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Old January 16th, 2011, 10:35 PM   #81
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In many European cities in snow trams are usually the last thing still running.

I can't see one single advantage in this technology. Trams can tackle the worst gradients most cities have (10% in Sheffield). The fact that it is proprietary kills it stone dead for any astute buyer.
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Old January 16th, 2011, 11:22 PM   #82
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It's really a ridiculous system. The only advantage over a tram is that the rubber industry get's a slice of the cake too - in everything else it just fails
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Old January 17th, 2011, 02:50 AM   #83
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The major advantage that Translohr has over conventional trams is that Translohr costs less to build and operate. Of course, Bus Rapid Transit costs less to build and operate than either Translohr or conventional trams.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 12:29 PM   #84
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The major advantage that Translohr has over conventional trams is that Translohr costs less to build and operate. Of course, Bus Rapid Transit costs less to build and operate than either Translohr or conventional trams.
It can't cost less because Translohr wear is much mor higher it's road surface need changing very soon, it's guidance system need constant changing, and the rail needs constant cleaning every day (at elast in clermont).

Trams don't need rail cleaning (only when there is very big snow) but even in snow trams can make their own way themselves but translohr cant'
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Old January 17th, 2011, 02:03 PM   #85
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Maintenance ov the similar TVR vehicle is proved to be higher than of a tram. And a Translohr vehicle is more expensive than a standard tramway.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 03:05 PM   #86
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Maintenance ov the similar TVR vehicle is proved to be higher than of a tram. And a Translohr vehicle is more expensive than a standard tramway.
Yes its true translohr vehicles is much more expensive

Paris is buing 6 section bidirection translohr for 5 000 000 euros each. they are 46 meters long and have less capacity.

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Paris T3 Citadis vehicles that are 43 meters long have greater capacity are 7 sections and 2 500 000 per vehicle.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 03:28 PM   #87
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So why are Paris and other cities continuing to build Translohr lines in lieu of tram lines? Do you really expect people to believe that Michelin has bought off the transit authority in Paris just to sell a few more tires?

In Seattle, the cost to operate an electric trolley bus is $120 per hour. The cost to operate a streetcar is $160 per hour. I would expect the cost to operate a Translohr vehicle to be closer to an electric trolley bus than a streetcar.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 06:56 PM   #88
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That is a false statement. Of the 4 new lines being built, only one is Translohr, the rest will be conventional trams.

The installation in Saint-Denis is costing around 52.7 million per km to build compared to 42.5 million for the T3 tramway. Cost is definitely not an advantage of the Translohr, as many cities in Europe have built tramways for around 30m/km. Capacity is most definitely a concern with the vehicles, considering the cost of the vehicles.

There has to be a reason why Saint-Denis opted with what will be an orphan technology in a network of tram lines.
I have a good feeling, Saint-Denis opted with Translohr as means to give the company some business, and save jobs. The Ontario government brokered similar deals in the past with Orion Bus Industries, and the TTC.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 08:35 PM   #89
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I have a good feeling, Saint-Denis opted with Translohr as means to give the company some business, and save jobs. The Ontario government brokered similar deals in the past with Orion Bus Industries, and the TTC.
That's the only explanation. But there is a difference with the Orion buses you cites: Translohr is more expensive and has more disadvantages compared to tramways, especially in the long term: who can guarantee that in 2040, when vehicles will have to be replaced, Translohr will still be produced? This happened with TVR system: Caen is planning to demolish his line in the next 10 to 20 years, because Bombardier doesn't produce the TVR vehicles anymore (at a reasonable price).

Anyway there are two Translohr lines under construction in Paris, T5 and T6. Another disadvantage is that Translohr line T5 will be near two tramway lines (T1 and T8), but it will have to be operated separately: double depots, but especially double workshops. I know this happens already with T2 and T3, which are not physycally connected having two different loading gauges, but this is not a reason to continue making mistakes.

Map: http://carto.metro.free.fr/tram-paris/
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Old April 3rd, 2011, 07:25 PM   #90
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via Colombo

(C) @ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...ia_colombo.jpg

Translohr @ terminus Sernaglia

(C) @ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...lia_mestre.jpg

via C Rossa

(C) @ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...%A0_rossa1.jpg

via C Rossa

(C) @ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...am_mestre3.jpg

via San Don

(C) @ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...don%C3%A0_.jpg

via San Don

(C) @ http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...%C3%A01145.jpg
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 12:00 AM   #91
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On 12 Sep 2014 the extension of the Mestre tram (Translohr) opened from Sernaglia to Panorama. This extension includes an underground station at the railroad station. This may be the first underground tram stop in Italy.

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Old September 17th, 2014, 06:32 AM   #93
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Photos from wikipedia user Luca F.:


source: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:So...hr_mestre.jpeg


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Old September 17th, 2014, 07:55 AM   #94
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This may be the first underground tram stop in Italy.
Maybe What about tram-stop under Stura FS - Station in Torino?
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Old September 15th, 2015, 05:08 PM   #95
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Tomorrow, new L2 translohr line will reach Venice for the first time ever. Literally. Updated map from urbanrail.net:

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Interesting. The translohr track is built into an expressway that connects Venice to the mainland. Trams will be sharing the expressways with cars.
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Old September 20th, 2015, 06:08 PM   #97
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"Tram Translohr in direzione Venezia" di Luca F. - Opera propria. Con licenza CC BY-SA 4.0 tramite Wikimedia Commons - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...ne_Venezia.jpg
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A blog post about water buses in Venice

http://milesonthembta.blogspot.com/2...ter-buses.html
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Old July 23rd, 2016, 06:18 PM   #99
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Some recent Venice Videos by Timosha21


Rubber-tyred tram in Venice, Italy - Rete tranviaria di Venezia 2016






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