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Old May 31st, 2012, 04:13 AM   #561
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wow, amazing the reconstruction in Frankfourt!
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 12:39 AM   #562
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wow, amazing the reconstruction in Frankfourt!
Really hope it all goes ahead, especially that brown half timbered building, that'll look great.

Did they ever change their mind and decide to reconstruct the Salzhaus and the one next to it [Haus Frauenstein]? Those would just MAKE the Romer IMO.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 05:02 PM   #563
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Hmm some little, quite old reconstruction from my Hometown Slupsk(Stolp)

Brama Mlynska(Muhlnetor), before war(1934):

post-war(around 1970's, in background my commieblock sadly...):

after reconstruction(1980's):


Next object - Baszta czarownic(Holstentor):
before war:

around 1960's:

After restoration works:

Looks like damn morons lowered medieval wall


Kościół mariacki(MarienKirche), lost in WW2 it's baroque tower:
before war:

after:

now:


I will post more examples soon.
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Old June 2nd, 2012, 06:30 PM   #564
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very nice sienioslaw....had no idea Slupsk is that nice
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 12:26 AM   #565
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1877. Baroque church in Vilnius was torn down. Currently it seems that there are no plans to rebuild it, but the plot is reserved for possible rebuilding in the future.


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This is one of the prettiest little Baroque churches I have ever seen. It fit so well into its location. I do hope they will eventually rebuild it.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 12:36 AM   #566
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well first reconstruction will start in autumn 2012 with the "Hof zum Rebstock" building (the building in the middle):

http://www.abload.de/img/rebstockqf18.jpg
I am pleasantly surprised with Frankfurt
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 01:58 PM   #567
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It seems, that if not the First World War, Vilnius would have its own Sagrada Familia and St. Peter's Basilica... Unfortunately, the architect Antanas Vivulskis
Antoni Wiwulski

Anyway, this church was very impressive (moreover, like most Wiwulski's works). Hope they rebuild it soon!
Could you post a photo, how this place look now?
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 02:28 PM   #568
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"Löwenapotheke" Aschaffenburg/Bavaria Germany:
built in the 16th century, completely destroyed in 1945 and rebuilt in 1996:

source wikipedia

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"Alte Waage" Braunschweig/Germany:
built 1534, destroyed in WWII and rebuilt in 1994:

1892:


and today:











all pictures can be found at wikipedia!
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 02:54 PM   #569
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Antoni Wiwulski

Anyway, this church was very impressive (moreover, like most Wiwulski's works). Hope they rebuild it soon!
Could you post a photo, how this place look now?
There's a boxy soviet highrise headquarters of the Lithuanian post now in that place. As I know some parts of the church inside still.

It's renovated now but I couldn't find a photo.

http://nuotraukos.vilnius21.lt/namai...23-8135811.jpg
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Of course it's nothing wrong with naming Lithuanians in Lithuanian (like Kudirka) and also it's nothing wrong with Poles (especially, if they live in territories which are now Lithuanian, like Wiwulski), but if you look at English publications, he is usually called Antoni Wiwulski. Of course, we can always name him in Lithuanian, Russian, German, or whatever, but this make no sense for me, as we are speaking in English here
One can name them both Lithuanians and Poles and we shouldn't ruin this thread with such silly arguments.

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Anyway, thanks a lot for pictures
Very pity, what happened with this church
Soviet times were much worse here than in Poland for churches... If it was complete they might have not destroyed and only converted it to different use (As have happened with this church in Kaunas that was reconstructed to a radio factory and made a church again after independence). Now it is almost completely gone. There were plans to rebuild it but now they seem to have dropped it because of enormous costs and the highrise standing very close to it that can't be demolished.

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Soviet times were much worse here than in Poland for churches...
Yeah, true. Generally in USSR it was much worse with churches than in other Warsaw Pact countries.

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but now they seem to have dropped it because of enormous costs and the highrise standing very close to it that can't be demolished.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 07:20 PM   #573
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LThe architect of that ugly commie box told he did all to preserve the church, so even original vaults survive under the plaster and for that 14 storey box we need only some trinitrotoluene and some stuff like this:
That's all

Oh, I forgot we also need money...
The main thing is that you still need new building for Lithuanian Post, and the Catholic church is itself agains rebuildig it (Which is pitty ) as they want more small churches in the suburbs istead.
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so really people from many parts of central europe have multiple identities and they may not have identified themselves as belonging to either or maybe to all. my maternal grandmother was Polish but they were in Lithuania for centuries until the war, to look at them they look very Lithuanian and I am proud of their origins but culturally they considered themselves Polish, but that might have been in part because Lithuania was inside Poland pre-war and we were in a union for 500 years or so. I even had my matriarchal DNA checked and it confirmed that I belong to haplogroup U most common in Lithuania, Denmark and Scotland, so maybe I have more in common deep down with Scotland, anyway, it can get very confusing.

Lithuania is now going through a phase of consolidation and strengthening of the Lithuanian identity in Lithuania which is an understandable component of nation building or rather re-building. Still, I think out of respect why don't we just follow the practise as best we can of spelling names in both identities and avoid discussions of whether someone was this or that, because they are no longer here to settle the question, nie/ne? vilniusguide, I suspect you might also have Polish roots or atleast branches so why not celebrate both, and of course you can favour whatever group you want.

in any case, your doing a group job showing all of the restorations happening in Vilnius
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Old June 4th, 2012, 12:52 AM   #575
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Ok let's back to topic and enjoy:

Zamek Książąt Pomorskich(Pomeranian Dukes' Castle - last slavic dynastion on Pommern btw.) in Słupsk(Stolp), already before war was quite ruin, lost in XVIII half of tower due to thunder and in XIX turned into granary...

Castle before war:




After war castle was secured, and reconstruction works of XVI century tower started(first phase):




in 1960's second phase of reconstrucion began, here is result:


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The second project was terrible, who was the architect btw?
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Ok let's back to topic and enjoy:

Zamek Książąt Pomorskich(Pomeranian Dukes' Castle - last slavic dynastion on Pommern btw.) in Słupsk(Stolp), already before war was quite ruin, lost in XVIII half of tower due to thunder and in XIX turned into granary...
Very nice indeed

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who as a kid was told by the priest, that Lithuanian language is dirty pagan language and good Catholic must speak only Polish or he will go to Hell...
What?

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Also she told how when she talked Lithuanian at school during the break and teacher have heard this, he sligtly striked with such a teacher's stick, asking "jak to mowisz?" and told her to go to the corner and knee on the dried pea. Later she was even shy of her parents as they were Lithuanians.
Oh, this is unhuman, it's true

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These belong to the book by Nijolė Lukšionytė-Tolvaišienė, "Antanas Vivulskis. Tradicijų ir modernumo dermė"; published in 2002 (scary title for Poles, agree ).
Nope. If this book is Lithuanian, it's obvious that it is in Lithuanian


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Anyway, back to the thread - reconstructed tower in Olkusz (Lesser Poland Voivodeship):


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Old June 4th, 2012, 07:24 AM   #579
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thanks for sharing vilniusguide, we're all here to learn about architecture and ourselves, because meaning and architecture and place are so intertwined, so many different lines wrap around this maypole we call central europe, endlessly interesting and passion-rousing
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