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Old September 27th, 2009, 12:26 PM   #61
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But the question remains whether that is what the Tibetans want, and providing economic aid doesn't give an answer at all.
Bhutan e. g. is one of the poorest countries in the world on the sheet, but they don't bother being economical underdeveloped because it isn't part of their national agenda. Bhutan pursues a Buddhistic philosophy of happyness, economic strength in a Western understanding isn't important at all.

How do you know that the Tibetans do not want to develop economic?

we develop the econemy of Tibet ,you will say:They destroy the culture of Tibet.

we not develop the econemy of Tibet ,you will Cried:They Regardless of the survival of the Tibetan people.



I am fed up with it!


Are You really have such a noble??
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Old September 27th, 2009, 12:29 PM   #62
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Tibet was a part of China forever , the past is, the present is, in the future or.

中国是一个多民族国家,西藏自元朝起就是中国的一部分,因为是一个少数民族区,所以历来中央政府都不会过多的干涉西藏事务,直到新中国建立。

1951年5月23日,新中国和平解放西藏。

由于西藏一直都是实行农民奴隶制度,5%的人占有西藏全部的土地和财产,其他人都是奴隶,依附于这些奴隶主。达赖就是西藏最大的奴隶主。

代表下层人民利益的共产党1959年在西藏实行民主改革和土地改革,解放奴隶并把土地分给他们,这触犯了西藏上层贵族的利益,所以得到美国中央情报局支持,并发动武装叛乱,他们的头领就是今天你们看到的笑眯眯的达赖喇嘛。讽刺的是,达赖喇嘛的父亲就是不愿意分裂国家而被分裂分子毒死的。

有空的话可以研究下西藏历史,看看达赖的人皮法器,人骨法器以及西藏过去的酷刑,看看真实的西藏,看看得到土地的奴隶们害怕失去土地而彻夜守候在土地旁边的情景。

林肯是为了获得更多的劳动力,中国共产党是本着人道主义,同样是解放奴隶,然而,林肯在你们眼中就是英雄,中国共产党在你们心中就是魔鬼。哈哈,果然是双重标准。


文化大革命中确实对干涉了宗教自由,并损毁了很多寺院,但这不仅仅在西藏,全国各地都是如此。这是中国共产党在特殊时期犯下的错误。

文革结束后,这些错误都得到了纠正,现在国家每年都投入巨资对西藏的文化进行保护,寺庙进行修缮,对西藏的牧民进行安家,并大力发展西藏的经济,全国每个省都对口支援西藏发展。

现在的西藏人民享有更好的生活和更好的宗教信仰自由。他们和你没有什么不同。



我们中国拥有五千年的文明,历来是世界文明的灯塔,历史上无数次强大,甚至到比较衰落的明朝,你们的哥伦布的船队也不及郑和船队的1/1000,即便如此,我们都一样怀着和平和全世界交往,而没有因为自己强大就去欺负别人。

相反,你们西方人这几百年在世界上做了什么?你们几乎杀光了美洲,澳洲的土著并占有他们的土地,你们贩卖非洲人为奴隶,你们在全世界殖民,仅仅一百年前,你的爷爷说不定还在中国的土地上杀人放火,大肆抢劫。

近100多年来,由于西方的侵略和剥削,中国死亡了无数的人民,丢失了无数的珍宝,失去了近600万平方公里的土地(比半个欧洲还大),3000多万件珍贵的文物流失海外,仅你们西方的博物馆里就有1000多万件中国的珍宝,你们难道不觉得羞耻吗?

不要告诉我,你们文明,你们是为了保护这些文物。成龙曾经说过:把别人的文物放在自己的博物馆,还说是帮别人保管,这是可耻的行为!!

100年前还是强盗,100年后居然以为自己洗白了,是绅士了。开始对世界上最古老的国家指手画脚,真是可笑。

我要说的是,西藏永远是中国一部分,以前是,现在是,将来还是。



历史已经过去,中国人并不是记仇的民族,过去的历史并不是今天的西方人的错,我们愿意与西方的人民做朋友,但是如果你和你们的媒体一样,总是对中国进行说教,甚至连西藏在哪里都不知道,那么,请你闭嘴并保持安静!!!!!


