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Old November 24th, 2011, 01:22 AM   #341
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Tsaritsino Palace Moscow - built 1785-95 Reconstruction 1998-2005






















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Old November 24th, 2011, 01:43 AM   #342
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Wow, bravo, Russia! Fantastic!
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Old November 24th, 2011, 01:47 PM   #343
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^ I never heard of this awesome place before. I guess it used to be some sort of hunting lodge of the tsar family? What's its use today?
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Old November 24th, 2011, 10:08 PM   #344
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Since i can't read russian can someone say what actually happen to the palace?
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Old November 25th, 2011, 02:30 AM   #345
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We cant, wiki can...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsaritsyno_Park

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Old November 25th, 2011, 06:35 PM   #346
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Tsaritsyno Park is very nice again But did the blue church at one of the last pictures stand there before the reconstructions, or was it build with the palace in the 18th century?
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Old November 25th, 2011, 07:01 PM   #347
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It's an amazing reconstruction. Well done!
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Old November 25th, 2011, 07:16 PM   #348
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Church was built in the XVII century, and closed in 1939. In Soviet times the building was used to house the transformer substation. Reopened as church in 1990.

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Old November 25th, 2011, 07:18 PM   #349
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Plan in 1810.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 08:20 PM   #350
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Berlin, Alte Kommandatur 1795/96, heavily damaged during World War II and destroyed in order to make room for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of East Germany. In 1995, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of East Germany itself was demolished. The Alte Kommandantur has been rebuilt by Bertelsmann to become its Berlin headquarter. The building was completed in November 2003. Critics of this reconstruction see it as an example of the Disneyfication of the center of Berlin.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 08:51 PM   #351
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Architecture had really reached an all time low in the 20th century...sadly it has not improved that much in the 21st either!
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Old November 25th, 2011, 09:17 PM   #352
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i don´t think so. there is some great modern architecture from the 20th and 21st century, i could name dozens of examples...but right now in some countries like for example germany or poland moves are afoot to reconstruct buildings or even whole quarters, destroyed in WW II or by the communists (or even by the capitalists...er...western governments (for example in frankfurt a.m, braunschweig (brunswick) or hannover).
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Old November 26th, 2011, 12:09 AM   #353
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Sure, but on the whole the old is aestheticaly better.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 03:31 AM   #354
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Sure, but on the whole the old is aestheticaly better.
Totally agree, it's obvious why such cities as Paris, Vienna, Rome, Venice, Budapest etc. etc. are so popular with visitors, it sure isn't because of the post WW2 structures! Totally modern cities are soul-less and totally boring, e.g. Brasilia which is all post 1950's and as boring as hell.
As for people who call anything built in a former style "Disneyesque" they obviously have absolutely no knowledge of the history of architecture otherwise they wouldn't make such crass and ignorant statements.
There is some really good modern architecture out there, but too many late 20th/early 21st c. buildings are either pretty banal or just plain hideous often creating total discourse with their surroundings and built as an ego statement for the architect who is actually displaying his ignorance of an ancient and glorious profession that used to pride itself on quality and good taste.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 09:35 PM   #355
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Adlerturm (middle age watchtower 1542), Dortmund rebuild 1992


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Old November 26th, 2011, 11:58 PM   #356
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Berlin's most recent reconstruction is not a building, but a square!

Schinkelplatz
(Dedicated to Berlin's best architect, like ever! XD)

That's how it looked like before WWII:


Those are pictures of the reconstructed square, that was finshed this summer:

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As seen from spaaace:


http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...engarten.shtml

The red brick building in the back, the Bauakademie (by Schinkel by the way) will be reconstructed as well... But don't ask me when. They are taking there time...

And finally a little funfact:
In/on one of the lampposts surrounding the square is a small windmill, which helps to automatically adjust the height of the fountain's spout, depending on how strong the wind blows.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 09:33 PM   #357
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Totally agree, it's obvious why such cities as Paris, Vienna, Rome, Venice, Budapest etc. etc. are so popular with visitors, it sure isn't because of the post WW2 structures! Totally modern cities are soul-less and totally boring, e.g. Brasilia which is all post 1950's and as boring as hell.
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Totally agree...
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Old November 27th, 2011, 09:55 PM   #358
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Nice quote from Potzdamer Stadtschloss webiste:

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The reconstruction of the Potsdamer Stadtschloss is not a singular incident but part of a larger trend in the reunited Germany of the past two decades. (C.f. Berlin’s decision to rebuild its city palace). “In particular, the architects are to blame,” the journalist and conservative former politician Alexander Gauland writes. “After they squandered the Bauhaus legacy in soulless box architecture in the West and no-less-soulless Eastern-bloc slab construction, everyone is pressing for reconstruction. From the historic Zeil in Frankfurt to the Dresden Frauenkirche, to the Berlin & Potsdam city-palaces, citizens are calling for the restoration of the old, since the modern cannot provide a sense of home.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 10:53 PM   #359
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Nice quote from Potzdamer Stadtschloss webiste:


Germany lost so much of it's glorious architectural heritage at the end of WW2 why shouldn't they get it back again in faithful reconstructions.
Who the hell do these people, who are against such projects, think they are to pontificate on what can and cannot be rebuilt.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 07:45 AM   #360
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exactly, well unfortunately the Warsaw conservator is almost completely opposed to reconstruction...buildings stripped of their original details by rabid commies driven by brain washing are to stay ugly and plain, only a thin layer of stucco and paint is permitted, as a result she is killing the spirit of the city with such hideous hybrid franken-buildings, neither historic, nor new, nor attractive, nor resembling anything in Warsaw history:

this is ok:







This:



can never be this again:



which cannot be restored to something more like this ever again

But you can take the lines and elegance of this modern classic:



and turn it into this:



A recent example:

Pre-war



Post-war



Now (not quite finished)



Final result expected



Bear in mind, she has done some nice work, but in a city such as Warsaw so defaced and degraded by war and ideology, the people need some of the pre-war beauty to lift their spirits and to give Warsaw back some of that identity, these hybrids are hard to relate to.

What do you think?
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