Railway development in Karnataka

[Krishnamoorthy K]

ಮೆಟ್ರೊಗಿಂತ ವೇಗ, ಕಡಿಮೆ ಪ್ರಯಾಣ ದರ

ಪ್ರಜಾವಾಣಿ ವಾರ್ತೆ ಎನ್.ಸಿದ್ದೇಗೌಡ



ಬೆಂಗಳೂರು: ರಾಜಧಾನಿ ಮತ್ತು ಸುತ್ತಮುತ್ತಲಿನ ನಗರಗಳ ನಡುವೆ ಮೆಟ್ರೊ ರೈಲಿಗಿಂತ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ವೇಗ ಮತ್ತು ಕಡಿಮೆ ಪ್ರಯಾಣ ದರದಲ್ಲಿ ಸಂಚರಿಸಬಹುದಾದ `ಪ್ರಯಾಣಿಕ ರೈಲು ಸೇವೆ` (ಕಮ್ಯುಟರ್ ರೈಲ್ ಸರ್ವೀಸ್) ಎಂಬ ಮಹತ್ವಾಕಾಂಕ್ಷೆಯ ಯೋಜನೆಯೊಂದನ್ನು ರಾಜ್ಯ ಸರ್ಕಾರದ ನಗರ ಭೂ ಸಾರಿಗೆ ನಿರ್ದೇಶನಾಲಯವು (ಡಲ್ಟ್) ರೂಪಿಸಿದೆ.

ಮುಂಬೈ, ಚೆನ್ನೈ ಮಹಾನಗರಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಜನಪ್ರಿಯವಾಗಿರುವ ಸ್ಥಳೀಯ ರೈಲು ಅಥವಾ ನಗರ ರೈಲು ಸಾರಿಗೆ ಮಾದರಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಈ ಯೋಜನೆಯನ್ನು ರೂಪಿಸಲಾಗಿದೆ. ಇದಕ್ಕೆ ಭಾರಿ ಮೊತ್ತದ ಬಂಡವಾಳವೇನೂ ಬೇಕಿಲ್ಲ. ಅತಿ ಕಡಿಮೆ ಅವಧಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಅಂದರೆ ಎರಡು ವರ್ಷಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಈ ಯೋಜನೆಯನ್ನು ಸಂಪೂರ್ಣವಾಗಿ ಕಾರ್ಯಗತಗೊಳಿಸಬಹುದಾಗಿದೆ.

ಈಗಾಗಲೇ ಇರುವ ರೈಲ್ವೆ ಮೂಲ ಸೌಕರ್ಯವನ್ನು ಬಳಸಿಕೊಂಡು ಮಹಾನಗರದ ಒಳಭಾಗ ಹಾಗೂ ಹೊಸೂರು, ಬಂಗಾರಪೇಟೆ, ಚಿಕ್ಕಬಳ್ಳಾಪುರ, ತುಮಕೂರು, ಮಂಡ್ಯ ಮೊದಲಾದ ನಗರಗಳ ನಡುವೆ ಒಟ್ಟು 405 ಕಿಲೋ ಮೀಟರ್ ಉದ್ದದ ರೈಲ್ವೆ ಸೌಕರ್ಯ ಕಲ್ಪಿಸುವ ಯೋಜನೆ ಇದಾಗಿದೆ.

`ಡಲ್ಟ್`ಗಾಗಿ ಯೋಜನೆಯ ಕರಡು ವರದಿಯನ್ನು ಕೇಂದ್ರ ಸರ್ಕಾರದ `ರೈಲ್ ಇಂಡಿಯಾ ಟೆಕ್ನಿಕಲ್ ಮತ್ತು ಎಂಜಿನಿಯರಿಂಗ್ ಸರ್ವೀಸಸ್` (ರೈಟ್ಸ್) ಕಂಪೆನಿಯು ಈಗಾಗಲೇ ಸಿದ್ಧಪಡಿಸಿದೆ. ಯೋಜನೆಯ ಅಂತಿಮ ವರದಿಯನ್ನು ಕಂಪೆನಿಯು ಆಗಸ್ಟ್ ಮೊದಲ ವಾರದಲ್ಲಿ ಸಲ್ಲಿಸುವ ನಿರೀಕ್ಷೆ ಇದೆ.