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China is a multinational country, Tibet is part of China since the Yuan Dynasty(1271-1368), because it is a national minority area, so the central government will not interference Tibetan affairs too much until the new China .May 23, 1951, the New China liberation Tibet peaceful.
The old Tibet practices the farmer-slave system, 5% people hold the land and the property of Tibet completely , other people are the slaves, attaches in these slave-owners. Dalai is the biggest slave-owner of Tibet .

The CCP who on behalf of the benefit of the depressed classes was executed the democratic reform and the land reform in Tibet, liberated slaves and apportions their land .this has Offended the upper formation aristocrat's benefit . therefore the armed rebellion started,and Obtains subsidization by CIA.Their leader is the smiles Dalai Lama you saw today.What satirizes, Dalai Lama's father was killed by Rebellion members with Toxicant Because of he was not willing to divided the country.

You can research history of Tibet if you have time ,have a look at Dalai's Buddhist musical istrument made by person-skin ,and made by human-bones . And the Brutal penalty of Old Tibet, Has a look at real Tibet .has a look at the slaves who Obtains the land Waits for all night in the edge Because of afraid lose the land Again.

Lincoln is In order to obtains more labor forces, the CCP is in line with the humanitarianism, It is similarly to liberate slaves, however, Lincoln is the hero in your eye, the CCP is a devil in your heart . Ha,It is really the double standards.

The CCP has interfered the freedom of religion truly and damaged many templesIn the Great Cultural Revolution. but this not only in Tibet,The nation is so. This is Serious mistake which violates in the specific time of CCP. This is very hurtful.


After the Great Cultural Revolution ended, The mistake obtains the correction, now our country spends the large amount of money to protect the culture of Tibet every year , to Restores and maintains the temple ,to help the herdsman settles down the lives,and developed Tibet's economy vigorously.each province supports Tibet to develop their economy and the culture.


Now everyone in Tibet enjoy the good life and the better freedom of religious belief. They have no different with you.




Our China has 5000 years civilizations ,is always the civilization lighthouse of the world.we innumerable great strength in the history.Even in Ming Dynasty (1368-1644) that is not formidable,Columbus's fleet is inferior to the Zheng He 1/1000.Even if so,we also contact with other country equally and peacefully .Not bully others because we formidable.

On the contrary ,what have your westerner doing in the world these several hundred years ?You nearly killed off the Aborigines of America and Australia , and hold their land.You trade the black slave ,you colonize in whole world. Just merely 100 years ago,maybe Perhaps your grandfather also kills and fire on our Chinese land, Robs massively.

Nearly 100 years ,as a result of Westner's aggression and the exploitation in China,There are Innumerable people died ,innumerable treasures lost,we Loss nearly 6,000,000 square kilometers lands (it is bigger than half Europe) ,more than 30,000,000 precious cultural relics drain the overseas ,Only in your West's museum there are more than 10,000,000 chinese treasures, some people will feel ashamed?

Do not tell me, you are the civilized person, you are to protect these cultural relics. Jacky Chen had said: Places own museum others' treasure ,Added that is the faction life insurance tube ,This is the ignominious behavior !!!!

You are robber 100 years ago,Now actually thought that himself is the gentleman ,and to gesticulate The most ancient country in the world .it is really a joke.



What I must to say, Tibet was a part of China forever , the past is, the present is, in the future or.


The history already passed, the Chinese is not the nationality which bore a grudge,we were willing to make friends with Western people, but if you even do not know where is Tibet in Actually Rigid theorizing to China like your media, then pls shut up and keep quiet.OK??



How do you know that the Tibetans do not want economic development?

