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Old April 15th, 2015, 06:21 PM   #941
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I didn't say it would happen. I'd just like to see it happen.

Also, the urban "renewal" efforts are seen as an ideological shift now seen as negative. For example, the demolition of that courthouse was amid major protest and fighting between the city (which sought to abandon the past for a "better" future free of "victorian relics") and what would become the historical preservation committee.

Also, your description of the US is broad and simplified. It varies dramatically from one place to another.

Regardless, I don't want to get off topic.
It is definitely broad, but it captures the essence of my argument: outside of major metropolitan centres the economic outlook is not great and therefore the appetite for public investment in the reconstruction of demolished buildings is nearly non-existent.

I can't think of any reconstruction efforts outside of major historical cities or historical sites.
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It is definitely broad, but it captures the essence of my argument: outside of major metropolitan centres the economic outlook is not great and therefore the appetite for public investment in the reconstruction of demolished buildings is nearly non-existent.

I can't think of any reconstruction efforts outside of major historical cities or historical sites.
That's often the case anywhere.

That courthouse is in a major historical city where there is money and civic pride.
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Old April 15th, 2015, 07:06 PM   #943
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Vásárhelyi-Bréda maison
location: Lökösháza
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ruined: ~1970
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It is definitely broad, but it captures the essence of my argument: outside of major metropolitan centres the economic outlook is not great and therefore the appetite for public investment in the reconstruction of demolished buildings is nearly non-existent.

I can't think of any reconstruction efforts outside of major historical cities or historical sites.
this is even challenging in Europe where the Union's Jessica program provides subsidies only for restoration projects within urban areas, probably because of the multiplier effect it can generate and therefore better economic returns.
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But it's even more challenging in American rust-belt cities which are cash strapped and where public investment in civic buildings has been low, at least since the decline of the "city beautiful" movement and in the post-war era. The same can be said for Toronto; there is no way anyone is rebuilding historical structures. In this market, it's difficult enough to incorporate such structures into new development where they exist.
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agreed and in Toronto many historic buildings in the path of development seem to accidentally catch fire despite being downtown and near fire stations.
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Old April 16th, 2015, 01:51 AM   #947
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Nice reconstruction in Hungary! It would be great if we saw more renovations in that beautiful country.
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This thread is for reconstructions though, so a major portion or segment of the building would need to have vanished and then rebuilt, to qualify for the thread. Very nice renovation, nonetheless.

Do we have a thread for reconstructions in the United States/North America, btw?
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agreed and in Toronto many historic buildings in the path of development seem to accidentally catch fire despite being downtown and near fire stations.
Yes. Or, miraculously get struck by lightning
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Frankfurt, Germany | Haus zur Goldenen Waage | Highlight of the Dom-Römer Project

This will be the artistical peak of human creation in the rebuilt Dom-Römer area in Frankfurt:

Haus zur Goldenen Waage (aka Goldene Waage, "Golden Weigh House") | Markt 5

Main SSC thread for the old town reconstruction (+ Frankfurt forum thread.)

With a medieval core and an ornate unique renaissance facade of 1619, built by the Dutch patrician Abraham van Hamel. The city even wanted to forbid the construction initially, as the facade was perceived too pompous compared to the surroundings. Destroyed by Allied bombing raids in early 1944, that wiped out most of Frankfurt's unique old town core. The lush timbered house will be largely reconstructed by 2016.






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Source: DomRömer GmbH: Markt 5

For context: Street "Markt", the Goldene Waage to the left ("M"=Markt)

http://www.domroemer.de/strassenzuege

Around 1900:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...dene_Waage.jpg


http://static.coret.org/img/go/4067/frankfurt%201.jpg

It'll be gorgeous. Renaissance staircase in the making:


Source: http://www.journal-frankfurt.de/jour...ein-24097.html
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This is a brilliant thread, so uplifting to see how many historical architectural injustices can be and are being undone, with amazing landmarks brought back from the dead, when others had consigned them to oblivion.