139 ಪುಟಗಳ ಕರಡು ವರದಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರಯಾಣಿಕ ರೈಲು ಸೇವೆಯನ್ನು ಆರಂಭಿಸಬೇಕಾದ ಅಗತ್ಯವನ್ನು ಅಂಕಿ ಅಂಶಗಳ ಸಹಿತ ಪ್ರತಿಪಾದಿಸಲಾಗಿದೆ.

ಮಹಾನಗರದ ಒಳಗೆ ಮತ್ತು ಹೊರವಲಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಮನೆಯಿಂದ ಕೆಲಸದ ಸ್ಥಳ ಅಥವಾ ಕಾಲೇಜುಗಳಿಗೆ ಹೋಗಿ ಬರುವವರಿಗಾಗಿ `ಪ್ರಯಾಣಿಕ ರೈಲು ಸೇವೆ`ಯು ಅತ್ಯಂತ ಅಗ್ಗದ ಮತ್ತು ವಿಶ್ವಾಸಾರ್ಹ ಸಾರಿಗೆ ಸೌಕರ್ಯವಾಗಲಿದೆ. ಉದ್ದೇಶಿತ ಪ್ರಯಾಣಿಕ ರೈಲುಗಳು 70ರಿಂದ 100 ಕಿ.ಮೀ. ದೂರದ ಸ್ಥಳಗಳಿಂದ ನಾಗರಿಕರನ್ನು ಮಹಾನಗರಕ್ಕೆ ಒಂದರಿಂದ ಒಂದೂವರೆ ಗಂಟೆ ಅವಧಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ತಲುಪಿಸಲಿವೆ ಅಥವಾ ಮಹಾನಗರದಿಂದ ಅವರವರ ಸ್ಥಳಗಳಿಗೆ ಕರೆದೊಯ್ಯಲಿವೆ.

ಯೋಜನೆ ಪೂರ್ಣಗೊಂಡರೆ ಎಲ್ಲ ಮಾರ್ಗಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರತಿ 5ರಿಂದ 10 ನಿಮಿಷಕ್ಕೆ ಒಂದರಂತೆ ರೈಲುಗಳು ದಿನದ 24 ಗಂಟೆಗಳ ಕಾಲವೂ ಸಂಚರಿಸಲಿವೆ.

ಮಹಾನಗರದಲ್ಲಿ ಸಂಚಾರ ದಟ್ಟಣೆ ಕಡಿಮೆ ಮಾಡಲು ರಸ್ತೆ ವಿಸ್ತರಣೆ, ಸಿಗ್ನಲ್ ಮುಕ್ತ ಸಂಚಾರ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆ, ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಬಸ್*ಗಳ ಸಂಚಾರ, `ನಮ್ಮ ಮೆಟ್ರೊ` ಮತ್ತು ಮಾನೊ ರೈಲು ಯೋಜನೆಗಳ ಜಾರಿ- ಮೊದಲಾದ ಪ್ರಯತ್ನಗಳನ್ನು ಮಾಡಲಾಗುತ್ತಿದೆ. ಸದ್ಯ ಮಹಾನಗರ ಸಾರಿಗೆ ಸಂಸ್ಥೆಯ ಬಸ್*ಗಳು ಪ್ರತಿ ದಿನ 45 ಲಕ್ಷ ಪ್ರಯಾಣಿಕರನ್ನು ಒಂದೆಡೆಯಿಂದ ಮತ್ತೊಂದೆಡೆ ಸಾಗಿಸುತ್ತಿವೆ. ಲಕ್ಷಾಂತರ ಪ್ರಯಾಣಿಕರನ್ನು ಸಾಗಿಸುವ ಸಾಮರ್ಥ್ಯವಿರುವುದು ರೈಲ್ವೆ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಗೆ ಮಾತ್ರ.

ಮಹಾನಗರದ ಒಳಭಾಗದಲ್ಲಿರುವ 4 ದಿಕ್ಕುಗಳಲ್ಲಿರುವ ರೈಲು ಮಾರ್ಗಗಳನ್ನು ವರ್ತುಲ ರೈಲ್ವೆ ಮಾರ್ಗದ ಮೂಲಕ ಜೋಡಿಸಬಹುದು. ಇದರಿಂದ ನಗರದ ಒಳಗೂ ರೈಲ್ವೆ ಸೌಕರ್ಯ ದೊರಕಲಿದೆ.

