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Old September 24th, 2006, 10:01 PM   #61
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Comparing the CTrain to the Evergreen is not a proper analogy.
The Evergreen will be using ussual roads thus slowing it's speed. The CTrain on the other hand is COMPLETLY grade separated. Until you get to the downtown transit mall the system is completly independent from system. Much lkike at grade subway lines. In other words there is nothing to slow it down from regular traffic.
the Ctrain isnt completely grade seperated, the majority of its crossings (im assuming) are at-grade, but instead of having a signal priority or other system, it has the traditional barriers (effectively giving it MORE than signal priority)
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Old September 25th, 2006, 04:08 AM   #62
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I think Calgary's LRT success is pretty simple.....they built a mass transit backbone where one never existed, and routed it reasonably well.... in a fairly well populated and compact city, with a well used and compact core that has a simple origin/destination pattern.

Skytrain on the other hand, has to serve several suburban cities and nodes in various locations all over the metro area, which makes it more of a regional commuter line, rather than a simple in/out of the core route. This makes it necessary to spreead it out thinly, and relies on more cattered feeder routes.

It's just the way both cities are laid out...I think both handle their situation about the same, but Calgary just has it easier, due to it's built form.






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Old September 25th, 2006, 08:02 AM   #63
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I think Calgary's LRT success is pretty simple.....they built a mass transit backbone where one never existed, and routed it reasonably well.... in a fairly well populated and compact city, with a well used and compact core that has a simple origin/destination pattern.

Skytrain on the other hand, has to serve several suburban cities and nodes in various locations all over the metro area, which makes it more of a regional commuter line, rather than a simple in/out of the core route. This makes it necessary to spreead it out thinly, and relies on more cattered feeder routes.

It's just the way both cities are laid out...I think both handle their situation about the same, but Calgary just has it easier, due to it's built form.



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Old September 25th, 2006, 09:01 AM   #64
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I rode the LRT this summer while visiting calgary. The stations were modern and big, especially the suburban ones. It was pretty cool to have to press a button to open the door.

Heres some pics from the downtown section.


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Old September 25th, 2006, 03:56 PM   #65
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It was pretty cool to have to press a button to open the door.
I think it's cooler when the door opens for you
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Old September 25th, 2006, 10:48 PM   #66
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I think it's cooler when the door opens for you
lol....so true.
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Old September 26th, 2006, 07:58 AM   #67
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The LRT has high ridership because it goes to U. of C., the Stampede, runs parrel to McLeod Trail which is Calgary's main N/S road, its workforce is very heavily on downtown office towers, and Calgary has deliberatly for a long time had the most expensive downtown parking rates in country making the car less appealing.
People who ussually wouldn't use transit will use CTrain like TTC subway or Montreal's Metro but SkyTrain still has that negative conutation. You see VERY few people with suits on the SkyTrain because goes to mostly lower income areas like NuWest, Surrey, and EastVan.
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Old October 13th, 2006, 07:11 AM   #68
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Old October 14th, 2006, 04:53 AM   #69
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Hmmm, I wish I had hopped onto that trolley past Philadelphian backyards . . .
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Well this might deserve a bump..

any new thoughts from anyone.. about the newly announced SW/NE Leg of this.. im kinda sad that the new leg was announced to be completed in one large project vs completing station by station slowly expansing to the SW to have it kick its effects in right away.. ah well.. whats 3 more years for something thats been pondered for 20
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Old March 21st, 2008, 07:49 AM   #71
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Anyway you cut it the CTrain is an incredible success by any world standard.
It now gets 250,000 revenue passengers eash day in a city of only 1,030,000.
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Good by North American standards, not world standards.
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 12:27 AM   #73
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Good by North American standards, not world standards.
A good distinction to make. I totally agree.. its sometimes amusing but usually kind of sad.

Unfortunately we've chosen to live in such sprawling development patterns very few North American transit systems could reach the success/ridership that exists in the really successful international systems.

