NEW YORK CITY - Barclays Center (17,732)

[Andre_idol]

When I saw the exterior render I was hoping for some matching interior quality...didn´t happen.

[Benn]

Different architects, Ellerbe Becket did the main structure/interior and SHoP Architects did the exterior. As you can see one design team has talent and work ethic and the other.....

[Livno80101]

Really, awful interior. While exterior is fantastic. I like especially place for this arena, in those renders looks so futuristic.

Why is there such a "need" for many breaks in unit in this (and many other American) arena? Why? This would be awesome arena, maybe best in the world, if there were two bowls, with boxes and VIP sectors and restaurants and sh*it like that between bowls.

exterior - 9,5/10

interior - 3/10

[rockin'.baltimorean]

the brooklyn nets. that's gonna' take some time getting used to....

[Van der Rohe]

Originally Posted by Benn

Different architects, Ellerbe Becket did the main structure/interior and SHoP Architects did the exterior. As you can see one design team has talent and work ethic and the other.....

How is it possible that the exterior and interior are done by different architects??? Shouldn't the building have one architect responsible for all???

[Benn]

Ellerbe Becket had done the entire plan after the developer fired Frank Gehry. But there was such a big public outcry against the new design, which essentially plopped down a carbon copy of the Conseco Fieldhouse in Brooklyn (which works fine in Indy but would be awful at Atlantic and Flatbush). The developer then hired SHoP architects to essentially reclad the exterior and redo the front end completely.

Generally I would agree that a single firm should be responsible for a project, however in many large projects the interiors and exteriors are designed by separate teams that my collaborate some but its clear who is in control of what. Also in this case I think it was needed because Ellerbe had turned in such a tired rehash of an idea for an entirely different context.

[The Game Is Up]

Courtesy of Tectonic of WNY:

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Taken on Sept 19

Also, an article from http://www.archpaper.com/e-board_rev.asp?News_ID=4862

09.30.2010
New Front Yard for Atlantic Yards
SHoP unveils design for temporary plaza outside Barclays Center arena

The plaza is designed to accommodate a crisscrossing flow of pedestrians, including commuters headed into a new, green-roofed entrance to the Atlantic Transit Terminal Hub.
Courtesy SHoP Architects

While designs for the Barclays Center arena at Brooklyn’s Atlantic Yards have been public for a year, only on Tuesday did SHoP Architects and Forest City Ratner Companies release their plans for the temporary plaza that will become the project’s initial public calling card. A nearly 39,000-square-foot triangular shape formed by the intersection of Atlantic and Flatbush avenues, the plaza consists of a wide swath of open space, punctuated by a green-roofed entrance to the Atlantic Terminal Transit Hub, and two semicircles of planters inlaid with wooden benches at the plaza’s tip.
SHoP founding principal Gregg Pasquarelli explained that the space is designed to accommodate three primary types of circulation patterns: Commuters coming from the surrounding neighborhood to the transit center entrance, fans headed into the arena, and pedestrians cutting across the plaza between Atlantic and Flatbush avenues.

As seen from Flatbush Avenue, the plaza is ringed by planters at its tip, creating a semi-enclosed seating area.
“We tried to make the patterning of the pavement reflect circulation patterns,” Pasquarelli said, with the tightness of the concrete pavers reflecting the heaviness of expected foot traffic. Clusters of lights embedded in the paving will allow the plaza to be unobstructed by floodlights, which would also have affected the surrounding neighborhood, Pasquarelli said.
Toward the center of the plaza, the pavement extends upward to form a roof for the entrance to the transit hub. The roof will be planted with sedum, a hardy genus of flowering succulents, which SHoP predicts will complement the weathered steel on the arena’s facade. Unlike the Lincoln Center lawn, this one is strictly ornamental: A railing keeps visitors from clambering onto the roof.

Along Atlantic Avenue, the plaza is framed by the arena's swooping canopy and the transit center entrance.


The oculus itself offers a dynamic presence overhead and helps to animate the space.
The innermost part of the plaza will be shaded by a canopy cantilevered over the arena entrance, punctuated by a 117-by-56-foot oculus that allows light down into the plaza and frames views upward toward the structure. On the inside edge of the oculus, a programmable screen will be customized for games, events, and other activities.

Seen from Dean Street, the plaza, at far left, will eventually be home to one of the project's anticipated towers, becoming a glass-walled urban room at the tower's base.
The current design is intended to serve as a placeholder until economic conditions allow for the construction of the Atlantic Yards’ first office building. At that time, the portion of the plaza from the transit hub entrance to the arena will be enclosed in 80-foot-high glass walls, creating what the developers refer to as an “urban room,” with the office tower sitting on top. The team has not yet decided how the plaza will change when the office tower is added, but indicated that they hope to preserve many of its original design elements.