ಯೋಜನೆಯ ಹಿನ್ನೆಲೆ: ವೇಗವಾಗಿ ಬೆಳೆಯುತ್ತಿರುವ ಬೆಂಗಳೂರಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಸಮಗ್ರ ಸಂಚಾರ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಗಾಗಿ 2011ರಲ್ಲಿ ವಿಲ್ಬರ್ ಸ್ಮಿತ್ ಅಸೋಸಿಯೇಟ್ಸ್ ಮತ್ತು ರೈಟ್ಸ್ ಕಂಪೆನಿಯಿಂದ ಎರಡು ಪ್ರತ್ಯೇಕ `ಮಾಸ್ಟರ್ ಪ್ಲಾನ್`ಗಳನ್ನು ಸಿದ್ಧಪಡಿಸಲಾಗಿತ್ತು.

ವಿಲ್ಬರ್ ಸ್ಮಿತ್ ಅಸೋಸಿಯೇಟ್ಸ್, ಬೆಂಗಳೂರು ಮಹಾನಗರ ಪ್ರದೇಶ ವ್ಯಾಪ್ತಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಸಮಗ್ರ ಸಂಚಾರ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಗಾಗಿ 21 ವರ್ಷಗಳ ಅವಧಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ವಿವಿಧ ಹಂತಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಕೈಗೊಳ್ಳಬೇಕಾದ ರೂ 73,000 ಕೋಟಿಗಳ ಬೃಹತ್ ಯೋಜನೆ ರೂಪಿ ಸಿತ್ತು. ಇಷ್ಟು ಭಾರಿ ಪ್ರಮಾಣದ ಯೋಜನೆಯಾದರೂ ಅದರಲ್ಲಿ `ಪ್ರಯಾಣಿಕ ರೈಲು ಸೇವೆ`ಯ ಪ್ರಸ್ತಾಪವೇ ಇರಲಿಲ್ಲ.

ಬೆಂಗಳೂರು ಅಭಿವೃದ್ಧಿ ಪ್ರಾಧಿಕಾರದ ವ್ಯಾಪ್ತಿಯನ್ನು ಗಮನದಲ್ಲಿಟ್ಟುಕೊಂಡು ಅಧ್ಯಯನ ನಡೆಸಿದ ರೈಟ್ಸ್ ಕಂಪೆನಿಯು 161 ಕಿ.ಮೀ. ಉದ್ದದ `ಪ್ರಯಾಣಿಕ ರೈಲು ಸೇವೆ`ಯ ಯೋಜನೆಯನ್ನು ಶಿಫಾರಸು ಮಾಡಿತ್ತು.

ಬೆಂಗಳೂರು ವೇಗವಾಗಿ ಬೆಳವಣಿಗೆ ಹೊಂದುತ್ತಿರುವುದನ್ನು ಗಮನಿಸಿದ `ಡಲ್ಟ್`, ಮತ್ತೊಂದು ವಿಸ್ತೃತ ವರದಿ ಸಲ್ಲಿಸುವಂತೆ ಸೂಚಿಸಿತ್ತು. ಅದರಂತೆ ರೈಟ್ಸ್ ಕಂಪೆನಿಯು ಜೂನ್ ತಿಂಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಕರಡು ವರದಿಯನ್ನು ಸಲ್ಲಿಸಿದೆ.

ಪ್ರಜಾವಾಣಿ

[mangalore mania]

Looks like new Netravathi Bridge has been Opened for traffic, Akhilesh Batt has posted a picture of it
Description by Akhilesh Bhatt(The actual Photographer) Uploaded in Flickr

Old and New Netravati bridge captured in a single frame. Taken onboard Kannur Passenger !k

Source Flickr By Akhilesh Bhatt

[hundikamath]

Originally Posted by gentem

I am doing all this for good of our state only. railways means spoiling environment. I would oppose bangalore-chamarajnagar railway line anyday as there is already trains between those cities. And whitefield-kolar, chikmagalur-sakleshpur lines. Using railways instead of lorries is like using bus for home use instead of cars.. There is not enough demand in south india, because loading unloading into train is waste of time. Mangalore-bangalore distance is less than half the average distance as told in above article...

