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[Arul Murugan]

Originally Posted by Anniyan

Is this not relevant to this topic?

The temple is in the middle of the road causing serious danger.

I am 100% sure it is not under ASI. If it was under ASI, they wouldnt have allowed the road to pass through the temple at all.

ECR in 2003!! Other side is not even used as road. This picture clearly shows the road was just 2 lane then, when they made 4 lane, the road was constructed other side.

[dis.agree]

Originally Posted by Arul Murugan

ECR in 2003!! Other side is not even used as road. This picture clearly shows the road was just 2 lane then, when they made 4 lane, the road was constructed other side.

what is your point? it is right now bang in the middle of an important road with little alternatives. it definitely disturbs traffic and i agree with anniyan, can cause accidents. marundeeswarar temple is to the left of this ecr road if you are travelling south and i am not sure if this structure is part of it. when residences of people who are currently living can be taken over and demolished why not this insignificant structure?

[Arul Murugan]

If you read whats the problem in Thriuvanmiyur bus terminus, now you will not jump to demolish the temple. That structure was not built yesterday FYKI to demolish as you like to build the infrastructure.

And without knowing the real problem where is the traffic congestion don't go to demolish the temple. I have already pointed out where is the problem in this part of Thiruvamiyur. Even if you demolish the temple nothing is going to solve the problem what Thiruvamiyur is facing now.

And it is 90 degree bend there in the road which is the real dangerous those who booze and drive the car in the night at high speed and not for those who have traffic sense and drive the car.

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And if you have time read this.....

THIRUVANMIYUR: A temple for Valmiki

The Valmiki temple in Thiruvanmiyur, which is steeped in legend, is believed to be at least 1,300 years old.


BE IT a huge edifice in the centre of the road or just a small elevation beneath a tree, temples have always had special significance in Chennai.

And the Valmiki temple, sitting bang in the middle of East Coast Road in Valmiki Nagar is no exception.

Legend has it that poet Valmiki, after writing the Ramayana, was heading south along the sea shore and rested here.

Hence, the area is called Thiruvanmiyur. Although the temple looks like a mandapam, it is believed to be at least 1,300 years old.

During the Chola reign, the Maruntheeshwarar temple was constructed. Now the Valmiki temple is officially under the supervision of Maruntheeshwarar temple. But the Valmiki temple has been under threat from the development of ECR. The government planned to demolish the temple as it is in the centre of the road.

"The temple authorities have managed to get a stay order on the demolition.

Now attempts are being made to widen the road around the temple, so that it will serve as a median and not be an inconvenience," says Kuppuswamy, an officer at the Maruntheeshwarar temple.

Every year the Brahmatosav festival takes place in March and special pooja is done every month on the full moon day.

http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/mp/...2300110300.htm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...w/26487623.cms

HC has stayed long back not to demolish the temple considering its heritage importance. Please go for another try!

[natarajan1986]

great reply

[jaish]

Originally Posted by kannan infratech

Guys!

Please identify a few particular issues and collect opinions and ideas to improve etc on the same.

General issues which are common to all the roads / transporatation will be a too big a project to concentrate.

Unless we take small steps initially and achieving the goals therein, we will lose the momentum.

All the best

To Improve the traffic condition i feel we have to do the following things.

1|) Lanes should be made with respect to speed ( fast lane, Slow lane) not by type of vehicle ( Bus lane, Car lane, Two wheeler lane)

2) RTO should be very strict while issuing driving license. Abiding by the lane rules should be major criteria in issuing the license.

3) Parking bays should be made in all the roads wherein only vehicles like auto rickshaw should pick the people.

I know very well making this very difficult. But i feel with out making above mentioned things we can never improve our traffic conditions and can give good perception about our city once any outsider lands in our city.

[dis.agree]

Originally Posted by Arul Murugan

If you read whats the problem in Thriuvanmiyur bus terminus, now you will not jump to demolish the temple. That structure was not built yesterday FYKI to demolish as you like to build the infrastructure.

And without knowing the real problem where is the traffic congestion don't go to demolish the temple. I have already pointed out where is the problem in this part of Thiruvamiyur. Even if you demolish the temple nothing is going to solve the problem what Thiruvamiyur is facing now.

