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Old January 16th, 2011, 06:59 PM   #261
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It looks too black to me. But maybe it's just the photo.

Thanks for adding the source. But you're supposed to give a link as well. ("Lika News" doesn't say anything. We need a link to the original page.
Can't be that hard for you people to finally learn this...)
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Old January 16th, 2011, 07:15 PM   #262
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Old January 16th, 2011, 07:22 PM   #263
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So it's copper. Good to know.


But sadly the copper available today is too clean to oxidise like it did back in the days.
It takes a hell lot of time until it turns to the splendid green...
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Old January 21st, 2011, 08:28 PM   #264
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Croatia -Sveti Juraj na bregu

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Old January 21st, 2011, 11:10 PM   #265
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Here's a comparison that shows some of the -seemingly unique- features of the Rothenburg odT rebuilding

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this square near the market place was completely destroyed.
As you can see, the buildings in the background are not faithful reconstructions (although these are closer than most in the town).
Great finds, Clay!

Those approximate reconstructions remind me of what you see on a much larger scale in Nuremburg.
They are quite depressing to look at and best viewed out of the corner of the eye, while pretending they are what they used to be.

I understand that the architectural details and decorative elements which made those buildings unique (and expensive) would not have been realistic for the times. But, they could have at least retained the basic form/shape of the destroyed buildings that had once stood in their place.

Would it have been unrealistic to reconstruct that half-timbered gable in the far-right background along with the one in the foreground?
The houses standing to its right do not appear to have been overly elaborate and certainly basic enough that it could have been quite manageable to rebuild them in the same pre-war dimensions.

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Old January 22nd, 2011, 06:48 PM   #266
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Those approximate reconstructions remind me of what you see on a much larger scale in Nuremburg.
They are quite depressing to look at and best viewed out of the corner of the eye, while pretending they are what they used to be.
Yeah. While the results in Rothenburg are better, the rebuilding basically followed the same principles as in the rest of Germany:
- Gründerzeit is worth crap
- reconstructions of working class houses is a no-no
- reconstruction of public buildings and comparable monuments is perfectly A-okay
- houses must be recognizable as buildings of their time

This is what made "meh" solutions like that row of houses possible.
It should be noted though that there are much better buildings on chapel square (which was completely destroyed), like this one


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I understand that the architectural details and decorative elements which made those buildings unique (and expensive) would not have been realistic for the times. But, they could have at least retained the basic form/shape of the destroyed buildings that had once stood in their place.

Would it have been unrealistic to reconstruct that half-timbered gable in the far-right background along with the one in the foreground?
The houses standing to its right do not appear to have been overly elaborate and certainly basic enough that it could have been quite manageable to rebuild them in the same pre-war dimensions.
I think, contrary to most rebuilding efforts in Germany, the "problem" wasn't so much that they would not want half timbered gable per se, but that in that twisted post-WW2 "critical reconstruction" logic, the shape of the gable simply had to be different just out of principle.
The crazy thing is that the Old Smithy (one of Rothenburg's major sites!)probably only could become a half timbered building, because its predecessor was not one before its destruction.

The two most important differences the Rothenburg rebuilding has to most other Western German examples are:

- avoiding "modern" elements and bringing out a certain time period while purging others in the Stadtbild(although Münster, Würzburg and Bamberg seemed to follow a similar route in their rebuilding-at least in parts)
- the inclusion of half timbered (new) buildings at key spots of the destroyed area, since half timbering was considered a characteristic feature of Rothenburg (this is probably unique as part of a general strategy)

Of course, those two points completely contradict the other rules. But though that was never really spoken out, the real goal was of course to rebuild Rothenburg to be the tourist attraction it was before the war- and with that mindset, the rebuilding could yield the results it did- ranging from okay to awesome on a stick.

Here's a picture of the impressive reconstruction on chapel square

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Here are post-WW2 half timbered buildings
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Old January 22nd, 2011, 07:34 PM   #267
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Pátio do Colégio, São Paulo, Brazil.

The Pátio do Colégio ("School Yard") is a historical Jesuit church and school which marks the site were the city of São Paulo was founded in 1554. Its construction was finished in 1556, using rammed earth. Pátio do Colégio was the center of spiritual and educational life of São Paulo for 3 centuries. But in 1896 the church collapsed. Only the tower survived, but greatly modified.

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In 1953, due to the upcoming celebrations of the city's 400th anniversary, the Pátio do Colégio was rebuilt.


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Old January 22nd, 2011, 07:45 PM   #268
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Didn't know it was a reconstruction! I'm glad they did it though!
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Old January 30th, 2011, 02:41 PM   #269
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A bit controversial reconstruction of castle of Bobolice in Poland

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Photos from 'reconstruction': http://zamekbobolice.pl/rekonstrukcja_zamku,33,pl.htm#

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Old January 30th, 2011, 05:30 PM   #270
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Wow, it doesn't really look reconstructed, although it'd be good to see a close up of that blue thing.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 01:01 AM   #271
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Authentic or exact or not, a revitalized functional castle structure like Bobolice can inject much more life into a community than a ruin which you can only look at. It looks very good in the pics.
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I checked - it's a private residence now.
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The reconstruction of stone brdige from 15 century wich was destroyd in ww2 is finish

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Old February 12th, 2011, 10:02 PM   #274
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Old March 6th, 2011, 10:51 PM   #275
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And one reconstruction in progress. Medieval Vršac Castle in Vršac, Serbia, built in the first half of the XV century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vršac_Castle

This is the photo before reconstruction, with only main tower remaining, and castle foundation.







And first stage of reconstruction is over.



And we have two possible solutions for the continuation of the restoration, first one is identical historical reconstruction "as it was"



Or more modernized, "half-restored" look with glass roof covering courtyard.





Second stage will be reconstruction of the tower on the other side of the castle that you see , and we will see for the middle and third stage! That antenna right next to the castle should be also removed after the Castle is finished, but we will see when exactly. As far as i know, i think that II option is winner, but, time will tell...
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Reconstruced tower Lipica part of Senj city walls

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Old March 19th, 2011, 11:06 PM   #278
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POLAND, Białystok


Branicki Palace


http://www.umb.edu.pl/sites/www.umb....Branickich.jpg



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Had no idea it was rebuilt!
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Lovely Palace!
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