I am not sure how railways spoil the environment and lorries do good to environment.. Entire NH48 and NH17 was spoiled because of lorries.. Trains are most efficient mode of transport to carry the Freight.. even in countries like US where trains are not that popular as passanger carriers they are are still used to carry goods.. It is the railway passangers who spoil the environment..

Whitefiled-Kolar is not enough .. the Railway line should be Whitefiled-Kolar-Chittor railway line.. which can connect Tirupati to Bangalore.. and eventually provide the shorter distance to east coast. If this line is implemented no need to have Srinivaspur-Madanapalle Railway line.

Chikmagalur-sakleshpur helps getting Belur-Halebid on the railway map..which can boost tourism.. Also may provide a shorter distance to mangalore from Bellary..

Bangalore-Chamrajnagar railway line can connect Kanakpur to bangalore.. which I am sure a future Satellite town for ever growing bangalore city.. Bangalore -kanakpur line also form part of the circular line.. In addition Somnathpur and Shivanasamudra and talakdau will have Railway access as Bangalore-Chamrajnagar railway line will pass through Bannuru which is close to all these places.. This railway line allso will pass through T-narsipur which is just 20 km away from Mysore.. so a alternate railway line to Maysore is also possible.. So there is potential.. I am not sure why you are opposing these..

[hemanth1987]

Originally Posted by mangalore mania

Looks like new Netravathi Bridge has been Opened for traffic, Akhilesh Batt has posted a picture of it
Description by Akhilesh Bhatt(The actual Photographer) Uploaded in Flickr




Source Flickr By Akhilesh Bhatt

Was waiting to see thge new one. I had travelled on old bridge many Times. Even though on the opening day of new bridge i was in manglore i couldnt make as trains were running late by 4 to 5hours.
Thanks for this beautifukl pic. I would request u to take pic of both bridges standing on Road Bridge.

[sunder.k]

Originally Posted by gentem

I am doing all this for good of our state only. railways means spoiling environment. I would oppose bangalore-chamarajnagar railway line anyday as there is already trains between those cities. And whitefield-kolar, chikmagalur-sakleshpur lines. Using railways instead of lorries is like using bus for home use instead of cars.. There is not enough demand in south india, because loading unloading into train is waste of time. Mangalore-bangalore distance is less than half the average distance as told in above article...

You should appreciate that railways are the least polluting mode of transport. So where is the question of spoiling environment? Also, right now you might think that these projects are a waste. But they will be a necessity in 5 yrs' time. We had lot of so called underutilized railway lines across bangalore. Now, with these railway lines only is the govt contemplating commuter rail. If we had not had them, imagine the plight of Bangalore traffic in 3 years down the line.

Also, friends( like Devaraj), pl dont attack personally. We are discussing issues and not personalities.

[sunder.k]

At Tiruchirappalli-


JTBS issues unreserved tickets for any destination in the country

Jan Sadharan Ticket Booking Sewaks (JTBS), which act as the franchisee of the Railways for issuing current tickets, has come to stay in the city. The JTBS of late is enjoying good patronage here.

The serpentine queues in front of current ticket booking counters always cause anxiety to commuters. The JTBS has lessened burden for the Railways and passengers to a considerable extent.

The Railway Board introduced this concept under the banner ‘queue less counters’ to do away with the queue system at railway stations and to help last- minute travellers without a reserved ticket.

JTBS issues unreserved tickets for any destination in the country and for this service they charge one rupee extra over and above the ticket fare.

“The response has been good and we sell more than 350 tickets daily,” says S. M. Sathik Batcha, running the JTBS near Tiruchi junction. “I have many regular customers, including construction workers who visit the city from the nearby villages, and they get the tickets across the counter without difficulty. The demand is for four trains – Mayiladuthurai passenger, Karur passenger, Dindigul passenger and Vridachalam passenger – all originating from Tiruchi junction between 5.45 p.m. and 6.15 p.m.

On Friday evenings, queue could be seen in front of the JTBS run by Mr. Batcha.

It is the time when students and office-goers from other towns and staying in hostels in the city leave for their destinations for weekend .

Many feel that Railways should take more steps for creating awareness of this concept.

-------We should have a few of them nearby bigger railway station------

[mangalore mania]

Originally Posted by hemanth1987

Was waiting to see thge new one. I had travelled on old bridge many Times. Even though on the opening day of new bridge i was in manglore i couldnt make as trains were running late by 4 to 5hours.
Thanks for this beautifukl pic. I would request u to take pic of both bridges standing on Road Bridge.

