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jessejb · May 24th, 2012, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RMacherat

So .. how reclusive is he anyway? Just wondering aloud about how likely he would be missed ..

hahaha

Maybe I'll just aim my speakers at the wall and put on a similar techno song, invert the bass on my subwoofer and possibly cancel out the sound!

Ruffhauser · May 24th, 2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jessejb

Yeah its not even the music volume really. Just the repetitive nature of it. The same song for 15 hours a day. Just like the repetetive bongo and bucket drummers who have been doing the same beat for 5 years straight and are still entertained by their sound. Like a fly trying to get out through a closed window. Just bumping into it over and over and over...

Funny. I have some wingnut living next to me with a piano in his apartment and this clown plays "Bridge over Troubled Water" on what seems to be an endless tape loop.

Rogue Linguist · May 25th, 2012, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jessejb

Oh man. You guys havent LIVED until your reclusive neighbor who never sleeps decides to install speakers on your shared wall and get really into house techno music. I dont even need headphones anymore because all day long all I hear in my head is the same repetetive WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP WUMP.

SO AWESOME!!

I'd rather be kept awake by some sleek European dance music than the ugly top 40 hip hop crap Americans listen to. Just sayin'.

alexjonlin · May 25th, 2012, 08:42 AM

Nothing compared to when your roommate in a 13x13 ft triple dorm room gets into dubstep.

Matt the Engineer · May 25th, 2012, 06:21 PM

My read of Seattle's building code is that there's fairly good soundproofing required between units. Assuming that's actually happening (hopefully building inspectors are looking for this), is it enough? [Jesse], was your unit built within the past decade or so?

If we expect the future Seattle to be a dense city, we should be very careful about issues like this. It might not take many bad shared-wall experiences to make people drive out to the suburbs for peace and quiet.

This also brings up a potential retrofit market. Soundproofing shared walls wouldn't be tough for a condo unit, though you may lose a square foot or two.

jessejb · May 25th, 2012, 06:24 PM

My building was built in 1924. Its pretty good soundproofing-wise but bass speakers ON the wall make the difference.

jessejb · May 25th, 2012, 09:59 PM

I just got made fun of for like 15 minutes by my Bellevue, Queen Anne and Central District friends for not having a car. All because another buddy from Issaquah asked me about Bolt Bus. "blah blah I can drive to Portland whenever I want blah blah I can put stuff in my trunk blah blah I don't have to deal with homeless people blah blah third world modes of transportation..."

I'm going to cry in my champagne tonight and possibly ruin my custom suit if I keep thinking about this. I guess I'm just a poor investor for not leasing a shiny car in a neighborhood with a walk score of 100! This will distract me from planning my second, third and fourth fabulous vacation of the year...

mhays · May 25th, 2012, 10:12 PM

Amen brother. Not having a car can ratchet you way up on the economic scale!

jessejb · May 25th, 2012, 10:44 PM

Word! Thanks for the encouragement. Are there any articles about how not having a car is a kickass wealth strategy? (Not just those articles about how cars are more expensive than you think.)

mhays · May 25th, 2012, 11:57 PM

Not that I'm aware of. But they're out there.

It's pretty easy to make the case. Even with the cheapest car imaginable you'd be paying several thousand per year including Downtown/fringe parking. Whether you're just living free n easy or putting the whole thing to savings, the gist writes itself. "I don't have a car, which is why I can travel so much and still have money." Or "I don't have a car, so I'll be able to retire early."

If a cheap car plus Downtown parking is $7,000/year (which is below average per AAA), if you put $3,000/year extra to retirement (or a down payment), $2,000/year extra to centralized housing, and $2,000/year extra to having fun, that's a lot. In 30 years, when that retirement money has tripled even after inflation, you'll be very glad.

Hell, I'm glad every day. I'm a little over a mile from work, and once you factor in getting in and out of garages, one-way streets, jaywalking, etc., I might spend five extra minutes each way by walking. Meanwhile it also reduces how much time I need to spend officially "exercising" so it's a time-saver overall, even before the time people spend "for" their cars rather than just using them.

CrazyAboutCities · May 26th, 2012, 12:05 AM

I don't have car either. So you're not alone!

Honestly, I don't really see why I need one because we got excellent bus system here that gets me everywhere I need to be at on time. It saves me a couple thousand dollars a year by not having car. That helped me pay off my debts a while ago and currently building up my saving. Having a car can be stressful sometime only if your car got stolen or vandalized or break down which requires expensive repairs. Additionally, you will have to spend more time to find a spot to park your car and fill up the tank. Not worth my money and time.

