Comparative Profiles of Austronesian Languages

[kiretoce]

Originally Posted by xolang

As I mentioned before, in Indonesian:
padi = rice on the field
beras = uncooked rice, in Philippine bigas(?)
nasi = cooked rice
bubur = porridge, basically overcooked rice
ketan = a sort of sticky rice

In Filipino:

rice crop = palay
uncooked rice = bigas
cooked rice = kanin
porridge = lugaw
sticky rice = malagkit na kanin (malagkit means sticky)
day-old rice = bahaw
burnt rice = tutong

[xolang]

Originally Posted by kiretoce

In Filipino:

rice crop = palay
uncooked rice = bigas
cooked rice = kanin
porridge = lugaw
sticky rice = malagkit na kanin (malagkit means sticky)
day-old rice = bahaw
burnt rice = tutong

Palay and bigas are probably related with padi and beras.

There's also a word for burnt rice, but I can't think of it right now. I believe it's something with ker-.

[Sky Harbor]

Originally Posted by kiretoce

cooked rice = kanin

Kanin is used to specifically refer to steamed rice. The word for fried rice is sinangag, as I mentioned earlier. Kakanin on the other hand refers to desserts made from rice or its byproducts.

[Sky Harbor]

Originally Posted by TheAvenger

The Cebuano word "baril" for gun and "bariles" for drum were actually English origins.

Not quite. The Spanish word for barrel is barril.

[Animo]

You are correct.

It is also interesting to note that "to shoot" can be barrila! or fusila! in Cebuano.

Fusilar = To shoot, execute by firing squad

One can also use the following to describe a gun: fusil (pusil), pistola, and barril (baril)

[Sky Harbor]

At least now I know what gipusil means.

[Wind Shear]

Originally Posted by kiretoce

In Filipino:

rice crop = palay
uncooked rice = bigas
cooked rice = kanin
porridge = lugaw
sticky rice = malagkit na kanin (malagkit means sticky)
day-old rice = bahaw
burnt rice = tutong

In Cebuano:

rice crop = humay
uncooked rice = bugas
cooked rice = kan-on
porridge = lugaw
sticky rice = pilit - pilit is a Cebuano adjective for sticky.
day-old rice = bahaw
burnt rice = dukot - not only refer to rice, it can be referred to fried stuff (fish, port, beef, egg).

[RonnieR]

Originally Posted by xolang

Another aspect where Philippine is more difficult than Indonesian. In Indonesian the stress doesn't really matter. After all, it differs depending on where you come from.

Another good thing about Bahasa Indonesia. If it is spoken with a different accent like those from the East or from Sumatra, the Jakartans don't make fun of it. It's different here in the Philippines, some (not all) Filipinos make fun of those people who are not Tagalog speakers because of their accent. I find this silly.

[anakngpasig]

Originally Posted by overrayd

"kita" is a portmanteau pronoun. it means "I + you".

e.g.

mahal kita = I love you

mahal = love
kita = I + you

that is probably the best
explanation of the word kita.

you can't use "kita" when referring
to someone without somehow referring
to self.

kita is indeed "I + you" which is a pronoun
with "I" being the doer of the verb
and "you" as the receiver.

example: Papatayin kita.

kita: I - doer of the verb papatayin
kita: you - receiver of the verb papatayin

[amendercabal2]

Originally Posted by xolang

Thanks!
hutan, with the H- often not pronounced = forest

bahasa sebuano also has "utan" which means any dark yellowish or moderate olive green colored leaves i.e. green leafy vegetables

[amendercabal2]

Originally Posted by xolang

bubur = porridge, basically overcooked rice

in bahasa sebuano i think its "bulgur"

[Louman]

Originally Posted by RonnieR

Another good thing about Bahasa Indonesia. If it is spoken with a different accent like those from the East or from Sumatra, the Jakartans don't make fun of it. It's different here in the Philippines, some (not all) Filipinos make fun of those people who are not Tagalog speakers because of their accent. I find this silly.