It is one of the strange type of bridge.
This has few span of Metal structures, few of just metal beams and most of with concrete spans..
Hope somebody who saw the bridge can describe this better..

[gentem]

Originally Posted by hundikamath

I am not sure how railways spoil the environment and lorries do good to environment.. Entire NH48 and NH17 was spoiled because of lorries.. Trains are most efficient mode of transport to carry the Freight.. even in countries like US where trains are not that popular as passanger carriers they are are still used to carry goods.. It is the railway passangers who spoil the environment..

Whitefiled-Kolar is not enough .. the Railway line should be Whitefiled-Kolar-Chittor railway line.. which can connect Tirupati to Bangalore.. and eventually provide the shorter distance to east coast. If this line is implemented no need to have Srinivaspur-Madanapalle Railway line.

Chikmagalur-sakleshpur helps getting Belur-Halebid on the railway map..which can boost tourism.. Also may provide a shorter distance to mangalore from Bellary.. unless you run 20 trains on a line daily a railway line is harmful to local economy.

Bangalore-Chamrajnagar railway line can connect Kanakpur to bangalore.. which I am sure a future Satellite town for ever growing bangalore city.. Bangalore -kanakpur line also form part of the circular line.. In addition Somnathpur and Shivanasamudra and talakdau will have Railway access as Bangalore-Chamrajnagar railway line will pass through Bannuru which is close to all these places.. This railway line allso will pass through T-narsipur which is just 20 km away from Mysore.. so a alternate railway line to Maysore is also possible.. So there is potential.. I am not sure why you are opposing these..

Originally Posted by sunder.k

You should appreciate that railways are the least polluting mode of transport. So where is the question of spoiling environment? Also, right now you might think that these projects are a waste. But they will be a necessity in 5 yrs' time. We had lot of so called underutilized railway lines across bangalore. Now, with these railway lines only is the govt contemplating commuter rail. If we had not had them, imagine the plight of Bangalore traffic in 3 years down the line.

Also, friends( like Devaraj), pl dont attack personally. We are discussing issues and not personalities.

railways fragments the wildlife habitat. animal corridors are cut off. smaller the area more chance that the species go extinct. western ghats including male mahadeshwara betta upto bannerghatta is one of the biggest undivided forests in whole country. in the name of developement, that is very less helped by railways, we should not irreversibly damage the environment lorry smoke causes much less damage compared to the fragmentation and havoc railways creates for the wildlife, which will harm the ecological balance in forests.


http://ekalawya.com/?p=2470

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Another misconception is railways will improve economy, but that is very less compared to damage it does. It even breaks roads with level crossings, new road construction is harmed because of railway line.

[KMFS]

Originally Posted by gentem

railways fragments the wildlife habitat. animal corridors are cut off. smaller the area more chance that the species go extinct. western ghats including male mahadeshwara betta upto bannerghatta is one of the biggest undivided forests in whole country. in the name of developement, that is very less helped by railways, we should not irreversibly damage the environment lorry smoke causes much less damage compared to the fragmentation and havoc railways creates for the wildlife, which will harm the ecological balance in forests.

Another misconception is railways will improve economy, but that is very less compared to damage it does. It even breaks roads with level crossings, new road construction is harmed because of railway line.

Development is more important for Human than Animals. We should go Talaguppa-Honnavar Railway Line. (other projects in others district some people don't care for Environment and Animals only when its come to Shimoga project, they rise issue of Environment = Double Standard).

[DrYaqoob]

Originally Posted by KMFS

Development is more important for Human than Animals. We should go Talaguppa-Honnavar Railway Line. (other projects in others district some people don't care for Environment and Animals only when its come to Shimoga project, they rise issue of Environment = Double Standard).

+1

Same with Hubli-Ankola Railway line.....Which is lying in the shelf for more than 2 decades.

[devaraju]

Originally Posted by gentem

railways fragments the wildlife habitat. animal corridors are cut off. smaller the area more chance that the species go extinct. western ghats including male mahadeshwara betta upto bannerghatta is one of the biggest undivided forests in whole country. in the name of developement, that is very less helped by railways, we should not irreversibly damage the environment lorry smoke causes much less damage compared to the fragmentation and havoc railways creates for the wildlife, which will harm the ecological balance in forests.


http://ekalawya.com/?p=2470

Bigger image
http://keystone-foundation.org/weste...-google-earth/

Another misconception is railways will improve economy, but that is very less compared to damage it does. It even breaks roads with level crossings, new road construction is harmed because of railway line.

