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Old December 20th, 2009, 03:14 AM   #401
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They had better extend the monorail concurrently with building a brand-new, 8-to-10 north-south freeway troughfare. As for the keys they should have been planning to build the second carriageway on US-1, but I don't think it is going to happen anytime soon.
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Old December 20th, 2009, 06:47 AM   #402
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BRT is the cheapest and fastest way to solve the mass transport problem in big city, especially in developing country. To build an MRT need expensive investment and longer time to complete. In Jakarta when the BRT first time introduce to the people there a lot of rejection, because the BRT take a half road for the lane and make congestion more worst, But in other way it's force them to use the BRT than trapped in the jam. So now the people left their car at home and take the BRT to the work place, and swarm like ants in the BRT station.



And of course the pretty driver made cohesion too heh..heh..
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Old December 20th, 2009, 08:50 AM   #403
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^ sorry but the Florida Turnpike takes you to the the entrance to the Florida Keys & there is no way they are going to build a new freeway. There is no space!
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Old December 20th, 2009, 12:25 PM   #404
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BRT is the cheapest and fastest way to solve the mass transport problem in big city, especially in developing country. To build an MRT need expensive investment and longer time to complete. In Jakarta when the BRT first time introduce to the people there a lot of rejection, because the BRT take a half road for the lane and make congestion more worst, But in other way it's force them to use the BRT than trapped in the jam. So now the people left their car at home and take the BRT to the work place, and swarm like ants in the BRT station.
Yes,but (especially in such a big city) it's a half measure;In Jakarta they must find this money at least.Just like ants... it's a good comparison.And I would add: like cows in the truck going to the slaughterhouse.But what kind of choice they have if their bosses told them "You're late once more and you're fired!" and the city government don't care of their comfort?
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Old December 20th, 2009, 05:14 PM   #405
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This can happen with LRT/MRT too. Every system that is saturated have this problem. Cities like Jakarta do not have enough money to build LRT or MRT systems yet, so the immediatly solution is the BRT. But once they have the BRT network completed, they can upgrade the most crowded sections. For cities without enough money, this is much better than build small MRT lines, while most of the city remain in chaos.
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Old December 20th, 2009, 06:09 PM   #406
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This can happen with LRT/MRT too. Every system that is saturated have this problem. Cities like Jakarta do not have enough money to build LRT or MRT systems yet, so the immediatly solution is the BRT. But once they have the BRT network completed, they can upgrade the most crowded sections. For cities without enough money, this is much better than build small MRT lines, while most of the city remain in chaos.
But (especially in Jakarta case) we can't call it another way than a half-measure!Look at those buses:how much time they loose to change passengers on every bus stop (especially with such a crowd of people)?
There's no way to call it a full-value substitute of MRT!
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Old December 20th, 2009, 08:19 PM   #407
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Is someone saying "TransJakarta is a full-value substitute of MRT"?
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Old December 20th, 2009, 10:02 PM   #408
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Is someone saying "TransJakarta is a full-value substitute of MRT"?
Let's wait about few hours and we'll see what Falubaz thinks of that
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Old December 20th, 2009, 10:13 PM   #409
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You can't stop talking about him in every thread? This is very annoying. Why do you need to care so much with him?
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Old December 20th, 2009, 11:37 PM   #410
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It is not compareable with Europe (Poland).

- In Poland there is high education in transport sciences
- Poland go to be one of EU developed country, and need quality (rail) not quantity with minimum quality (BRT), because the task of public transport in developed world is get people out of cars.
- Poland is reach with coal (electricity), not oil
- Poland has hard snow winter conditions. Just yesterday (19. december 2009.), in Beograd (Serbia, much souther then Poland) there was speed 40km/h on highway. In those situations, say goodbye for not railway services.
- Poland is just more civil democratic society then the most of developing world.

By those facts, having BRT like not part time solution can be only decision mistake for any country in Europe.

Developing countries can make cheap rail solutions with second hand main line rails (capable for low axle load and speed 80km/h), and cheap secondhand German vehicles, or new Chinese or Russian vehicles. They have cheap working force. They only need PROFESIONAL working force, which take not shorter then 5 years.

