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Old April 30th, 2005, 08:07 AM   #1
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Calgary's CTrain

Calgary a booming Alberta city has a rapid transit LRT system. It only serves the city of 950,000 but carries 220,000 passengers a day. Considered the most succesful LRT rapid transit system in N.A.
It is 42 km long and will be doubled in length whin 20 years. The trains run every 5 minutes and the whole system is spotless.
Thanks to Alberta's gushing oil wealth Calgary is a VERY wealthy city and due to it having the percapita highest concentration of office towers downtown in N.A. it is well suited for transit.

A GREAT website to show you all the photos and details of the CTrain is
www.members.shaw.ca/lrtincalgary/

For general transit info and links and photos of the city's amazing skyline just go to the www.calgarytransit.com site

ENJOY!
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Old April 30th, 2005, 08:13 AM   #2
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Also, note how I said the system is spotless , well so is the city.
Of all cities in the worlds with metropolitan populations over one million {metro Calgary 1.1 million} it has been consistently voted the world's cleanest city. You really can eat off the sidewalks, the place is immaculate and has a low crime rate, high educational levels, the second highest number of head offices in the country, only 70km from the beautiful rockies, all in a city with the highest per-capita income in the nation
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Old April 30th, 2005, 09:25 AM   #3
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I like their lightrail.
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Old April 30th, 2005, 05:56 PM   #4
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System Map:



System Description:

Downtown
2.0 km in-street section, opened May 25, 1981
Trains share transit mall with buses and emergency vehicles

South LRT
14.3 km, opened May 25, 1981
Trains run on fenced right-of-way (R.O.W.) parallel to freight rail line from 41st Avenue to Somerset/Bridlewood Station S.W.
3.4 km extension to Fish Creek/Lacombe, opened October 26, 2001
3.0 km extension to Somerset/Bridlewood, opened June 28, 2004

Northeast LRT
9.8 km, April 29, 1985
Trains run in median of roadway, with a concrete barrier separation

Northwest LRT
5.6 km, opened September 7, 1987
1.0 km extension to Brentwood, opened August 31, 1990
3.0 km extension to Dalhousie, opened December 15, 2003
Trains run in median of roadway and on exclusive right-of-way (R.O.W.) through residential areas

Total Length
42.1 km, 5% grade separated, 8% underground
Proof of purchase fare system, free-fare zone on 7th Avenue
25 major stations, 11 side loading platforms downtown


Vehicles:
Siemens-Duewag U2

Siemens-Duewag SD 160



Offical Website:
http://www.calgarytransit.com/Routes/lrt_stop.html
http://www.calgarytransit.com/html/t...formation.html


Pro-Calgary LRT Websites:
http://members.shaw.ca/LRTinCalgary/Index.html
http://www.lightrail.com/photos/calgary/calgary.htm
http://world.nycsubway.org/canada/calgary/
http://www.subways.net/canada/calgary.htm


Anti-Calgary LRT Website:
http://www.scartissue.org/pastpro/lrt.html

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Old April 30th, 2005, 08:42 PM   #5
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Great system, backed up by good and forward thinking urban planning.
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Old April 30th, 2005, 09:33 PM   #6
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Yup! Calgary is quite impressive. It would be nice if more cities embrace the emphasis on extensive rail based systems that is spread out to the entire city.
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Old April 30th, 2005, 10:50 PM   #7
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Amen. Too bad Edmonton to the north didn't take the same route. Yes, Edmonton now has a LRT underground but was built in the wrong place and they spent so much damn money on the tunnels that the system was drained.
Thus far Edmonton's LRT has cost one billion dollars and has daily ridership of 47,000 and Calgary's Ctrain has cost 640million but has ridership of 220,000/day. This despite the fact that both metro areas are about the same size.
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Very nice system. Clean efficient and built with the future in mind.