Matt the Engineer · May 26th, 2012, 08:23 AM

http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2008/...ost-comparison

Though that's for an exurban commute.

RMacherat · May 26th, 2012, 08:58 AM

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Black Box · May 26th, 2012, 10:27 AM

I like this discussion. I currently have a car, but I don't drive it as often. Maybe a few times a week. I have a heavily subsidized ORCA Card that I use. I do pay for gas, insurance, tabs and maintenance. So far, I haven't paid for major maintenance because I just got this car. I walk a ton and run recreationally. I have an illogical want to drive whenever I feel like. Sometimes I just like to drive and that's when I plan out errands, etcetera. The saving money to travel and retire early arguments are compelling. I can see myself driving less and less, but I don't know when I'll be able to just give it up completely. I also live in the Inner CD, which means I can get around to most of what I need by bus or foot. I used to bike everywhere for the first three years of living here, but I don't enjoy bicycle commuting anymore. This is all.

LCIII · May 26th, 2012, 06:29 PM

Sounds like you should Zip Car instead of owning. Pay for what you use.

Doomgoggles · May 27th, 2012, 07:59 PM

I have two cars...I wish I could get rid of one. We should have a transit system that doesn't make you worry about being late all the time. I live in downtown Everett. I work in downtown Seattle. GF works in Redmond.

Everett to Seattle:
Car-only: 35-55 minutes
Sounder: 55 to 15 (walking and bus/drive to station)
ST510: 45 to 65+15 (walking and bus or drive to station)

If I rely on the ET 7 or 9 to get me to the station, it's about a 7 minute trip, but the headways are poor, and they don't sync up with the ST trips very well, adding more time.

Everett to Redmond? Forget about it. Fastest transit route makes you change buses at the Bellevue Transit Center...2 hours + when she can drive in one hour. Not ideal.

Should we live downtown? Of course! But we bought the house in Everett when we were both working up north. :\ Until the market improves, we're kinda tied down.

bgwah · May 27th, 2012, 08:13 PM

For me, it's a choice between a 20 minute drive or a two hour bus trip. Obviously I'm going go to drive.

LCIII · May 27th, 2012, 08:20 PM

That's why cars = freedom.

CrazyAboutCities · May 27th, 2012, 09:40 PM

It is depends on where you live in. Cars don't always give you the freedom you want. Stuck in traffic, struggle to find a spot to park, vehicle break down, and unable to drive during bad weather (e.i. snows). Having excellent transit system can give you more freedom than cars can.

May 26th, 2012, 08:58 AM	#2033
RMacherat Buy used books Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,699 Likes (Received): 80	cancel Last edited by RMacherat; May 26th, 2012 at 09:00 AM. Reason: Did not contribute

May 26th, 2012, 10:27 AM	#2035
Black Box Black Box Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 902 Likes (Received): 25	I like this discussion. I currently have a car, but I don't drive it as often. Maybe a few times a week. I have a heavily subsidized ORCA Card that I use. I do pay for gas, insurance, tabs and maintenance. So far, I haven't paid for major maintenance because I just got this car. I walk a ton and run recreationally. I have an illogical want to drive whenever I feel like. Sometimes I just like to drive and that's when I plan out errands, etcetera. The saving money to travel and retire early arguments are compelling. I can see myself driving less and less, but I don't know when I'll be able to just give it up completely. I also live in the Inner CD, which means I can get around to most of what I need by bus or foot. I used to bike everywhere for the first three years of living here, but I don't enjoy bicycle commuting anymore. This is all. __________________ mountains water city water mountains

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May 25th, 2012, 08:42 AM	#2024
alexjonlin Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,248 Likes (Received): 82	Nothing compared to when your roommate in a 13x13 ft triple dorm room gets into dubstep.

May 25th, 2012, 06:21 PM	#2025
Matt the Engineer Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,078 Likes (Received): 88	My read of Seattle's building code is that there's fairly good soundproofing required between units. Assuming that's actually happening (hopefully building inspectors are looking for this), is it enough? [Jesse], was your unit built within the past decade or so? If we expect the future Seattle to be a dense city, we should be very careful about issues like this. It might not take many bad shared-wall experiences to make people drive out to the suburbs for peace and quiet. This also brings up a potential retrofit market. Soundproofing shared walls wouldn't be tough for a condo unit, though you may lose a square foot or two.

May 25th, 2012, 06:24 PM	#2026
jessejb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,692 Likes (Received): 104	My building was built in 1924. Its pretty good soundproofing-wise but bass speakers ON the wall make the difference.