Wouldn't it be ironic if those are the same people butchering Tagalog with their Taglish?

[RonnieR]

Originally Posted by Louman

Wouldn't it be ironic if those are the same people butchering Tagalog with their Taglish?

i found a new one:

nyamuk: mosquitoe Indonesian
lamok: Filipino

[xolang]

I found out that church in Bahasa Filipina is simbahan.

In Indonesian, sembah means worship or adore (God or a king).

persembahan = dedication, also something you give in the church, like money, or a song.

sembahyang (=pray) comes from sembah + yang, meaning something like worship/adore the (one).

A more neutral word for pray is berdo'a, from the root word do'a (=prayer).


Another thing

I: putus asa = desperate, broken hope
P: asa = hope ?

[kiretoce]

pray = manalangin
prayer = panalangin
praying = nananalangin
prayed = nanalangin (one less "na" from the verb praying)

[xolang]

Quote from Wind Shear. Post #194.


Despite Cebuano (CEB) and Tagalog (TGL) has some similarities, it has a good number of false friends.

By definition, false friends are pairs of word in two languages or dialects (or letters in two alphabets) that look and/or sound similar, but differ in meaning.

baybay Perhaps related to pantai (shore) in Indonesian
TGL: to spell
CEB: shore

bukid In Indonesian, bukit = hill
TGL: field
CEB: mountain

dampa There's also a game called dampa in Indonesian
TGL: a hut.
CEB: a game using hands and rubber bands

lipat Lipat = fold in Indonesian
TGL: to transfer.
CEB: mislook

luya In Indonesian, lelah = tired, weak
TGL: ginger
CEB: weak

paa In Indonesian, paha = upper leg
TGL: a foot
CEB: a leg

sama In Indonesian, sama = same. In Swedish samma.
TGL: to join or to go with
CEB: same or similar, or to resemble

sugo In Indonesian, suruh has the same meaning as in Bahasa Sebuano
TGL: to be one's ambassador or representative
CEB: to order or to decree or to mandate

tabi In Indonesian, tapi = but
TGL: on the side or beside
CEB: to talk

tambal In Indonesian, tambal = repair, usually a tire
TGL: to be paired up
CEB: medicine or remedy

usap In Indonesian, usap = caress
TGL: to talk
CEB: to chew

[xolang]

fear
P: takot, katakutan
I: takut, ketakutan
Bahasa Manado: takó'

buy
P: bili
Bahasa Manado: bilí
I: beli

[xolang]

Originally Posted by amendercabal2

bahasa sebuano also has "utan" which means any dark yellowish or moderate olive green colored leaves i.e. green leafy vegetables

Originally Posted by amendercabal2

in bahasa sebuano i think its "bulgur"

Originally Posted by anakngpasig

that is probably the best
explanation of the word kita.

you can't use "kita" when referring
to someone without somehow referring
to self.

kita is indeed "I + you" which is a pronoun
with "I" being the doer of the verb
and "you" as the receiver.

example: Papatayin kita.

kita: I - doer of the verb papatayin
kita: you - receiver of the verb papatayin

Thank you!

I find the use of kita in Tagalog very interesting.

What does papatayin mean?

[crappypants]

what is that kapangpangan greeting that's on a tarp everywhere you go?

[RonnieR]

Originally Posted by xolang

I found out that church in Bahasa Filipina is simbahan.

In Indonesian, sembah means worship or adore (God or a king).

persembahan = dedication, also something you give in the church, like money, or a song.

sembahyang (=pray) comes from sembah + yang, meaning something like worship/adore the (one).

A more neutral word for pray is berdo'a, from the root word do'a (=prayer).


Another thing

I: putus asa = desperate, broken hope
P: asa = hope ?

samba is used also in Tagalog esp. by Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ) members, meaning to worship.

Yes, pagasa from the root word asa = hope in Tagalog.