FJORDCITY | Operaens Omgivelser (Munch Museum and Deichman Library)

[UrbanLife]

Apparently, the bathing water will be quite nice when the big beach is done. Can't wait to the day I'll take a swim with my kids at the Bjørvika family beach, viewing the Oslo skyline in the horizon, and knowing it's only a few hundres meters back home

Regarding Munch: To be quite honest, the more the process keeps on moving, the less I care if the building is realized. Can't really see any big qualities with this builing, and the location isn't the best for a high rise. Why not extend it and place it a few hundred meters back, giving Grønland a prime tourist spot. Or just rebuild the Tøyen area. Would propably give some needed energy to the area.

[mjoks007]

Munch tilbake til start

[Ingenioren]

To expensive to put it in B4? Not if the area missed by Osu is gained in other locations of Bjørvika, the whole area needs more density, that's for sure!

[IceCheese]

Are you interested in what all the tens of thousands bureaucrats in Oslo do every day? Are you intrigued by how different a number of people can look at a single document? Are you in love with the written text as a concept? Are you bored?

Then I have a way to waste your time. 141 pages of pure gold is the result of two months of public hearing on this project. Take a look. I dare you!

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no...fileid=3030888



edit: Seriously though, I'll put this summary up for you not knowing what the process will be in the future with this project. Most likely, if the municipality is up to it, the project will go to the Ministry of Environment for final decission. This is lengthy, if you hadn't guessed, MD usually take at least 6 months.

Plan- og bygningsetaten har per 1.3.2011 mottatt 45 innkomne uttalelser, inkludert en statlig innsigelse, til planforslag for Munch- og Deichmanområdet. Forslaget lå ute til offentlig ettersyn i perioden 17.1-28.2.2011. Bemerkningene skal nå refereres og kommenteres av forslagsstiller, HAV Eiendom AS.

Riksantikvaren har reist innsigelse mot alle tre foreliggende alternativer for nytt Munch-museum. Det betyr at saken innen kort tid vil bli gjenstand for mekling hos Fylkesmannen. Hvis saken ikke blir løst gjennom mekling ved at innsigelsen trekkes, vil saken ved et eventuelt vedtak fattet av bystyret oversendes Miljøverndepartementet for endelig avgjørelse.

Plan- og bygningsetaten har i denne sammenheng bedt HAV Eiendom AS om spesielt å kommentere Riksantikvarens innsigelser til planforslagene.

[Galro]

If I understands your summary correctly, then Riksantikvaren are against both the first, second and the third winner in the competition held for Munch Museum? What a positive guy.

[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by Galro

If I understands your summary correctly, then Riksantikvaren are against both the first, second and the third winner in the competition held for Munch Museum? What a positive guy.

No, just the three alternatives as stated in the plan. (1) Original lambda, (2) reworked lambda by PBE, and (3) reworked lambda by Riksantikvaren (yeah, that's the crazy part!).

[podline]

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=305040510358

[Galro]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

and (3) reworked lambda by Riksantikvaren (yeah, that's the crazy part!).

I think he need to find himself a hobby.

[mjoks007]

Vil bygge 14 etasjer foran Barcode

Riksantikvaren vil flytte Munch-museet. Arbeiderpartiet flagger akvarieplaner i Bjørvika igjen. Og plutselig diskuteres boligblokker på opptil 14 etasjer, nesten like høyt som Barcode-byggene, i området sør for Operaen.

[IceCheese]

Not exactly comming as a "surprise" when it's been in the plans since they were published 2 years ago. Actually, they were initially proposed even taller.

–Det var ikke de forutsetningene vi hadde da vi flyttet inn. Dessuten vil slike blokker gi mørke gaterom og komme i konflikt med området rundt, sier Skare.

Here he is actually lying. I've personally overheared the sales agents of OSU, and they've been pretty clear that the regulations of B4 and the neighboring plots are subject to changes at a later time. The plans for B4 were also public information when he bought his appartment, since they weren't out for sales before later that year.

[IceCheese]

A revised plan for this area is heading for political decission. Summary by PBE:

Etaten anbefaler Deichman og redusert Lamda


Plan- og bygningsetaten støtter utbyggingen av de to kulturbyggene, samt bolig- og næringsbebyggelsen i karréform. Etaten anbefaler alternativ 2 for Munch-museet, det vil si med 15 meters kutt i lamellens lengde i forhold til forslagsstillers alternativ (alternativ 1).

Etaten opprettholder Lambda ytterst på Paulsenkaia. Plan- og bygningsetaten anbefaler større gårdsrom og lavere byggehøyder for studentboligene for å bedre prosjektets miljøkvaliteter. I tillegg til studentboligene kommer 340 boliger i skjermede gårdsrom med barnehage. Følg saken på Saksinnsyn, saksnummer 200911541.

The updated reg.plan, per April 14th: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no...fileid=3091993

Looks as we won with our Carre-argumentation!

Bye bye, fugly lamellblokker in B1 and B4!!

[Galro]

What's the point in keeping Lamda if it have to been altered to fit the criteria?

[Ingenioren]

^ It's a better looking λ, since it will not be so fat!

[Galro]

Sure, but would it not be better idea to actually choose a proposal we like in the first instance? I think we either should go with how the architect originally visioned his proposal or we should choose some of the others.

[IceCheese]

Some alterations to a competition entry is always expected. IMO it's far more scandalous that they will go with a project with far less sqm of exibition area than originally planed. Will there be room for Stenersens samlingene at all? Or should they just continue using the awful building in Vika instead?

[Galro]

Making it thinner, lower and other change of exterior dimensions are more than I would expect. Especially on such a simple design. You are basically altering the whole appearance of the proposal. It seems to me that they don't like the proposal and are therefore trying to bend it into something they could live with.

[Mulefisk]

I'm glad to see they went with carré. A bunch of boring lamell-blocks right here in the heart of the city would be just hopeless.

I'm also glad to see that they will be focusing more on recreation on the tip of Bjølrvikautstikkeren. As far as I can read all commercial functions have been taken out of the A11 and A36. It looked a bit dead in some of the renders, it would be nice with a park or some greenery.

[Ingenioren]

Did they forget to add those squaremeters to the podium as originally planned? Only 2 floors look quite stupid for such a wide building/podium anyhow.

[Mulefisk]

Edit:moved this post to the fjordcity thread

[Ingenioren]

Digging trough some old stuff here - Mdp decission back in 2004 regarding sight-lines from Middelalderparken:
http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/md/...html?id=447913