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Old November 12th, 2010, 07:06 PM   #241
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Well modernism was/is an arrogant utopian ideology that never took humans into consideration in the first place. I don´t think anyone ever thought it was going to be successful, it´s just a material extension of a loony idea.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 08:59 PM   #242
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Those are renovations/restaurations not reconstructions...
you think that more then 50 granade hits in one building isnt enought for reconstruction?

I saw few photos from last pages...those arnt really reconstructions there just new paint and few details on building wall...Not much...
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Old November 13th, 2010, 07:11 PM   #243
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The rebuilt building Faience Factories in Wloclawek converted to an entertainment center
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Old December 15th, 2010, 06:11 PM   #244
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Rothenburg Ratsherrntrinkstube, town hall and marketplace

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The Town Hall was destroyed?! I knew Rothenburg had sustained some bombing but did not think the marketplace was affected.
I have visited there a few times and the buildings seemed quite authentic.
Also, I have seen only one image of Rothenburg after it was bombed and that was a photograph found in the tower of the Old Town Hall.
Would anybody here have any images to share that shows the full extent of damage that Rothenburg suffered?

One of my personal favorite reconstructions is the Wedekinhaus in Hildesheim, Germany.
I tried to find images of it laying in ruins for comparison but could not locate them:

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Old December 15th, 2010, 06:48 PM   #245
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Hildesheim was filled with extraordinary and ancient buildings before WW2.
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Old December 30th, 2010, 08:19 PM   #246
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Great photos!
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Old December 31st, 2010, 04:47 AM   #247
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The Town Hall was destroyed?! I knew Rothenburg had sustained some bombing but did not think the marketplace was affected.
I have visited there a few times and the buildings seemed quite authentic.
Also, I have seen only one image of Rothenburg after it was bombed and that was a photograph found in the tower of the Old Town Hall.
Would anybody here have any images to share that shows the full extent of damage that Rothenburg suffered?

Indeed the destructions reached until the market place (although I think only the north side and the town hall were affected). The town hall wasn't destroyed, but heavily damaged. The inside is mostly modern today.
AFAIK, the Ratsherrntrinkstube is a private reconstruction. Look at the houses next to it. Typical Rothenburg rebuilding style.

Since the rebuilt houses were meant to NOT include any modern (=Gründerzeit and newer) elements, while not being reconstructions, they do look pretty authentic, albeit simple.

The old smithy is a complete fantasy "reconstruction":
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/...d2edc07276.jpg

The Ratsherrntrinkstube is a rare occurence, of an actual reconstruction of a regular house in Rothenburg.

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Old December 31st, 2010, 05:13 AM   #248
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Leipzig (Germany), Barfussgaesschen 15


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Old January 2nd, 2011, 05:02 AM   #249
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Leipzig did some amazing reconstruction work! Some parts of the city look incredibly beautiful today! The rest is rather boring though...
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Old January 11th, 2011, 02:11 PM   #250
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Sopocani monastery, Raska region, Serbia (13th century)

state of the building after the liberation from the Turks (1912)


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Old January 12th, 2011, 09:17 PM   #251
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Sopocani monastery looks lovely!
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Old January 15th, 2011, 06:03 PM   #252
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The Town Hall was destroyed?! I knew Rothenburg had sustained some bombing but did not think the marketplace was affected.
I have visited there a few times and the buildings seemed quite authentic.
Also, I have seen only one image of Rothenburg after it was bombed and that was a photograph found in the tower of the Old Town Hall.
Would anybody here have any images to share that shows the full extent of damage that Rothenburg suffered?
I uploaded this image to Wiki some time ago:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...jpg?uselang=de


I actually don't know any other image that shows the destruction from aerial view.
But as you can see, Rothenburg was heavily hit in some parts of the town.

Amazing to experience that it's still seen as the stereotypical European medieval town. While other cities in Germany, that survived almost completely, like Bamberg, Regensburg, Görlitz or the near Dinkelsbühl (better kept than Rothenburg!) aren't. Even Erfurt could be taken into consideration.

But I guess it's the size of the town and fairy-talish scenes like these ones:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...g07-04-001.JPG


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...Rothenburg.JPG


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...de_-_13143.jpg


As some of these buildings got reconstructed, this definitely fits here.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 07:37 PM   #253
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Indeed the destructions reached until the market place (although I think only the north side and the town hall were affected). The town hall wasn't destroyed, but heavily damaged. The inside is mostly modern today.
AFAIK, the Ratsherrntrinkstube is a private reconstruction. Look at the houses next to it. Typical Rothenburg rebuilding style.

Since the rebuilt houses were meant to NOT include any modern (=Gründerzeit and newer) elements, while not being reconstructions, they do look pretty authentic, albeit simple.
Thank you, Clay Hefner.
I have since located the photo I saw while visiting Rothenburg.
This must depict only part of the damage because we do not see the Town Hall.

This looks really bad.
Would anybody know if Bildindex has more photos?
The site loads extremely slow onto my computer.

Edit: I did not know that Erbse had already found the photo!
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Old January 15th, 2011, 09:25 PM   #254
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amazing reconstruction of Rothenberg, I almost had the chance to visit it years ago, but got sick that weekend. Will have to go see this fairytale beauty.
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Old January 16th, 2011, 12:18 PM   #256
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Those are renovations/restaurations not reconstructions...

Warsaw's old city centre is, or Frauenkirche in Dresden, or the city hall of Paris.
Indeed. That's why I moved those posts (along with some others) to this thread:

Revitalization in Your Cities


Reminder: Please DON'T post ordinary renovations here. We have the above thread and others for such matters.

This thread is about real reconstructions, that means lost buildings or essential parts of a building are REPLICATED, not just painted/plastered.



If you're still unsure about what reconstruction means, take a look at this.


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Boričevac church

Is burned in ww2,reconstruction is starded last year














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^ Sources please.

Do you have any illustration depicting the church prior to its destruction?

The "reconstructed" roof looks really nonhistorical.
I guess it was made of copper or tiles before.
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Regarding Rothenburg

Here's a comparison that shows some of the -seemingly unique- features of the Rothenburg odT rebuilding

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this square near the market place was completely destroyed.
As you can see, the buildings in the background are not faithful reconstructions (although these are closer than most in the town).

Interestingly, having the same height for the whole row of houses was completely intentional and not part of some "simplification". The one house in the row that is higher was made one story higher in the Gründerzeit era, so they decided to purge that "modern" alteration.
The half-timbered house was obviously considered important enough to be reconstructed much later in more reconstruction-friendly times.

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Here you can see that, while still using all kinds of gables, it kind of was made a policy to create houses that distinctly differed from their predecessors. A similar thing can be witnessed on the principal market in münster.
An interesting variant of Western German"critical reconstruction" I suppose.
The big house next to the tower was a public building, and thus a "legit"candidate for reconstruction.
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^ Sources please.

Do you have any illustration depicting the church prior to its destruction?

The "reconstructed" roof looks really nonhistorical.
I guess it was made of copper or tiles before.
The roof is made from copper See a little better
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