And it is 90 degree bend there in the road which is the real dangerous those who booze and drive the car in the night at high speed and not for those who have traffic sense and drive the car.

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And if you have time read this.....



http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/mp/...2300110300.htm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...w/26487623.cms

HC has stayed long back not to demolish the temple considering its heritage importance. Please go for another try!

i am aware of these details. my chennai home is in valmiki nagar. i agree thiruvanmiyur bus stand is a mess. it needs to be solved. i think a simple solution is to post a policeman there to direct the traffic. when this is solved, it would worsen the part where you have this structure in place which even now is bad inspite of bottleneck at bus stand. widening that stretch would not be easy because it is heavily built and simplest solution is to demolish this structure.

[dis.agree]

Originally Posted by Arul Murugan

HC has stayed long back not to demolish the temple considering its heritage importance. Please go for another try!

yes, we should try again with hc to get this demolished.

it looks unlikely that coastal elevated road would be built. but if it does, it would either mean demolition of my apartment or a ugly concrete structure right over the beach that obstructs my sea view. this is fine so long i am rightly compensated. but i would be pissed if this were allowed by hc but not demolition of this structure because i am sure my apartment is more valuable in terms of tax money to government than what this structure would generate now or ever.

[gvijayan]

The temple indeed is a real trouble maker on the road. In fact, that was my next point if the traffic pattern I gave is going to be implemented(which I am not very sure if will happen anytime). Two land on each suddenly becomes single lane at this place.

Government should either try demolishing some of the shops on their side, or the temple.

Arul, here is the picture uploaded on tinypic:
[img]http://i32.************/2nlwyrl.jpg[/img]

[Arul Murugan]

Nothing to worry much. Even if the government is not pulling the apartments for elevated corridors, it will be pulled down automatically after 60 years because of its life.

And our gvt engines are very slow, even after 50 years I doubt the elevated corridor will touch Valmiki nagar. Just imagine elevated MRTS was planned for in late 1970, but even now it is not completed. So lot of time is there to relocate your apartments.

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Say if the temple is demolished, we can see just one or two MTC going to occupy that place and nothing serious change will happen. Since you want to demolish the temple, your suggestions on engaging a traffic police man to control MTC, and traffic in that mess area is so funny. I am sure even the temple demolish and traffic police man is not the solution there. It cannot even provide 2% solution for the existing problem.

[gvijayan]

Arul,

In the above pattern, we are talking about diverting only the MTC buses which take right turn into the terminus, which causes the whole problem.

But the suggestion you gave (which in fact was the traffic pattern some few years ago) is to divert all the traffic from ECR into the 22nd st, and South Avenue. Diverting such a heavy traffic will definitely not be a good idea and it will receive stiff opposition from the public as it has a busy school and several residential colonies in it.


We can very well remember lot of temples (which are of course not as old as the one we are talking about) demolished as part of the IT Corridor, and several other highways project. What was done as part of the other projects is the temples were relocated again in the same locality. We can do the same thing here, and I am sure the god will definitely take it in the right spirit, as he knows that it is important for the betterment of te public, for whom he in fact exists.

[Arul Murugan]

Originally Posted by gvijayan

Arul, here is the picture uploaded on tinypic:

Vijayan,

thanks... But this suggestion will increase the volume of traffic in ECR b.w the Marudheeshwarar Kovil and Thiruvanmiyur bus terminus to multifold because of MTC and it looks to be little long and I doubt whether MTC will consider this as already the punctuality of MTC is stinking.

My suggestion is to make the bus terminus stretch alone one way, so that traffic from signal to ECR side can take existing route and the traffic from ECR to Signal can take South Avenue road.

[gvijayan]

Arul, you are not getting the point. We definitely can not think about letting all the heavy traffic from ECR towards the signal enter the 22nd street and then South Avenue. It will create a total mess.
Few years back, MTC buses from ECR going towards signal were using this pattern, and also several other commercial vehicles were using this way. You can still see the bus stop at South Avenue (which is not more used) with all the ECR bus routes mentioned.