If we need development, we have to loose something... i am not against Western Ghats damage and wildlife extinction.

railways need just a small piece of land to lay the tracks, but roads need a vast area to construct four lane highway, where the damage is more compared to railways.

And vehicles which emit harmful toxic emissions will harm animals more than the humans.

This is the first time i am hearing that Railways will harm ecological balance in forests, if this was the case, MoEF would not have given approval for laying BG line from Sakleshpur-Mangalore. And also, you may also know, how thick is braganza ghats.

That's why karnataka have less number of railway networks compared to other states in the southern region.

[gentem]

Originally Posted by devaraju

If we need development, we have to loose something... i am not against Western Ghats damage and wildlife extinction.

railways need just a small piece of land to lay the tracks, but roads need a vast area to construct four lane highway, where the damage is more compared to railways.

And vehicles which emit harmful toxic emissions will harm animals more than the humans.

This is the first time i am hearing that Railways will harm ecological balance in forests, if this was the case, MoEF would not have given approval for laying BG line from Sakleshpur-Mangalore. And also, you may also know, how thick is braganza ghats.

That's why karnataka have less number of railway networks compared to other states in the southern region.

Railway line is much much more harmful than road, as roads can take sharp curves and steep gradients. So you have to cut the forest much more for a railway line, and railway lines hardly go in ground level, they either cut or elevated by pouring soil, as they cant go as steep as road. So roads are not much harmful to animals, or soil erosion etc are much less in roads than railway.

if you think of whole india instead of comparing statewise, there is natural topographic gap in western ghats near coimbatore where double lines are there. Otherwise big gap between mangalore line and salem line than between magalore-goa gap. And much more gap between goa and pune lines (see map) cutting western ghats. In fact demanding hubli-ankola, or talguppa honnavar line is very greedy compared to other lines demanded. Still TN people are opposing chamarajnagar line despite that would have helped coimbatore and madurai people to reach bangalore faster, we should learn from them

Originally Posted by gentem

yes. hubli-londa-goa is straight line, and will be doubled soon. so we want hubli-londa-karwar-mangalore train this will put end to hubli ankola demand


karnataka railway map
http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/ind...RE%20Map-2.pdf
http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/ind...elec/index.jsp


OR, see brilliant idea, there is mangalore- vascodagama passenger(56640/56641) train, extend it to dharwad/hubli

When they start bangalore-talguppa train people around that area can use that, and people will stop demanding talguppa-honnavar line

[devaraju]

Originally Posted by gentem

Railway line is much much more harmful than road, as roads can take sharp curves and steep gradients. So you have to cut the forest much more for a railway line, and railway lines hardly go in ground level, they either cut or elevated by pouring soil, as they cant go as steep as road. So roads are not much harmful to animals, or soil erosion etc are much less in roads than railway.

if you think of whole india instead of comparing statewise, there is natural topographic gap in western ghats near coimbatore where double lines are there. Otherwise big gap between mangalore line and salem line than between magalore-goa gap. And much more gap between goa and pune lines (see map) cutting western ghats. In fact demanding hubli-ankola, or talguppa honnavar line is very greedy compared to other lines demanded. Still TN people are opposing chamarajnagar line despite that would have helped coimbatore and madurai people to reach bangalore faster, we should learn from them




When they start bangalore-talguppa train people around that area can use that, and people will stop demanding talguppa-honnavar line

By your above comments, anyone can understand that you are against the development in karnataka.

We will conduct a survey in this forum, how many of them oppose Hubli-Ankola, Mysore-Madikeri, Mysore-Chamarajnagar, Talguppa-Honnavar lines. Lets see how many negative votes we get.

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[Krishnamoorthy K]

Originally Posted by gentem

I am doing all this for good of our state only. railways means spoiling environment. I would oppose bangalore-chamarajnagar railway line anyday as there is already trains between those cities. And whitefield-kolar, chikmagalur-sakleshpur lines. Using railways instead of lorries is like using bus for home use instead of cars.. There is not enough demand in south india, because loading unloading into train is waste of time. Mangalore-bangalore distance is less than half the average distance as told in above article...

