public transport is for those who dont own at least 1 car in the household...

if my interpretation of what BGC offers is correct, eveything to be consumed at the Fort can only be afforded by households who can afford cars.

Then go back to my first paragraph....and these are the people that you think will avail of the BRT?

i concur...

Originally Posted by Christian_123

Pag nagtraffic ng todo sa BGC; I'm pretty sure the wide sidewalks will eventually disappear just like what happened to Ortigas Center's sidewalks.




Actually, the taguig government already built a bus station in Tuktukan having a route of Tuktukan-BGC-Buendia-Ayala Avenue and back. It works as a suppliment for the BGC buses that ply-thru BGC..


Oh yeah, on a sidenote.... Jeepneys are now invading Fort Bonifacio....Dumadami na ang mga jeep sa loob ng BGC. Talk about "World class"

kung tutuusin may mali ng konti sa planning ng BGC ano?? imagine kung tanggalin ang sidewalks eh di pano pa matatawag na 1st world... kung magdadag-dag pa ng BRT, dedicated lanes ba yan--kakain na naman ng isang lane... the best way would be to implement one-way traffic...

[sloanesquare]

the traffic in the picture above is a function of 5th Avenue being closed from Boni High Street to 32nd street..but the discussion is still valid

[michael677]

Originally Posted by Christian_123

Oh yeah, on a sidenote.... Jeepneys are now invading Fort Bonifacio....Dumadami na ang mga jeep sa loob ng BGC. Talk about "World class"

try going to market market, use the road separating it from Serendra. you might think you're in recto or taft avenue sa ingay ng mga busina ng mga jeep!!!!! dapat din dun bawal mag U turn. it is one major cause of frustration and non stop honking of cars especially rush hour! magulo tlga sa area na to. what a shame!

[Christian_123]

Originally Posted by pi_malejana

kung tutuusin may mali ng konti sa planning ng BGC ano?? imagine kung tanggalin ang sidewalks eh di pano pa matatawag na 1st world... kung magdadag-dag pa ng BRT, dedicated lanes ba yan--kakain na naman ng isang lane... the best way would be to implement one-way traffic...

Mula ng ginawang grid ang road layout ng BGC, the traffic got seriously horrible inside BGC....The grid also defeated the "pedestrian friendly" plan of BGC...The old circular layout was fine to begin with and it was promoting the "pedestrian friendly" plan because the longer routes discourages car use. Not sure what Ayala was smoking when they decided to change the already built circular roads into a grid based one...

Ngayon, they are planning on adding a BRT sytem. Ang tanong nalang, san nila isasalpak ang mga bus at un dedicaded bus lane? Alam natin na ang sisikip ng mga kalsada sa BGC...

Originally Posted by michael677

try going to market market, use the road separating it from Serendra. you might think you're in recto or taft avenue sa ingay ng mga busina ng mga jeep!!!!! dapat din dun bawal mag U turn. it is one major cause of frustration and non stop honking of cars especially rush hour! magulo tlga sa area na to. what a shame!

You said it, Parang nasa taft o kaya recto ka sa sobrang ingay ng mga jeep !

Kaso, i sometimes find the horn creating a musical sound.

[[dx]]

Nice Fort Bonifacio banner for today. Congrats @shyaman!

[otsootso]

It seems that BGC’s road standards were not made to encourage the use personal vehicles - wider roads just encourage even more motor vehicle use. In this ‘green’ environmentally concious age, the focus of CBDs througout the world is to provide convenient access to mass transportation as well as encourage pedestrian traffic. It translates to cleaner air, less impact on the environment and reduced oil consumption or demand for parking spaces, as well as a healthier public - it’s all about sustainability.

I think that what makes CBDs like Manhattan or Hong Kong really interesting is their pedestrian traffic – you see people everywhere, walking on the sidewalks or using mass trasportation like subways and buses – of course you also have taxi cabs and some private cars too which add to the whole urban atmosphere, but densely populated and compact as these CBDs are, traffic is not a major issue - just my two cents.

[--SuperB0y--]

Originally Posted by RonnieR

Yes, this is true. A BRT will soon be introduced in BGC to Buendia and Ayala Avenue...based on my source, Ayalas got consultants for this. There will be exclusive bus lanes from BGC to Makati's Buendia and Ayala.

when will this start?

[missionary]

brt?

[sloanesquare]

Originally Posted by michael677

try going to market market, use the road separating it from Serendra. you might think you're in recto or taft avenue sa ingay ng mga busina ng mga jeep!!!!! dapat din dun bawal mag U turn. it is one major cause of frustration and non stop honking of cars especially rush hour! magulo tlga sa area na to. what a shame!

so having observed this, do residents who bought on this side of Serendra still believe that they live on the "exclusive" oasis of 30:70 (greenery)?..or were the apartments on this Recto side priced at 50% discount to the ones facing the pool and gardens to compensate

[shyaman]

SSC banner today. Gawa ko .

