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Old December 18th, 2013, 01:09 AM   #801
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This was Wroclaw?!
Yes.
Germany did Wroclaw fortress (Festung Breslau). He had to defend to the last man. The city took a very heavy fighting, including bombardments and artillery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Breslau
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Old December 18th, 2013, 12:11 PM   #802
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But it has to be said that most of the destroyed quarters weren't reconstructed, while the main market square was only partly destroyed. The biggest reconstruction project in Wroclaw was the cathedral island.
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Reconstruction of St. Laurentius/St. Nikolaus Kirche in Sandau, Germany.
Sandau is a town(!) in the historic Altmark region of northern Sachsen-Anhalt with currently 930 inhabitants.
In April 1945 a Waffen-SS unit stopped the capitulation of the town to US-troops by killing an american parliamentary. The town was finally taken after 12 days of artillery bombardment which destroyed it completely.

The nave of the mainly romanesque church (~1200) was rebuilt and restored several times after the war but the massiv tower remained a ruin. Reconstruction started in 2002 and was outwardly finished this summer.

pre war

http://www.sandau.de/html/uber_sandau.html

after

http://www.sandau.de/html/uber_sandau.html


http://www.romanik-info.de/sandau.html

during reconstruction








source with more pictures: http://www.kirchturm-sandau.de/bilder_vom_bau.html

finished:

http://www.kirchturm-sandau.de/


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/93323326


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/93323255


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...von_Westen.jpg
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Old December 19th, 2013, 03:40 AM   #804
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WOOOOOOooooooww, i like that very, very much!! Great thing to see!
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Old December 19th, 2013, 10:40 AM   #805
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Well done, (probably traditional methods were used?). B. the way, where is the eagle?
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Old December 19th, 2013, 10:49 AM   #806
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Well done, (probably traditional methods were used?).
As you can see in the sixth photo, they probably didn't.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 01:55 PM   #807
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It seems following example wasn't mentioned yet:

Braniewo(germ. Braunsberg) basilica

Pre war:

http://fotopolska.eu/399503,foto.html?o=b6195


http://fotopolska.eu/266181,foto.html?o=b6195

After war(till 1980-x):

http://fotopolska.eu/163058,foto.html?o=b6195


http://fotopolska.eu/Braniewo/b6195,...yny,20,40.html

In 1980's:

http://fotopolska.eu/163510,foto.html?o=b6195

And today:

http://fotopolska.eu/257019,foto.html?o=b6195

Interior:

pre-war:

http://fotopolska.eu/391041,foto.html?o=b102054

and now:

http://fotopolska.eu/418485,foto.html?o=b102054


http://fotopolska.eu/436293,foto.html?o=b102054


http://fotopolska.eu/418491,foto.html?o=b102054

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Old December 19th, 2013, 04:21 PM   #808
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What strikes me about these pictures, is how the supposedly rich European countries like the UK, cannot and will not do this, but the supposedly poorer European countries can, and do it so well?

In the UK, we seem to have this obsession with still pulling down our old stock of buildings, and replacing it with more and more steel and glass.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 06:04 PM   #809
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What strikes me about these pictures, is how the supposedly rich European countries like the UK, cannot and will not do this, but the supposedly poorer European countries can, and do it so well?

In the UK, we seem to have this obsession with still pulling down our old stock of buildings, and replacing it with more and more steel and glass.
You can be Rich in Money, and Rich in culture. Also poor in the same ways.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 07:02 PM   #810
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You can be Rich in Money, and Rich in culture. Also poor in the same ways.

Yep exactly
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Old December 19th, 2013, 08:38 PM   #811
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It seems following example wasn't mentioned yet:

Braniewo(germ. Braunsberg) basilica
Pics of interiors are convincing me one again that destruction (and reconstruction) serves well gothic Catholic churches
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Old December 20th, 2013, 12:27 AM   #812
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Pics of interiors are convincing me one again that destruction (and reconstruction) serves well gothic Catholic churches
Well, I also share mixed feelings towards baroque in general. It's kinda like sometimes baroque elements blends quite well in gothic/romanesque church, in other hand they could look like a tumors

Anyway, let's move along:

Medieval Town hall in Chojna(germ. K÷nigsberg in der Neumark), Poland

pre-war:

http://fotopolska.eu/269879,foto.html?o=b8093

Southern side:

http://fotopolska.eu/269880,foto.html?o=b8093

after-war:

http://fotopolska.eu/269870,foto.html?o=b8093


http://fotopolska.eu/269872,foto.html?o=b8093


http://fotopolska.eu/269873,foto.html?o=b8093

and now:

http://fotopolska.eu/269876,foto.html?o=b8093


http://fotopolska.eu/370805,foto.html?o=b8093

Stay tuned
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Old December 20th, 2013, 02:05 AM   #813
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Wrocław







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Old December 20th, 2013, 09:57 AM   #814
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Pics of interiors are convincing me one again that destruction (and reconstruction) serves well gothic Catholic churches
Without epitaphs, altars, stalls and paintings these churches are like empty shells without historical context. IMHO a sad sight.
In some cases these altars, stalls and paintings actually still exist today. In the museums and churches of Warsaw for instance, where many of these pieces from the "recovered territories" were moved by the Commies after WW2.
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Old December 20th, 2013, 04:56 PM   #815
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Without epitaphs, altars, stalls and paintings these churches are like empty shells without historical context. IMHO a sad sight.
I don't want to argue, since this is the matter of taste: personally I do like barocco, especially late one (also in church architecture), but I don't like barocco altars and stuff inside gothic churches. And anyway, IMHO churches should be minimalist and modest in detail.

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In some cases these altars, stalls and paintings actually still exist today. In the museums and churches of Warsaw for instance, where many of these pieces from the "recovered territories" were moved by the Commies after WW2.
Looking at the pics of St Catherine in Braniewo - I seriously doubt in 1945 there was anything to be moved
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ok, not a spectacular example this time, but still:

Holy Trinity Church in Chelmza(germ. Culmsee), Poland

Pre-war:

http://fotopolska.eu/271469,foto.html?o=b30612


http://fotopolska.eu/169851,foto.html?o=b30612

After-war:
Church wasn't damaged by WW2, but in 1950's fire destroyed baroque tower(s), roof and some vaults and many elements of interior Church was rebuilt in steps:


http://fotopolska.eu/401146,foto.html?o=b30612


http://fotopolska.eu/401121,foto.html?o=b30612


http://fotopolska.eu/313606,foto.html?o=b30612

Now:

http://polskaniezwykla.pl/web/gallery/photo,201142.html


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5543783

Interior:
Pre-war:

http://fotopolska.eu/316037,foto.html?o=b30612

Now:

http://www.chelmza.pl/3659,konkatedra.html
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Well, actually, church is much older then baroque, shouldn't they reconstruct the original tower instead of baroque one?
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Old December 29th, 2013, 05:35 AM   #818
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Church in New Orleans repaired after Hurricane Katrina







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http://www.wbarchitects.com/projects...hodist_church/
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Old December 29th, 2013, 11:44 AM   #819
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Well, actually, church is much older then baroque, shouldn't they reconstruct the original tower instead of baroque one?
The church is, true, older than baroque, but the tower's crown was built in 1692. Btw, adding baroque helmets to previously gothic towers is typical in this region.
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O, then ok, thanks! That is logical then...
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