May 25th, 2012, 09:59 PM	#2027
jessejb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,692 Likes (Received): 104	I just got made fun of for like 15 minutes by my Bellevue, Queen Anne and Central District friends for not having a car. All because another buddy from Issaquah asked me about Bolt Bus. "blah blah I can drive to Portland whenever I want blah blah I can put stuff in my trunk blah blah I don't have to deal with homeless people blah blah third world modes of transportation..." I'm going to cry in my champagne tonight and possibly ruin my custom suit if I keep thinking about this. I guess I'm just a poor investor for not leasing a shiny car in a neighborhood with a walk score of 100! This will distract me from planning my second, third and fourth fabulous vacation of the year...

May 25th, 2012, 10:12 PM	#2028
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,346 Likes (Received): 116	Amen brother. Not having a car can ratchet you way up on the economic scale!

May 25th, 2012, 10:44 PM	#2029
jessejb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,692 Likes (Received): 104	Word! Thanks for the encouragement. Are there any articles about how not having a car is a kickass wealth strategy? (Not just those articles about how cars are more expensive than you think.)

May 25th, 2012, 11:57 PM	#2030
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,346 Likes (Received): 116	Not that I'm aware of. But they're out there. It's pretty easy to make the case. Even with the cheapest car imaginable you'd be paying several thousand per year including Downtown/fringe parking. Whether you're just living free n easy or putting the whole thing to savings, the gist writes itself. "I don't have a car, which is why I can travel so much and still have money." Or "I don't have a car, so I'll be able to retire early." If a cheap car plus Downtown parking is $7,000/year (which is below average per AAA), if you put $3,000/year extra to retirement (or a down payment), $2,000/year extra to centralized housing, and $2,000/year extra to having fun, that's a lot. In 30 years, when that retirement money has tripled even after inflation, you'll be very glad. Hell, I'm glad every day. I'm a little over a mile from work, and once you factor in getting in and out of garages, one-way streets, jaywalking, etc., I might spend five extra minutes each way by walking. Meanwhile it also reduces how much time I need to spend officially "exercising" so it's a time-saver overall, even before the time people spend "for" their cars rather than just using them.

May 26th, 2012, 12:05 AM	#2031
CrazyAboutCities Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 8,328 Likes (Received): 15	I don't have car either. So you're not alone! Honestly, I don't really see why I need one because we got excellent bus system here that gets me everywhere I need to be at on time. It saves me a couple thousand dollars a year by not having car. That helped me pay off my debts a while ago and currently building up my saving. Having a car can be stressful sometime only if your car got stolen or vandalized or break down which requires expensive repairs. Additionally, you will have to spend more time to find a spot to park your car and fill up the tank. Not worth my money and time.

May 26th, 2012, 08:23 AM	#2032
Matt the Engineer Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,078 Likes (Received): 88	http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2008/...ost-comparison Though that's for an exurban commute.

May 26th, 2012, 09:00 AM	#2034
RMacherat Buy used books Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,699 Likes (Received): 80	..

May 26th, 2012, 06:29 PM	#2036
LCIII Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,848 Likes (Received): 59	Sounds like you should Zip Car instead of owning. Pay for what you use.

May 27th, 2012, 07:59 PM	#2037
Doomgoggles Unregistered non-user Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Seattle/Kitsap Posts: 738 Likes (Received): 39	I have two cars...I wish I could get rid of one. We should have a transit system that doesn't make you worry about being late all the time. I live in downtown Everett. I work in downtown Seattle. GF works in Redmond. Everett to Seattle: Car-only: 35-55 minutes Sounder: 55 to 15 (walking and bus/drive to station) ST510: 45 to 65+15 (walking and bus or drive to station) If I rely on the ET 7 or 9 to get me to the station, it's about a 7 minute trip, but the headways are poor, and they don't sync up with the ST trips very well, adding more time. Everett to Redmond? Forget about it. Fastest transit route makes you change buses at the Bellevue Transit Center...2 hours + when she can drive in one hour. Not ideal. Should we live downtown? Of course! But we bought the house in Everett when we were both working up north. :\ Until the market improves, we're kinda tied down.

May 27th, 2012, 08:13 PM	#2038
bgwah honk!!! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,732 Likes (Received): 76	For me, it's a choice between a 20 minute drive or a two hour bus trip. Obviously I'm going go to drive.

May 27th, 2012, 08:20 PM	#2039
LCIII Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,848 Likes (Received): 59	That's why cars = freedom.

May 27th, 2012, 09:40 PM	#2040
CrazyAboutCities Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 8,328 Likes (Received): 15	It is depends on where you live in. Cars don't always give you the freedom you want. Stuck in traffic, struggle to find a spot to park, vehicle break down, and unable to drive during bad weather (e.i. snows). Having excellent transit system can give you more freedom than cars can.