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都是我自己写的,英文不好,翻的很辛苦,估计里面有很多很多错误。不过应该能看懂。如果英文好的兄弟,可以帮忙订正一下,有好的意见可以加进去,做成一个模板,以后谁再说西藏什么什么的,我们就往上贴,知道他不说为止。

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Old September 27th, 2009, 01:10 PM   #63
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Posts No.47-51 are so irrelevant.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 01:12 PM   #64
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Potala Palace-Grand palace

In 641, after marrying Princess Wencheng, Songtsen Gampo decided to build a grand palace to accommodate her and let his descendants remember the event. However, the original palace was destroyed due to a lightening strike and succeeding warfare during Landama's reign. In seventeenth century under the reign of the Fifth Dalai Lama, Potala was rebuilt. The Thirteenth Dalai Lama expanded it to today's scale. The monastery-like palace, reclining against and capping Red Hill, was the religious and political center of old Tibet and the winter palace of Dalai Lamas. The palace is more than 117 meters (384 feet) in height and 360 (1180 feet) in width, occupying a building space of 90 thousand square meters. Potala is composed of White Palace and Red Palace. The former is for secular use while the later is for religious.


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Old September 27th, 2009, 01:16 PM   #66
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Old September 27th, 2009, 01:19 PM   #67
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Honestly I think this thread is useless, it's supposed to be about railway but now people post pictures of girls, dance, traditions, palace, fireworks, food....etc.....
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True. And as beautiful as the pics of the Potala are, they're irrelevant, too.

@ loong: It's not about being noble, wanting to keep development from someone or anything, it's about respecting the freedom of choice every people has according to the human rights. Might be a bit over the top to ask respecting it (especially in this case), but it's still my opinion about the topic (and about every other similar case, no matter in which country). And I stick to it, just like you will stick to your opinion. it's not my intention to make someone "convert" to my point of view and I accept you everyone having another opinion (as mentioned before).
So let's finish the matter and go on with the railway, ok?
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Old September 27th, 2009, 05:49 PM   #69
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I really donít want to talk about politics here.

I know that Chinese progress development isnít as great as The U.S. right now, but other than you guys have the citizen rights to vote for presidential election, Chinese have liberty and freedom too. China is not JUST a ďcounty of police officers.Ē

There are improvement and development in XiZang too. They canít always be like that, even though there are some economy problems, they can still choose the way they live. They can have their believes and religion, they can get their education, or jobs.

Being in part of the society right now isnít something that you can choose, but that doesnít mean XiZang developing their economy will destroy their old way or their tradition and culture. Chinese government is trying their best to protect XiZangís culture so we donít lose it in the future.


I have some pictures of XiZang peopleís daily life, but I donít think just the pictures can explain everything clear. If you donít agree with me, you can go to China, XiZang and experience it yourself. Please donít take it for granted, and please donít talk about the stuff you donít know just because you heard something about this from someone that you donít even know.

Letísjust talk about the railroad please. I have more PICS to share with you.
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But the question remains whether that is what the Tibetans want, and providing economic aid doesn't give an answer at all.
Bhutan e. g. is one of the poorest countries in the world on the sheet, but they don't bother being economical underdeveloped because it isn't part of their national agenda. Bhutan pursues a Buddhistic philosophy of happyness, economic strength in a Western understanding isn't important at all.
This is one hell of a hilarious and self-rightous statement. Tibet is part of China and the Chinese gov. has the right to modernise her territory as she thinks it's good for the development of her citizen's livelihood. There is no need for the "West" to play the lawyer or spokes person for citizens of China.

Where ever the "West" interferes outside of their cultural sphere it brough nothing but misery and destruction. From slavery, genocides, plunder, rape to drug peddling.

Bhutan and happiness, yeah right. Ask the millions of displaced ethnic Nepali who have been living in Bhutan for centuries but don't believe in lamaism. I don't see the "West" crying foul, racism, freedom of religion etc., because Bhutan is a quantitť neglegiable whilst China is seen as the ONLY rival in ALL aspects having the potential to question the fundamental self-concept of the "West".
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Those are some fantastic pictures! Do you have some of the rooms onboard, and the coach class seating (ie non-room)?
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Stunning Pictures Loong, thanks for posting.
What an amazing beautifull Country.
I say, leave the politics asside. As always time will be the final Judge.
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Epic railroad great pitures.. tnx for sharing.
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yes ,there are some pics about the coach class seating






There are two ways to provide oxygen to Passenger :The air conditioning provide and independent ventilation Each seat







dining room on the train




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The Luxury Train / Trains worth 150 million U.S. dollars,there are just 96 seat on the train
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have any more photos of the station?
YES,It is Naqu railway station(那曲站)







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