Yes, the suggestion I proposed will increase the traffic on ECR, but not as much as it would do on the narrow 22nd street per your suggestion. I am talking only about MTC, but you are talking the whole traffic.

And my next point in my suggesstion, is to install a signal at the 22nd street, ECR junction. Operate it to turn left (green), when the upcoming traffic from ECR is stopped on a RED at the South Mada street, ECR Junction. This will make sure that the buses proceed without adding much to the traffic. And an entrance to the bus terminus has to be provided on the ECR side, so that these buses need not take the 90 degree curve to merge on to the Thiruvalluvar Road (West Avenue).

[Arul Murugan]

Originally Posted by gvijayan

Arul,

In the above pattern, we are talking about diverting only the MTC buses which take right turn into the terminus, which causes the whole problem.

But the suggestion you gave (which in fact was the traffic pattern some few years ago) is to divert all the traffic from ECR into the 22nd st, and South Avenue. Diverting such a heavy traffic will definitely not be a good idea and it will receive stiff opposition from the public as it has a busy school and several residential colonies in it.


We can very well remember lot of temples (which are of course not as old as the one we are talking about) demolished as part of the IT Corridor, and several other highways project. What was done as part of the other projects is the temples were relocated again in the same locality. We can do the same thing here, and I am sure the god will definitely take it in the right spirit, as he knows that it is important for the betterment of te public, for whom he in fact exists.

Vijayan,

Almost every corporate buses from Siruseri/IT corridor via ECR route is taking this South Avenue road to reach the signal. And many two and four wheelers regular users uses the 3rd main road to reach LB road.

My point is the temple demolish will not serve for any purpose in solving the problem there.

I agree with you that we have to consider the concern of residential areas, but when the corporation goes for creating proper walkways, imposing speed restrictions, subways etc., we can achieve 100% safety roads as well as for pedestrians in such a broad south Avenue road (it is almost 4 lane road). Such diversion will bring down the much pressure on the Thiruvanmiyur bus terminus and lot of man hours can be saved in traffic.

[gvijayan]

Originally Posted by Arul Murugan

Vijayan,

thanks... But this suggestion will increase the volume of traffic in ECR b.w the Marudheeshwarar Kovil and Thiruvanmiyur bus terminus to multifold because of MTC and it looks to be little long and I doubt whether MTC will consider this as already the punctuality of MTC is stinking.

My suggestion is to make the bus terminus stretch alone one way, so that traffic from signal to ECR side can take existing route and the traffic from ECR to Signal can take South Avenue road.

The MTC buses anyway wait for a considerable amount of time at the West Avenue Road, for offloading the passengers, and for their chance to turn right - which in fact they do whenever they want without waiting for the other side of traffic to stop - and no policeman to control the traffic.

So riding few additional meters will not be a big problem, it is just going to take less than 5 extra minutes, which is not a big problem.

[gvijayan]

Originally Posted by Arul Murugan

Vijayan,

Almost every corporate buses from Siruseri/IT corridor via ECR route is taking this South Avenue road to reach the signal. And many two and four wheelers regular users uses the 3rd main road to reach LB road.

My point is the temple demolish will not serve for any purpose in solving the problem there.

I agree with you that we have to consider the concern of residential areas, but when the corporation goes for creating proper walkways, imposing speed restrictions, subways etc., we can achieve 100% safety roads as well as for pedestrians in such a broad south Avenue road (it is almost 4 lane road). Such diversion will bring down the much pressure on the Thiruvanmiyur bus terminus and lot of man hours can be saved in traffic.

Arul, the major stop for the Corporate buses is the Thiruvanmiyur Bus Terminus. Only a very few buses take the South Avenue, and such buses will have a overnight halt on the South Avenue. I have travelled on my company buses N-number of times, and I always used to get down right in front of the bus terminus.

And the two wheelers and four wheelers, do not take the complete South Avenue Road to get them on to the signal. They do a '22nd street + South Avenue + 3rd main road + LB Road. Noone takes the South Avenue to merge onto West Avenue. They do this to skip the long queue on the West Avenue to cross the signal, where the wait time is several minutes, with such a heavy traffic.