Julia Galef

[slipperydog]

Transit hub...So is there a current subway station already there or are they building it from scratch? How will it connect to the rest of the subway system?

[Bronxwood]

There is a major subway station already built nearby with about 9 subway lines and a long island railroad terminal. It's still not certain how it will all connect with Barclays center but it would be wise to build a tunnel connecting the two.

[nyrmetros]

looks horrendous

[zzibit]

guys any recent updates?

[metros11]

Originally Posted by zzibit

guys any recent updates?

I drove by on Saturday, not even going vertical yet.

[beanhead4529]

pics I took yesterday from the Atlantic Terminal:

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[spectre000]

From curbedny. Photos by Will Femia. The first steel arrived onsite today.



the rest can be seen at, http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/1...eel-erection-3

[spectre000]

By Tectonic, Dec 11th.

[scolls]

Originally Posted by Benn

In the same sense that the Conseco Fieldhouse can, with one whole end of the arena totally useless. It will have good sightlines for basketball, but won't be able to support more than a minor league hockey team.

And as far as track records go in terms of fan support a couple more Canadian teams would be beneficial. Who on earth decided it would be a good idea to put a team in Pheonix or Nashville?

The Phoenix Coyotes were originally the Winnipeg Jets. Winnipeg was the smallest market in the NHL. They couldn't afford to keep the team. Where in Canada do you propose we add a couple more teams? Winnipeg or Quebec City who proved they couldn't support an NHL franchise? Canada has a team in all of its major markets.

[scolls]

Originally Posted by TheEmpireCity

I'm hoping the Barclays Center turns out good from an architectural standpoint.

Also, I don't see the point in only seating 17, 18, or 19 thousand. IMO, this building should seat more around 25,000.

Why build a building knowing it would only be filled at 80% capacity? Owners are building smaller arenas so they can have 100% capacity crowds and drive up demand for tickets and increase ticket prices.

[DogCow]

Originally Posted by scolls

The Phoenix Coyotes were originally the Winnipeg Jets. Winnipeg was the smallest market in the NHL. They couldn't afford to keep the team. Where in Canada do you propose we add a couple more teams? Winnipeg or Quebec City who proved they couldn't support an NHL franchise? Canada has a team in all of its major markets.

And many non major markets. The problem in America is that every market wants pro sports but not every market can support it. The large market teams have to have someone to put in their buildings all those nights of the year because Yankees/Red Sox or Manchester United/Liverpool wouldn't be be a draw if it were on every night. So the large market teams might want to think about subsidizing small market teams (or profit sharing or cost containment) to make sure there is competition each night.

Then again, does a league need so many teams? Los Angeles is find without the NFL. Small market teams benefit from the threat to move to Portland, Kansas City or Oklahoma City they pit one city against another for public funding. There would be a completely different landscape if every arena had to be privately owned or the league owned all the venues.

There are a lot of bad markets in the United States. Moving and building a new arena isn't the answer. People will sit in an obstructed view seat without air conditioning getting splinters if they can see Larry Bird. A new arena lasts a couple of years and the novelty wears off. You can't build one every five years to keep your team.

It's always interesting to see a race between the Cleveland Browns, Baltimore Ravens and Indianapolis Colts. How do you keep all of that straight.

[The Game Is Up]

Originally Posted by scolls

The Phoenix Coyotes were originally the Winnipeg Jets. Winnipeg was the smallest market in the NHL. They couldn't afford to keep the team. Where in Canada do you propose we add a couple more teams? Winnipeg or Quebec City who proved they couldn't support an NHL franchise? Canada has a team in all of its major markets.

Hamilton, perhaps? But then the Sabres might have a problem with that.

[Calvin W]

Originally Posted by scolls

The Phoenix Coyotes were originally the Winnipeg Jets. Winnipeg was the smallest market in the NHL. They couldn't afford to keep the team. Where in Canada do you propose we add a couple more teams? Winnipeg or Quebec City who proved they couldn't support an NHL franchise? Canada has a team in all of its major markets.

15 years ago yes Winnipeg struggled as well as Quebec City, but both teams were a success in attendance playing to capacity crowds. If any cities deserve a NHL team it is Winnipeg and Quebec City. Teams inPhoenix are a joke, along with a few others. Nashville? Atlanta? (There is a proven city NOt deserving a team!)

NYC struggles to to support more than one NHL team. What percentage do the Devils and Islanders fill?