Originally Posted by davaob4now

advance kasi ng 2 hours ang time zone na kina lalagyan ko...kay ito
banner September 10, 2009

Thanks ekspi and dex.

[RonnieR]

great banner - The Fort, a growing district....

[RonnieR]

Originally Posted by Christian_123

Mula ng ginawang grid ang road layout ng BGC, the traffic got seriously horrible inside BGC....The grid also defeated the "pedestrian friendly" plan of BGC...The old circular layout was fine to begin with and it was promoting the "pedestrian friendly" plan because the longer routes discourages car use. Not sure what Ayala was smoking when they decided to change the already built circular roads into a grid based one...

Ngayon, they are planning on adding a BRT sytem. Ang tanong nalang, san nila isasalpak ang mga bus at un dedicaded bus lane? Alam natin na ang sisikip ng mga kalsada sa BGC...





You said it, Parang nasa taft o kaya recto ka sa sobrang ingay ng mga jeep !

Kaso, i sometimes find the horn creating a musical sound.

Originally Posted by michael677

try going to market market, use the road separating it from Serendra. you might think you're in recto or taft avenue sa ingay ng mga busina ng mga jeep!!!!! dapat din dun bawal mag U turn. it is one major cause of frustration and non stop honking of cars especially rush hour! magulo tlga sa area na to. what a shame!

As I said, I always go to BGC, pass this area almost everyday. I think it's too much or an exaggeration to say that maiingay ang mga jeeps....I didn't hear them honking at all....they are the disciplined bunch compared to those in Taft. This is not an overstatement.

[RonnieR]

Originally Posted by --SuperB0y--

when will this start?

No details yet. My source does not divulge.

Originally Posted by missionary

brt?

Bus Rapid Transit

[sloanesquare]

Originally Posted by RonnieR

As I said, I always go to BGC, pass this area almost everyday. I think it's too much or an exaggeration to say that maiingay ang mga jeeps....I didn't hear them honking at all....they are the disciplined bunch compared to those in Taft. This is not an overstatement.

actually honking is not the problem..its the fact that they either have no muffler or have holes in their muffler and the fact that they blow black smoke and pass by our apathetic Marshalls unperturbed.....i encourage you to stand for one hour..and then re-write your observation if you find your first comment inaccurate....even when the serendra windows are closed the sound booms in.....you can include the motorcycles in the decibel meter.

we are talking about telling users of BGC, follow our rules or get out since we paid a lot of money to have our 1st world enclave...and while im ranting, its about saying enough to pwede na as your comparison with Taft Avenue implies

consider this: the jeepney issue in taft or aurora blvd or recto or the issue of garbage in Manila Bay all started as minor irritants from an undisciplined people many decades ago...today we see the results of not stopping it then...it was a pwede na irritant then.......

[RonnieR]

Originally Posted by sloanesquare

actually honking is not the problem..its the fact that they either have no muffler or have holes in their muffler and the fact that they blow black smoke and pass by our apathetic Marshalls unperturbed.....i encourage you to stand for one hour..and then re-write your observation if you find your first comment inaccurate....even when the serendra windows are closed the sound booms in.....you can include the motorcycles in the decibel meter.

we are talking about telling users of BGC, follow our rules or get out since we paid a lot of money to have our 1st world enclave...and while im ranting, its about saying enough to pwede na as your comparison with Taft Avenue implies

consider this: the jeepney issue in taft or aurora blvd or recto or the issue of garbage in Manila Bay all started as minor irritants from an undisciplined people many decades ago...today we see the results of not stopping it then...it was a pwede na irritant then.......

I commented on the issue of honking as per christian and michael...I am with you on the banning of jeepneys inside the Fort. The Fort buses and bus stops are really good and modern just like in Singapore.

[sloanesquare]

Originally Posted by RonnieR

I commented on the issue of honking as per christian and michael...I am with you on the banning of jeepneys inside the Fort. The Fort buses and bus stops are really good and modern just like in Singapore.

i will still condone jeepneys in the Fort but they should be road worthy and not noisy and dirty corroding metal boxes (in other words SAFE) and the drivers should stop using their poverty and the fact that they barely make ends meet as an excuse for their incredible driving style.....my crocodile tears for such stories ended a very long time ago when footpath and overhead pedestrian walkway vendors started using this excuse

[RonnieR]

Originally Posted by sloanesquare

i will still condone jeepneys in the Fort but they should be road worthy and not noisy and dirty corroding metal boxes (in other words SAFE) and the drivers should stop using their poverty and the fact that they barely make ends meet as an excuse for their incredible driving style.....my crocodile tears for such stories ended a very long time ago when footpath and overhead pedestrian walkway vendors started using this excuse

I want them out