Sad but true.
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Old March 24th, 2008, 02:41 AM   #74
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And cars are way more affordable here than elsewhere. Purchase price, insurance, gas...
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Old March 24th, 2008, 10:05 PM   #75
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I think it is comparable and excellent by even world standards. Remember that is revenue passengers not just passengers itself. CTrain actually carries 350,000 a day. In a city of just one million that is great.
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Old March 25th, 2008, 07:48 AM   #76
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so 100,000 a day ride for free?
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Old March 28th, 2008, 10:49 PM   #77
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so 100,000 a day ride for free?
Pretty much. We're a little lazy about that here in Alberta. Sometimes the ETS Security will check but oftentimes you will get to ride it free here.
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No.
It means that 250,000 pay for the whole fare but the total number who take it is well over that.
EG..............if a person has to transfer onto another train it is not counted as 2 trips but just one as only ticket had to be purchased.
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CALGARY | Public Transport





Official Website: www.westlrt.ca

INTRODUCTION


The West LRT is an 8.0 Kilometre light rail transit line which will travel from the 7th Avenue downtown transit mall to a terminus at 69th Street and 17th Avenue SW. 7 Stations will be built as a part of this project, which will be detailed below. All stations will be built to 4-LRV-car capacity, and will have a peak frequency of 5 minute headways.

West LRT will be the fourth radial LRT line to be built in Calgary. The last line completed was to the Northwest in 1987. Once open, the West LRT will be connected with the Northeast leg through downtown to form a single route, the 202.

This line was first proposed as part of the original planning process for LRT in the late 1970s. A functional planning study was completed in 1983, and the recommended route and plan was updated in 1994. The line was prioritized by City Council in 2006 and finally approved in 2007. Construction will start in late 2009, with an official opening date of late 2012. Much of this line will be constructed in right-of-way which had been reserved since the line was in its early planning stages in the late 1970s. This right-of-way exists east of 42nd Street West, save for a small stretch near 47th Street West.



ROUTE


Starting on the 7th Avenue downtown transit mall, the line will travel west from 9th Street, where the northwest line joins the mall, stopping at a new 11th Street Station. After an at-grade crossing of 11th Street, trains will climb an elevated section, travel over eastbound Bow Trail, and stop at the elevated Sunalta Station. Continuing on the elevated section, eastbound Bow Trail is crossed again, and trains descend to grade and follow the median of Bow Trail under the Crowchild Trail Overpass toward a stop at 26th Street Station. Trains will descend into a tunnelled section near 31st Street West and the alignment will traverse southwesterly under the Westbrook Mall and Earnest Manning High School lands, including a stop at Westbrook Station.

The alignment shifts to the north side of 17th Avenue, rising to grade near 40th street, stopping at 45th Street, just east of the road of the same name. Continuing at grade, the route swings north, following the north side of 17th Avenue, and crosses over Sarcee Trail in conjunction with a new road interchange there. After this crossing, the route drops again to grade and stops at Sirocco Station, across 17th Avenue from West Market Square. After crossing Sirocco Drive at grade, the line enters an trenched section, passing under 17th avenue to the south side of the road, and terminates at 69th Street Station, which will be located in a trench underneath the north/south street of the same name.


Route Map



http://www.westlrt.ca/files/WestLRT_Map.pdf


Route Animation


NOTE: Animation does not show station structures, only alignment.


http://www.westlrt.ca/contentabout/route_animation.cfm




VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY


The West LRT will be fully integrated with the existing LRT system and thus the existing Siemens U2 and SD160 Light Rail Vehicle (LRV) models will be used. The budget for West LRT includes the purchase of 21 new LRVs. These are part of a total order of 38 SD160 model LRVs which will have a new look. The other 17 LRVs are for other extensions and replacement/growth. The new LRVs will have air-conditioning, a more streamlined exterior design, enhanced operator controls, and a roomier seating arrangement. Below are video captures from an informational video released by Calgary's Mayor, found here.