How often is the C line used (the spare one)
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What C line, and what spare one???? Please rephrase.
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What C line, and what spare one???? Please rephrase.
While I was reading up on it, they said something about a spare line that was built for the olympics and is used during maintanance of the other lines etc.

The two main are 'A' and 'B' (North, South) and then this 'C' one which is what I was wondering about. Does it get much use?
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Old May 1st, 2005, 07:03 PM   #11
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If its the c line you are referring to I think you just mean the NW line. Yes, heavy use but the busiest is the south line.
The line that was built for the Oympics was just the north/west line but at the time it only went to Universuty.
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Quote:
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If its the c line you are referring to I think you just mean the NW line. Yes, heavy use but the busiest is the south line.
The line that was built for the Oympics was just the north/west line but at the time it only went to Universuty.
No sorry, thats not it.
Don't worry about it, though
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Old May 8th, 2005, 06:47 PM   #13
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The CTrain has found itself FAR superior to Vancouver's hi-tech SkyTrain.
Vancouver's SkyTrain carries 260,000 pass/day but has cost CDN$2.4billion while Calgary's CTrain has cost only CDN$ 640million and carries 220,000 a day.
This in a transit area served that is less than half of Vancouver's.
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Old May 8th, 2005, 06:59 PM   #14
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BTW
Vancouver is now embarking on a CDN$1.7billion dollar extention to the suburbs and airport to get extra ridership of just 80-90,000 a day.
Calagary is set to DOUBLE its length to 85km within 17 years at a total cost of CDN$1.1 billion.
That will see 6 legs of CTrain covering ALL areas of the city.
When completed86% of the population will be within 1km of rapid transit CTrain.
Also, unlike Vancouver's SkyTrain is it useful for the inner city urban dwellers as well while Vancouver's is not. It mostly is there to serve people in the suburbs themselves.
A truly fantastic system and is a model in North America with clean stations and cars, frequent service {about every 6minutes} with free downtown travel and one of the cheapest system to use.......only $65/month.
Nothing like good urbane planning. It has already stated butying up the ROW on the extentions and when develpment over the years in this fast growing metropolis had corridors built in for CTrain expansion so their would be limited land aquisition required and no NIMBY's as the people moving there knew about potential Ctrain expansion.
This backed up with REAL hardcore money from the oil rich province of Alberta means Calgary will, within 20 years, have one of the premier transit systems in NA all in a city of 1.4 million in 20 years and 970,000 today.

Now that is called urbane planning!!
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Old May 8th, 2005, 08:06 PM   #15
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Vancouver is a city that doesn't have any real highways and rapid transit has to pick up the slack of having incompetent highways. Nobody is going to take transit on something that takes as much time as driving, for example the Coquitlam Line which will be LRT. SkyTrain would take 13 minutes, LRT would take 23 minutes. and how long would LRT take for RAV? 40-45 minutes as suppose to 25 minutes with SkyTrain. Don't forget about that the Vancouver region is smaller and denser than that of Calgary. Also note that SkyTrain is originally planned for the RAV and Coquitlam lines in the GVRD LRS Plan.

Vancouver is a city that thinks ahead 100 years, not 20 years.

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If we're to have LRT for RAV, we might as well keep the 98 B-Line instead.
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Old May 9th, 2005, 04:30 AM   #16
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The fact that Vancouver hasn't got any decent roads should help transit ridership but it doesn't. Vancouverites can say all they like but they love their cars. Greater Vancouver has more cars percap than the city of L.A.
Vancouver was the last major city to get rapid transit and now its paying for it.
Ridership is Vancouver is less than half the rates of both Toronto and Montreal and a third less than Ottawa and Calgary.
1.74billion for ridership of just 80,000?........offensive and the interest will bankrupt Translink for years to come.
Vancouver has planned very poorly over the years and now, although trying to catch up, never will. In terms of urban transport Vancouver is a nightmare and the worst of the nation's largest cities.
When you think of the incredible ridership Calgary has on a CTrain that cost less than a third of SkyTrain serving an population base less than hal;f the size you realize that vancouver has done incredibly poorly for the money they have spent.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by greg_christine
System Map:



System Description:

Downtown
2.0 km in-street section, opened May 25, 1981
Trains share transit mall with buses and emergency vehicles

South LRT
14.3 km, opened May 25, 1981
Trains run on fenced right-of-way (R.O.W.) parallel to freight rail line from 41st Avenue to Somerset/Bridlewood Station S.W.
3.4 km extension to Fish Creek/Lacombe, opened October 26, 2001
3.0 km extension to Somerset/Bridlewood, opened June 28, 2004

Northeast LRT
9.8 km, April 29, 1985
Trains run in median of roadway, with a concrete barrier separation

Northwest LRT
5.6 km, opened September 7, 1987
1.0 km extension to Brentwood, opened August 31, 1990
3.0 km extension to Dalhousie, opened December 15, 2003
Trains run in median of roadway and on exclusive right-of-way (R.O.W.) through residential areas

Total Length
42.1 km, 5% grade separated, 8% underground
Proof of purchase fare system, free-fare zone on 7th Avenue
25 major stations, 11 side loading platforms downtown


Vehicles:
Siemens-Duewag U2

Siemens-Duewag SD 160



Offical Website:
http://www.calgarytransit.com/Routes/lrt_stop.html
http://www.calgarytransit.com/html/t...formation.html


Pro-Calgary LRT Websites:
http://members.shaw.ca/LRTinCalgary/Index.html
http://www.lightrail.com/photos/calgary/calgary.htm
http://world.nycsubway.org/canada/calgary/
http://www.subways.net/canada/calgary.htm


Anti-Calgary LRT Website:
http://www.scartissue.org/pastpro/lrt.html
a question.

by the look of that map, If I went to calgary..I could get on the C-train for free on 7th av???? or is that just for free transfers?
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a question.

by the look of that map, If I went to calgary..I could get on the C-train for free on 7th av???? or is that just for free transfers?
You can travel anywhere on 7th Ave for free. As long as you do not leave the 7th Ave area, like going to Heritage you then have to pay fare. The transfers are always free.
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Old May 10th, 2005, 02:45 AM   #19
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I treally help the CTrain become pertinent tocity dwellers which the SkyTrain is not. It has downtown stations but most of its passengers are going to the outersuburbs. Its not to effectual for people living in Vancouver. This is due to not being built along a major roadway but rather as point to point travel which always gets lower ridership.
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The frequency of collisions for on-street light rail systems has been sensationalized to the point that it is often the chief issue over which advocates and opponents argue. Other fundamental issues are often ignored:

1. Speed: Light rail systems operating on the street are limited to the same speed limits as motor vehicle traffic. Since light rail trains must stop at stations, they are actually at a speed disadvantage compared to motor vehicle traffic.

2. Automation: Automation is becoming the norm for grade-separated transit systems. The advantages of more efficient train operation through automation are so compelling that automation is being employed even where there is no possibility of eliminating onboard train crew. For instance, the downtown tunnel section of Muni's light rail system in San Francisco is now automated even though drivers remain onboard to take command of the trains for the above ground portions of the routes. A similar system is being implemented in the light rail tunnel in downtown Philadelphia.

3. Disruption of Street Traffic: Light rail systems often are designed to take priority over other street traffic through the use of traffic signal pre-emption. For a two-way light rail line with a headway of six minutes between trains, a train passes through any given intersection every three minutes. The cycle time for a traffic signal at a major intersection is typically about one minute. Every third traffic signal cycle is disrupted by the passage of a train.

An interesting side note is that the conflict between streetcars and other ground traffic predates the arrival of the automobile. Many large cities in the United States started moving streetcars to elevated viaducts back during horse and buggy days. Horses and carriages still out-numbered automobiles on city streets when the first subway tunnels were built in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia.
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