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Old December 2nd, 2011, 08:33 AM   #381
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New classicism is a term that has been coined some time ago. There are even books out about the style, and one of its greatest proponents is the award-winning architect Demitri Porphyrios.

Disneyfication and new urbanism do not run parallel, that's degrading the seriousness of new urbanism. New Urbanism aims to re-examine and repair the damage; socially, economically and environmentally, that modernism urban planning has caused. Read the wiki link already provided, as well as this to get a better idea.
Thanks for the links. I've heard and read about new classicism (or actually more about new urbanism) but I was now wondering if there was a specific Berlin-school or trend.

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New classicism is a term that has been coined some time ago. There are even books out about the style, and one of its greatest proponents is the award-winning architect Demitri Porphyrios.

Disneyfication and new urbanism do not run parallel, that's degrading the seriousness of new urbanism. New Urbanism aims to re-examine and repair the damage; socially, economically and environmentally, that modernism urban planning has caused. Read the wiki link already provided, as well as this to get a better idea.
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Old December 2nd, 2011, 11:41 PM   #383
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exactly, well unfortunately the Warsaw conservator is almost completely opposed to reconstruction...buildings stripped of their original details by rabid commies driven by brain washing are to stay ugly and plain, only a thin layer of stucco and paint is permitted, as a result she is killing the spirit of the city with such hideous hybrid franken-buildings, neither historic, nor new, nor attractive, nor resembling anything in Warsaw history
I think Warsaw is definitely going to be a loser here. Other European cities with more enlightened ideas will be far more attractive in the future.

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Old December 3rd, 2011, 01:34 AM   #384
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Some of them don't look that bad.
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Old December 3rd, 2011, 08:23 PM   #385
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Poznan - castle reconstruction :

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Macie 2 zamek-buildingi z wczoraj


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Old December 4th, 2011, 05:54 PM   #386
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Monbijoubridge Berlin, built between 1902-1904, destroyed in WWII, ugly bridge until 2005, "reconstructed" bridge since 2006...because of bigger ships on the Spree river it has only one single span instead of two, like the historic one!

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Old December 4th, 2011, 08:41 PM   #387
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I think they should do this with the bridge at the Stadtschloss (city palace) as well.
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Old December 4th, 2011, 10:05 PM   #388
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i guess you mean the "Rathausbrücke" (cityhall-bridge...construction of the "Berliner Dom" in the background))...
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2009:

under construction (for more than a year right now...it takes years and nobody knows WHY):


indeed...i hate the new one...itīs just ugly....
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Old December 4th, 2011, 10:44 PM   #389
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Though it'll fit perfectly with the ugly behind of the Stadtschloss. XD
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Old December 4th, 2011, 11:25 PM   #390
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you mean the "Marstall"??? The building now known as the "Academy of Music Hans Beimler" ?? The "Marstall" (stables) used to house the 300 horses and carriages and sleighs of the imperial court. The first one is from 1669, the "Neue Marstall" (the new stables) was built in 1897...donīt think itīs ugly...



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Old December 4th, 2011, 11:33 PM   #391
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Konzerthaus/Schauspielhaus Berlin:

Before WWII:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/8859804...n/photostream/

Right after WWII:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/allhails/2334579719/

Today:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/infacto...n/photostream/

What is most amazing to me is that this (the auditorium)...

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtausb/...n/photostream/

...is not a reconstruction, but a completely new room creation from 1984! Before the building was used as a theatre, but then it had to function as a concert hall. So they had to design and build an aditorium.

It really amazes me, what architects actually are able to do even nowadays.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/page373/

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It looks gorgeous and you would never think, it's not a 19th century creation, right?
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you mean the "Marstall"???
Nope, I mean what I said, the soon to be build concrete rear of the Stadtschloss/City Palace.


http://www.getidan.de/gesellschaft/i...ss-vorgestellt
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Old December 4th, 2011, 11:51 PM   #393
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Nope, I mean what I said, the soon to be build concrete rear of the Stadtschloss/City Palace.


http://www.getidan.de/gesellschaft/i...ss-vorgestellt
ohhh...damn...yes...THIS modern facade is just a crime....
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Konzerthaus/Schauspielhaus Berlin:
Das ist klasse!
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Old December 5th, 2011, 12:55 AM   #395
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definitely it is:
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Old December 5th, 2011, 01:17 AM   #396
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ohhh...damn...yes...THIS modern facade is just a crime....
I don't actually think it's a crime in the design, it's very modern but conventional and not some freakish addition.

However, I certainly agree that it's a stupid idea not to complete the exterior of the Palace just to appease some damn so called modernist. Look at the damage done to most cities in the bad old 60's, 70's and 80's and even unfortunately today by appeasing these " modernists". A lot of the post war rubbish is now being demolished, so much for the brave new world. Anyway, classical architecture is for the ages, thus always modern, as any informed person knows.
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i know...i prefer a complete reconstruction...at least the facade...so...this modern stuff just is at the wrong place...donīt know whatīs against the old facade - and i donīt matter whatīs behind...in Potsdam the city palace is under reconstruction, the building is nearly completed...the whole old facade, but the interior is completely new, used for the brandenburg state government...same with the "new castle" of Stuttgart. The castle was almost completely destroyed by Allied bombing during the Second World War and was reconstructed between 1958 and 1964. During this time most of the inside of the castle was also restored and the building was used by the Baden-Württemberg State Parliament. Today it is used by the State Ministries of Finance and Education.
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man i wish reconstruction and revitalization was as ongoing as germany, poland etc

i look at iran's pics from the 1900-1940/50s, man the cities were marvels
then everything went down the drain, the islamic regim destroyed so much in the 1980s+ , the iran-iraq war destroyed the south which was so wealthy and fine,

the current government destroys old city quarters and build ugly, and i mean ugly stuff, they hate our culture, our past, they want us to have no identity, man dictatorships really destroy everything
the north of iran had small cities like many medditereanian areas , cities that looked alot like places such as verona (more simple however) and many old small greek cities, now all have been destroyed for the sake of "improving living ans safety stabdards" , makes me cry my eyes out, they wanted to destroy the crown jewel of iran's past, persepolis!! and flood cyrus the greats tomb
thank god the people fought back
there is some hope though, several monuments and houses remain and have been reconstructed and kept, tehran's centre is slowly , very slowly having some projects to make it "like the old days", , many groups have been made by citizens to stand for heritage

i wish i was the mayor of every city in iran

btw, although this is the european section, can i post some projects from iran ? alot of the structures share many common aspects with european buildings so it will blend., and surely i wont flood the thread, there isnt sufficient projects anyway
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Monbijoubridge Berlin, built between 1902-1904, destroyed in WWII, ugly bridge until 2005, "reconstructed" bridge since 2006...because of bigger ships on the Spree river it has only one single span instead of two, like the historic one!

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that's divine..
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