Exterior:



New Seating Arrangement:




FUNDING & DESIGN/BUILD

Funding for this project was approved in November 2007 by City Council. A design-build consortium will be chosen from a shortlist in September 2009, and construction should begin shortly thereafter. The consortiums who will participate in the request for proposals process are:

Calwest LRT Constructors Joint Venture
Bilfinger Berger (Canada) Inc.
Acciona Infrastructures Canada Inc.
Ellis Don Construction Services Inc.
Standard General Inc.


PCL/KMC West LRT Joint Venture
PCL Construction Management Inc.
Kiewit Management Co.
Mass Electric Construction Co.


SNC Lavalin
Graham Infrastructure, a JV
Cana Construction Ltd.
Enmax Power Services Corporation



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More information to come later.
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STATIONS


11th Street Station


Location: On either side of 7th Avenue, between 10th and 11th Streets southwest
Type: Downtown transit mall
Platform: Dual-sided, side load
Information: This station is officially part of the West LRT Project, but is also being done in conjunction with the 7th Avenue Refurbishment project. This is why no official renderings have been released, but it should resemble the other stations on 7th Avenue, with a glass and metal canopy and LED lighting which changes colour.

Rendering:

*NOTE: No rendering is available for 11th Street West. Below are pictures of existing 7th Avenue stations, 1st Street West and 7th Street West. The design will be similar, but with a platform on both sides of the street.

1st Street West Station:


http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/transportation_infrastructure/7_ave_lrt/project_history_and_development.pdf

7th Street West Station:


Image courtesy Jason Reid
http://compscience.info/public/image...rt-feb27-3.jpg



Sunalta Station

Location: South side of Eastbound Bow Trail, near 16th Street southwest
Type: Elevated, community station
Platform: Centre load
Information: This will be Calgary's first elevated station.

Renderings:


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/Sunalta%20Aerial%20View.pdf


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/Sunalta%20-%20night%20perspective.pdf


26th Street Station

Location: Median of Bow Trail, just west of 26th Street southwest
Type: At grade walk-on, community station
Platform: Side load
Information: This will be a low-volume station.

Renderings:


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/26%20St%20Assorted%20shots.pdf


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/26th%20east%20entrance.pdf


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/26%20St%20Assorted%20shots.pdf


Westbrook Station

Location: Underground, approximately where the Earnest Manning High School playing field now sits. North of 17th Avenue, west of 33rd Street southwest
Type: Underground, major transportation hub station
Platform: Side load
Information: This will be the first underground station in the system, and arguably the "centre-piece" station of the line.

Renderings:


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/Westbrook%20Profile.pdf


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/Westbrook%20platform%20level.pdf


45th Street Station


Location: North of 17th Avenue, just east of 45th Street southwest
Type: At grade, walk-on community station
Platform: Side load
Information: The design-build consortium will report to council with the cost of trenching this section and station, and council will then decide whether to trench or not. The current approved route has this section at-grade.

Renderings:

At-grade option:


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/45th%20Aerial.pdf

Trenched option:


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/45TH%20Station%20(trenched)%20Site%20Plan%20and%20Elevation.pdf


Sirocco Station


Location: North of 17th Avenue, west of Sarcee Trail southwest, across from West Market Square
Type: At grade, Park N' Ride, minor transit hub station
Platform: Side load
Information: The Park N' Ride will have 590 stalls. Currently not slated to include a pedestrian bridge over 17th Avenue, but one will likely be built as has been strongly recommended at a recent Calgary Planning Commission hearing.

Renderings:


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/Signal%20Hill%20Aerial%20and%20Elevations.pdf


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/Signal%20Hill%20looking%20west.pdf


69th Street Station

Location: In a trench under 69th Street, on the south side of 17th Avenue southwest
Type: Trenched, major transit hub, Park N' Ride and terminus station
Platform: Centre load
Information: This station will be the first trenched station in the system. As the western terminus station, it will serve areas to the west via feeder bus routes and a 590 stall Park N' Ride.

Renderings:


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/69th%20Street%20Aerial%20and%20site%20plan.pdf


http://www.westlrt.ca/files/69th%20Street%20Platform%20level.pdf


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