Let us hope the successes of these reconstructed gems will serve as a template and inspiration to others, and diminish the ever present (and somewhat patronising) arguments about 'fake buildings' and 'not having the same craftsmanship skills anymore', when it is clearly not the case. With luck others will be compelled to undertake yet more such projects to bring back lost heritage (which would have been unthinkable up to only a couple of decades ago) I do hope we can look forward to more :-)
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Excellent project in Frankfurt! It really makes it seem that even if a building is destroyed it might not be lost forever.
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Old April 24th, 2015, 02:18 AM   #953
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On the topic of rebuilding lost historic structures in the U.S. versus Europe, particularly Germany, the difference is that the Germans were robbed of their landmarks though war and by the communists afterwards. The loss is still felt. In the U.S. (and England too from what I read) we chose to destroy our own historical structures because we failed to see the value in them so the sense of loss is different. A special and unbelievable loss is Louis Sullivan's Chicago Stock Exchange Building as recently as the early 1970s. Chicago now capitalizes on it's famous architects to tourists. What a loss that was!
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that was a shame:



His Buffalo masterpiece still stands with all its terracotta glory:





The loss of his Garrick/Schiller Theatre and the Garrick building where it was housed was probably the greatest loss of a Sullivan masterpiece. The Garrick theatre was reputed to0 have had near perfect acoustics and was the stunning result of his collaboration with Adler:









these terracotta portraits is all that has been salvaged from the Garrick and can be seen today on the Second City building:

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Urbanista1, thanks for posting the Sullivan buildings that were lost in Chicago. All that still exists of the stock exchange building is the arched terra cotta front entrance seen in your photo. It now stands alone outside of art museum. To look at it, as all that is left of a great building by a great architect makes you shake your head: What were they thinking!? How could they not see the value!? The Garrick Theatre as your photos show also was a great loss.
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As an aside, in Winter Park Florida near Orlando we have the Morris Museum which has the largest collection of Louis Comfort Tiffany glass in the world. In the museum there is one single intricately stone carved fragment from a Louis Sullivan building on display. That one stone block is now considered a treasure.
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On the topic of rebuilding lost historic structures in the U.S. versus Europe, particularly Germany, the difference is that the Germans were robbed of their landmarks though war and by the communists afterwards. The loss is still felt. In the U.S. (and England too from what I read) we chose to destroy our own historical structures because we failed to see the value in them so the sense of loss is different. A special and unbelievable loss is Louis Sullivan's Chicago Stock Exchange Building as recently as the early 1970s. Chicago now capitalizes on it's famous architects to tourists. What a loss that was!
You read correctly re England and the entire U.K. where cities were wrecked in the 50's 60's and 70's due to a total lack appreciation for the best of the past. Unlike Germany which lost much of it's heritage through war, the U.K. lost many outstanding buildings through sheer ignorance and an obsession that anything new must be superior - we all know what a farce that was. Perhaps it would not have been so bad if structures of high quality were built but it was just the opposite - sheer junk some of which (but not enough) are now being torn down. Historical reconstructions are still considered a no no but the Germans are much more enlightened and as a result their cities are outshining those of the U.K. (apart from London) by a large margin.
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Intourist hotel opened in Baku. The new hotel is located on the coastal area only 300 m away from the demolished historical Intourist hotel:



Designed by architect Alexey Shusev the historical Intourist hotel was opened in Baku in 1934 and became one of the most successfull hotels of the city during the Soviet era:



After the collapse of the Soviet Union the hotel was in bad conditions and finally destroyed in 2006 with ISR Residence built instead:

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Old hotel was quite interesting building, i like it...
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You read correctly re England and the entire U.K. where cities were wrecked in the 50's 60's and 70's due to a total lack appreciation for the best of the past. Unlike Germany which lost much of it's heritage through war, the U.K. lost many outstanding buildings through sheer ignorance and an obsession that anything new must be superior - we all know what a farce that was. Perhaps it would not have been so bad if structures of high quality were built but it was just the opposite - sheer junk some of which (but not enough) are now being torn down. Historical reconstructions are still considered a no no but the Germans are much more enlightened and as a result their cities are outshining those of the U.K. (apart from London) by a large margin.
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