If everything has to be demand based then we will have only male population in India very shortly as there is huge demand for boys.

What we need is a vision for creation of demand. Car use is not compulsory. More than 75% of people of India are not demanding for cars but for better connectivity through buses. What is happening in India is instead of spending money on growth of mass transportation the government is wasting money for creation of facilities for upper class car owners in the form of widening roads by cutting tress, converting gardens into car parking places, on subsidy for car parking (on valuable government lands free parking also allowed), subsidy on diesel and petrol. Every widened road will result in consumption of more land - residential land is used for roads, in turn farm land is converted to residences resulting in conversion of forest land to farmland. If this goes on soon there will not be any forest left out for our future generation.

Even trucks are welcome to use railway services.

Roll On - Roll Off Services

Benefits of RORO services : -

• RORO services save precious fuel for the nation.
• Speed of Ro-Ro train is fast enough as compared to movement by Road
• Terminal time of loading/unloading is just 15 to 20 minutes in Ro-Ro.
• Better turnaround of trucks.
• No risk of accidents
• No wear and tear of trucks
• Less pollution as trucks are not plying on the roads.
• Tariff is competitive to sustain the market forces.
• No hassle of octroi, toll etc.
• No detentions at terminals
• No paper work

Roll On Roll Off service is presently available between the following points :

• Kolad (145 kms. from Mumbai) and Verna (12 kms. from Madgaon)
• Verna and Surathkal (20 kms. from Manglore)
• Kolad and Suratkal
• Ankola and Surathkal

[Krishnamoorthy K]

Originally Posted by gentem

Railway line is much much more harmful than road, as roads can take sharp curves and steep gradients. So you have to cut the forest much more for a railway line, and railway lines hardly go in ground level, they either cut or elevated by pouring soil, as they cant go as steep as road. So roads are not much harmful to animals, or soil erosion etc are much less in roads than railway.

Mangaluru-Hasana distance

Road 160 KM.
Railway 188 KM

Not much difference. This will be the case even after Shiradighat tunnel road.

Moreover there are enough tunnels to save forests.

if you think of whole india instead of comparing statewise, there is natural topographic gap in western ghats near coimbatore where double lines are there. Otherwise big gap between mangalore line and salem line than between magalore-goa gap. And much more gap between goa and pune lines (see map) cutting western ghats. In fact demanding hubli-ankola, or talguppa honnavar line is very greedy compared to other lines demanded. Still TN people are opposing chamarajnagar line despite that would have helped coimbatore and madurai people to reach bangalore faster, we should learn from them

When they start bangalore-talguppa train people around that area can use that, and people will stop demanding talguppa-honnavar line

The gaps mentioned by you are not understandable as the colour marking on picture is not readable.

[devaraju]

http://www.prajavaniepaper.com/svww_...719a_009100007

[sunder.k]

Originally Posted by gentem

Railway line is much much more harmful than road, as roads can take sharp curves and steep gradients. So you have to cut the forest much more for a railway line, and railway lines hardly go in ground level, they either cut or elevated by pouring soil, as they cant go as steep as road. So roads are not much harmful to animals, or soil erosion etc are much less in roads than railway.

if you think of whole india instead of comparing statewise, there is natural topographic gap in western ghats near coimbatore where double lines are there. Otherwise big gap between mangalore line and salem line than between magalore-goa gap. And much more gap between goa and pune lines (see map) cutting western ghats. In fact demanding hubli-ankola, or talguppa honnavar line is very greedy compared to other lines demanded. Still TN people are opposing chamarajnagar line despite that would have helped coimbatore and madurai people to reach bangalore faster, we should learn from them




When they start bangalore-talguppa train people around that area can use that, and people will stop demanding talguppa-honnavar line

If only Talaguppa-Honnavara were connected, it would have saved precious fuel and prevented consequent irrepairable damage to the environment in the form of emissions from trucks going from Shimoga/Davanagere/Bhadravati industrial belts.

The damage caused to environment by vehicular emissions is much more when compared to the damage caused by cutting down a few trees( which anyway can be replenished by planting more of them) for laying a railway track.
Also, as rightly pointed out by someone, the width of a rail road is definitely smaller than that of a road at any point of time and hence less damage to the environment( if in case you are planning a road instead of rail)

I wish Gentem stands on the cable stayed bridge at K.R.Puram in Bengaluru early morning and looks towards the city - you can find the black cloud of carbon emissions floating in the air( essentially from vehicular exhaust).