When you get on the LB Road (by taking the above mentioned roads), you can save such a wait time. And as you are aware the, LB road stretch in question is not used by many towards the Adyar side.

[gvijayan]

And the number of two and four wheelers using the South Ave / 3rd main road, again is very less. Only the people who know the geography take this road.
And the number has again come down after the buses from Adyar side going to IT COrridor were diverted to use this road, which has made it difficult for them to turn onto LB Road from 3rd Main Road.
More than 97% of the vehicles from ECR, still use the West Avenue Road.

[dis.agree]

Originally Posted by Arul Murugan

Vijayan,

thanks... But this suggestion will increase the volume of traffic in ECR b.w the Marudheeshwarar Kovil and Thiruvanmiyur bus terminus to multifold because of MTC and it looks to be little long and I doubt whether MTC will consider this as already the punctuality of MTC is stinking.

My suggestion is to make the bus terminus stretch alone one way, so that traffic from signal to ECR side can take existing route and the traffic from ECR to Signal can take South Avenue road.

traffic at this junction itself is not so much that it cannot be managed. it is far simpler than the thrivanmiyur signal junction at lb road. infact if traffic volumes are so high at bus stand, we need to add a signal.

issue at bus stand is criss crossing. buses stop just short of bus stand and most mtc buses immediately need to turn right into bus stand. so, both the left & right lanes are blocked for free flow of traffic. while this scheme creates congestion for vehicles, it helps bus passengers because they can get right down at the bus stop and board the next that goes down ecr south.

if you want to make this stretch one way by making mtc buses that need to go into bus stand by using right side, then bus passengers need to cross the road to left side which would again disturb free flow of traffic. this can be circumvented by allowing all vehicles that need to stop here to use right side. but what's worse is, people coming north along ecr will not be allowed to reach bus stand since it would be bypassed. instead of this solution, we could continue to keep it 2 way, allow the thiruvanmiyur bus stand bound mtc buses stop only inside the bus stand, move the bus stop after the turn into ecr near this structure and demolish the structure. many buses anyway stop near there. so demolishing this structure would allow us to build a bus bay, with 2 more lanes for other vehicles. passengers getting down into bus stand would still have to cross over but atleast the ones from south can get down at bus stand.

this is not the only place where a bus stand exists by a main road. anna nagar west bus stand on irr which witness the highest volumes of traffic anywhere on chennai roads is one and it virtually has no issues. traffic at vadapalani bus stand on arcot road is also i think higher than thiruvanmiyur bus stand but the mess is lesser, thanks to a police who regulates traffic. koyambedu cmbt mtc entrance/exit is also busy and it is easily controlled because of a signal there and also wide roads.

[natarajan1986]

It will be great if you come up with a solution for problem near your area instead of general tips and suggestion .so that whole chennai will be covered
it will be a mess if some one comes to read here

[die4chennai]

Why cant they construct a flyover in front of de BUS terminus(much like that of Airport flyover) and let the temple come under the flyover between two pillars of the flyover.

It will disperse the high-speed traffic to & fro ECR through the flyover and MTC buses/Share autos ply down the flyover, It will facilitate easy pedestrian crossing also.

Is it not possible? I have not been to that place very often.

[Bless]

To My Best knowledge I think the location of the Bus station (having two sides road is) good strategy.

I would advice this change (in pic) Yello road/ Red Bus station.

[IMG]http://i26.************/aw5d2s.jpg[/IMG]

1. Slightly shifting the current bus station to north east ( one portion of the road.)
2. Have road pass around the bus station.
3. have a subway/foot-over bridge to enter and exit the bus station.

By this we would get the following advantage.
1. Temple need not to be moved. and will not be in the middle of Road.
2. Free flow for the traffic.
3. Bus coming from west/south can enter the bus station with out blocking the traffic or can continue in their way.
4. even pedestrians won't cause disturbance.
5. bus will not block the lattice bridge road if they had to go straight.


Disadvantages (as for as I could think)
More depts involved so delay.
Reconstruct the bus station
people had to claim up to catch bus.

Any comments?