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Old December 20th, 2009, 11:55 PM   #411
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You can't stop talking about him in every thread? This is very annoying. Why do you need to care so much with him?
Hahahah! I would know the answer too!
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Old December 21st, 2009, 12:20 AM   #412
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You can't stop talking about him in every thread? This is very annoying. Why do you need to care so much with him?
If you look into his statistics,you'll notice some interesting thing:his activity concerns local (Zielona Gora and sorrounding area) threads,but over 10% of all his posts you can find in one thread in Polish transport subforum:about BRT.In this thread for long three years he tried to "sell" us his ideas.And I'll repeat once more:he's lucky that it's really tiring to translate all his "golden things" from this thread to English;on the beginning we tried to explain him,why one mean of transport is more suitable in particular cases than the other and how some different means of transport (buses,trams and S-bahn/subway) complement each other in bigger cities,but he's totally "argument - resistant".I live in a metro area with buses,trams and S-bahn,besides I have (for years) quite intensive contacts with people working for transport authorities and I know that all mentioned above means of transport are necessary,but every of them has it's place and duties;he dosn't understand it;more,he all the time tries to persuade us that trams is a biggest shit of transport systems and it's a loss of money everytime and everywhere (common,haven't you read his posts?).During these years he tried to show us how fantastic thing is BRT and how wise are people who build it instead of light rail or subway.And he did it with different ways:many times he "forgot" about important things (eg. he showed Xiamen BRT,telling it was designed only for BRT;later we found,they got no permission to start there with a rail transport (MRT) and when they have it,it is more than possible that years of buses on Xiamen's elevated tracks will be counted.And there were many cases like that;not one of his "tricks" was just a mannipulation... Funny and (on the other hand) annoying was when he wrote (when he lost arguments),that LRT fans shouldn't take a part in discussion in "his" thread (when he kept attacking LRT and when most of the arguments against BRT are connected with LRT.Funny,isn't it?).The most pissing off is that he isn't just a person who doesn't know what's going on about the public transport;the true is he doesn't want to know if it is opposite to his ideas!.As I have seen,there were more people with negative attitude to his ideas than "positive" ones,so when his beloved thread begun to die,he "removed his activity" to this transport subforum... using the same tricks this is what makes me write what I've written above. Three years of delieing many of his "fantastic" examples and "new technologies" (like Phileas)... and here he starts from the beginning.
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Old December 21st, 2009, 02:44 AM   #413
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Hahahah! I would know the answer too!
Your behavior is not so better than Eurotram's. In fact, you both remain in this endless provocation. Terrible .
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Old December 30th, 2009, 12:28 AM   #414
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all day commuter trains, as does Montreal
only two of greater Montreal's five commuter train routes offer Sat and Sun services -- moreover, ⅔ of the network will be limited to peak-hour service once the forthcoming Train de l'est is commissioned into service

here, take a peek for yourself at just how American our Agence métropolitaine de transport wishes to become:



me thinks l'AMT wishes to swap our metro bus tyres for that squeeling steel sort -- oh, plus Mtl prix still have lousy taste for headgear

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Old December 30th, 2009, 06:16 AM   #415
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nuke power is alright, but the intense infrastructure and cost of mining the fuel should be included in the equation.

Anyways, along with LA, check out Eugene Oregon as an example of a smaller place adopting a legit BRT setup. I'm not sure on the frequency or ridership but a considerable portion of the route is constructed as a dedicated ROW
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Old February 4th, 2010, 06:38 AM   #416
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I have a question: Would BRT work in a city of less than 100,000 but has chronic traffic problems and an established, albeit small and hardly used bus route?
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I have a question: Would BRT work in a city of less than 100,000 but has chronic traffic problems and an established, albeit small and hardly used bus route?
Don't see why not to be honest. Norrköping in Sweden pop. 83,000 has a well patronised tram system which is currently being expanded. I'd imagine that in a city the size of 100,000 either a grade separated tram or BRT would work quite well if implemented correctly.
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BRT is the cheapest and fastest way to solve the mass transport problem in big city, especially in developing country. To build an MRT need expensive investment and longer time to complete. In Jakarta when the BRT first time introduce to the people there a lot of rejection, because the BRT take a half road for the lane and make congestion more worst, But in other way it's force them to use the BRT than trapped in the jam. So now the people left their car at home and take the BRT to the work place, and swarm like ants in the BRT station.



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But (especially in Jakarta case) we can't call it another way than a half-measure!Look at those buses:how much time they loose to change passengers on every bus stop (especially with such a crowd of people)?
There's no way to call it a full-value substitute of MRT!
wt...it was during the opening day, people just get excited with the new bus system...it's not in a daily life... BRT is definitely worth a try!

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