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Old November 30th, 2009, 03:59 PM   #21
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Old November 30th, 2009, 11:13 PM   #22
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Old January 15th, 2010, 01:14 AM   #23
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Pellerhaus, Nuremberg, Germany: Built 1602-1605, Destroyed 1945

This was one of the most outstanding domestic Renaissance buildings in Northern and Central Europe. Designed by Jacob Wolf the Elder it was built by Viatis Bartholomew for his son Martin Peller. What a magnificent building, and it had a beautiful courtyard too. Unfortunately, like 90% of Nuremberg, it was destroyed in 1945 by Allied bombs. The ground floor of the courtyard survived and was incorporated into a (hideous) new building in the 1950s.

Reconstruction of part of it started in 2009. Does anyone in Germany know what is being reconstructed? My German isn't good enough to enable me to find out more.

Anyway, here are the photos:

Before the war:






Horrible 'Modern' Facade!




All photos came from here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellerhaus

There's some debate about the reconstruction here (using Google translation):
http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...tion%26hl%3Den

And another page of information here (using Google translation):
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...TszJJ6oTA#Reko



Found some more information on the planned reconstruction here:
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...5RGQDPrD3keLTQ
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Old January 15th, 2010, 02:37 AM   #24
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Falkenhaus, Würzburg, Germany: Built c1710, Destroyed 1945, Rebuilt 1952

This is how reconstruction should be done everywhere! The early 18th century house was totally destroyed during World War Two but was reconstructed in the 1950s. It looks fantastic. The ornate stucco decoration on the facade was added in 1751.

Before the war:


http://culturas-beraber.blogspot.com...1_archive.html

After the war:

http://www.thirdreichruins.com/wurzburg2.htm

Reconstruction!

http://i29.tinypic.com/2mdkqhk.jpg


http://www.routeyou.com/location/vie.../falkenhaus.en

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Old January 15th, 2010, 03:00 AM   #25
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Very impressive reconstructions!!!
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Old January 15th, 2010, 03:41 PM   #26
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OMG I have to go to Beijing ASAP! 我已经想北京!!
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Old January 15th, 2010, 04:37 PM   #27
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Falkenhaus looks good enough to eat, yum!
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Old January 15th, 2010, 07:36 PM   #28
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Pellerhaus, Nuremberg, Germany: Built 1602-1605, Destroyed 1945
As far as I'm aware, they're only reconstructing the interior courthouse, NOT that wonderful facade. The 'modern' facade is a listed building itself.

Absolute shambles if you ask me. If I had my way I'd bulldoze half of Nurnberg....
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Old January 15th, 2010, 08:02 PM   #29
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As far as I'm aware, they're only reconstructing the interior courthouse, NOT that wonderful facade. The 'modern' facade is a listed building itself.
What's the point of that?!

Why would they list that hideous modern facade?

And I agree re. Nuremburg as a whole. Nearly all the post-war rebuild is just awful. What an absolute disaster for what was once probably the most perfectly preserved Gothic city north of the Alps.

This:


was replaced with this:


This:


was replaced with this:


This:


was replaced with this:


http://www.stadtbild-deutschland.de/...e/1/index.html


Apart from the key churches and the castle, it seems that very little historical reconstruction was done in Nuremburg.

When you think of pre-war Wurzburg, Nuremburg, Hildesheim, Brunswick, Hannover, Frankfurt, Dresden and Berlin, the historical and architectural losses are just beyond comprehension and a tragedy for the entire continent of Europe.
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Old January 16th, 2010, 01:20 AM   #30
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Leibnizhaus, Hannover, Germany: Built 1499, Destroyed 1943, Rebuilt 1981-1983

The half-timbered house was given a superb stone Renaissance-style facade in the mid-17th century, with the three-tiered bay window decorated by Peter Koster, a native of Hannover. The 18th century polymath Gottfried Leibniz lived in the house from 1698 and died there in 1716. The house was totally destroyed by Allied bombs in 1943 and the site was cleared. Fortunately, between 1981 and 1983 the Renaissance facade was reconstructed using old photographs, although on a different footprint to where it had previously been built. It's beautiful. I just love those crow-stepped gables.

Before the war:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...-Haus_1900.jpg


After the war:

http://www.bdaarchitekt.de/arch/bda/...rchitekt&ID=65

Reconstruction:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi..._Haus_2008.jpg


http://www.openpr.de/news/129050/Lei...ziehungen.html
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Old January 16th, 2010, 12:51 PM   #31
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Apart from the key churches and the castle, it seems that very little historical reconstruction was done in Nuremburg.
Will Nuremburg ever reconstruct the rallygrounds area? (of course without the swastika's)

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Old January 16th, 2010, 02:58 PM   #32
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Will Nuremburg ever reconstruct the rallygrounds area? (of course without the swastika's)
Hopefully not. As far as I'm aware the rally grounds are a memorial anyway, but if I were German I wouldn't want to see my city restoring something designed and built by the Nazis. There is actually a lot of Nazi architecture still standing in Germany. This webpage is very interesting: http://www.thirdreichruins.com/

It's a great shame though that Nuremberg doesn't go down the route taken by Dresden and attempt a more thorough reconstruction of its altstadt. It's easy to say and easy to wish for but I guess it would cost a fortune, especially if it was done properly.
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Old January 16th, 2010, 04:10 PM   #33
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Before the war Frankfurt had the largest stud work old town in europe. Pictures you can find here: http://www.altfrankfurt.com

two examples:




Since 2005 they´re planning the reconstruction of some districts of the former old town.
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But unfortunately that wont involve demolishing the new Salzhaus and building the old one

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salzhaus_%28Frankfurt%29
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Nuremburg. What an absolute disaster for what was once probably the most perfectly preserved Gothic city north of the Alps.
Why just north of the Alps? Along with Frankfurt, it was the most perfectly preserved Gothic city of whole Europe! It had more listed Gothic/medieval monuments than any other European city before the war.

But I don't think they did a poor job with rebuilding Nürnberg. It's just that the post-war buildings of course can't stand any comparison with the pre war image you have. But they at least restored the roof scape of the city and were watching for traditional shapes and details, integrated spoils (such as madonna figures, bays / oriels or ornamentations) and used dormer windows. That's a good base for the medieval cityscape that has to be completed by some key reconstructions. 10-15 reconstructed major buildings/ensembles would make the city absolutely gorgeous again.

But the city government and people of Nürnberg finally have to perceive this chance! So far only private associations such as Altstadtfreunde Nürnberg did.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 08:03 PM   #36
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Full Pellerhaus reconstruction and Toplerhaus rebuild would do well. Also they need to knock most of the market square. Then we're talking
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 04:14 AM   #37
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MILAN
Santa Maria delle Grazie's church (where is Cenacolo of Leonardo daVinci)

after war


today

source: Visoterra

Sant Ambrogio's church
after war


today


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Old January 22nd, 2010, 12:02 PM   #38
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Stunning complex of buildings!
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 06:40 PM   #39
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As far as I'm aware, they're only reconstructing the interior courthouse, NOT that wonderful facade. The 'modern' facade is a listed building itself.

Absolute shambles if you ask me. If I had my way I'd bulldoze half of Nurnberg....
I have the same problem with Warsaw where simplified reconstructions of glorious old buildings are on the historic register even though everyone practically hates them but Conservators are required to uphold the Charter of Venice.

Pre-War



Now



Pre-War



Now



Pre-War



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Old January 23rd, 2010, 05:50 PM   #40
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Yeah! It looks amazing!
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