For a country with a high population density, we should embark on using more of rail than road.

Any day, the damage caused by laying roads and thereafter using an automobile to ply is much worse that laying a railway and running a train.

[devaraju]

Originally Posted by sunder.k

If only Talaguppa-Honnavara were connected, it would have saved precious fuel and prevented consequent irrepairable damage to the environment in the form of emissions from trucks going from Shimoga/Davanagere/Bhadravati industrial belts.

The damage caused to environment by vehicular emissions is much more when compared to the damage caused by cutting down a few trees( which anyway can be replenished by planting more of them) for laying a railway track.
Also, as rightly pointed out by someone, the width of a rail road is definitely smaller than that of a road at any point of time and hence less damage to the environment( if in case you are planning a road instead of rail)

I wish Gentem stands on the cable stayed bridge at K.R.Puram in Bengaluru early morning and looks towards the city - you can find the black cloud of carbon emissions floating in the air( essentially from vehicular exhaust).

For a country with a high population density, we should embark on using more of rail than road.

Any day, the damage caused by laying roads and thereafter using an automobile to ply is much worse that laying a railway and running a train.

[RRaju]

Originally Posted by gentem

Railway line is much much more harmful than road, as roads can take sharp curves and steep gradients. So you have to cut the forest much more for a railway line, and railway lines hardly go in ground level, they either cut or elevated by pouring soil, as they cant go as steep as road. So roads are not much harmful to animals, or soil erosion etc are much less in roads than railway.

if you think of whole india instead of comparing statewise, there is natural topographic gap in western ghats near coimbatore where double lines are there. Otherwise big gap between mangalore line and salem line than between magalore-goa gap. And much more gap between goa and pune lines (see map) cutting western ghats. In fact demanding hubli-ankola, or talguppa honnavar line is very greedy compared to other lines demanded. Still TN people are opposing chamarajnagar line despite that would have helped coimbatore and madurai people to reach bangalore faster, we should learn from them


When they start bangalore-talguppa train people around that area can use that, and people will stop demanding talguppa-honnavar line

how will we be greedy if we demand hubli-ankola, or talguppa honnavar which helps North Karnataka/ Karnataka to develop into self sufficient regions.

Mysore - Madikeri line will also needs to extend to Mangaluru . we (KA) aren't indulging in other states development projects either directly or indirectly.

Everyone in South Knows which state is creating all the fuss , by putting pressure on central government. Had not been Jayanthi Natarajan who is current Environment , decks were already cleared by previous Jairam Ramesh to give the Green signal for Hubli- Ankola line. But now it is still under consideration.

The UNESCO Heritage Tag is also a Part of the conspiracy. which Karnataka public will do all the best , in protecting its right over Limited Infrastructure development like, Rail,Road,water streams/lines to Hinterland...... etc without have any permanent dwellings. we need not learn from others how to protect our own Heritage and ecological ecosystems.

Still TN people are opposing chamarajnagar line despite that would have helped coimbatore and madurai people to reach bangalore faster, we should learn from them

you have the answer, TN are in fear if they establish a link in the said route, then chennai will lose all the promience - as Most of crowd are from down south of TN who have settled in chennai for their jobs and lively hood.

The Future of TN is in Coimbatore in around Erode and coimbatore to enroute on Tirchy. Better they choose Tirchy for second Capital. Else DMK will divide the TN state in North TN to Stalin and South TN to Azhigiri.

[DrYaqoob]

`ಹುಬ್ಬಳ್ಳಿ- ಅಂಕೋಲಾ ರೈಲು ಮಾರ್ಗ; ಅಡಚಣೆ ನಿವಾರಣೆ `ಐಐಎಸ್*ಸಿ' ಶಿಫಾರಸಿಗೆ ಒಪ್ಪಿಗೆ
Good news for North Karnataka.....

It will boost Uttar Kannada Dist in terms of

Port Development (Karwar / Tadri /Honnavar) not to depend on Marmogoa / Mangalore for transportation

Tourism

Alternate Route to Goa / Mumbai / Mangalore / Kerala via Konkan Railway