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Old December 23rd, 2015, 07:11 PM   #1061
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This might be of great help for everyone:

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Old December 30th, 2015, 02:45 PM   #1062
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Restoration of the the main tower of the fortress from the 13th century.


Finally will look like this (look based on archeological findings)
If I read it correctly, this place has been a ruin since 1544. While in general I support rebuilding, I think there is a limit to how far back you should go in reconstructing. For me, this building is far over that limit. It has been a ruin for more than twice its 'life' and it wasn't destroyed in a single day, or night, as with most buildings lost in WWII. Its ruination itself was a gradual, almost natural proces that lasted centuries, which made it part of history. Paradoxically, that history is now being destroyed.

Also, while I am sure the rebuilding will be done 'based on archeological findings' and those archeologists will do their very best, I very much doubt that archeology alone can provide a complete picture of what a building that has been a ruin for over four and a half centuries actually looked like.

I am very sorry, but I cannot 'love' this reconstruction.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 04:08 PM   #1063
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Hmm, I tend to agree here. But not because I object the reconstruction of long gone castles, which has been done throughout the centuries until the early 20th century and should be continued, but because the former ruin looked more interesting, romantic and pleasant than what we got now. The roof is still missing, but anyway. Bring at least those lovely climbing plants back!
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Old December 30th, 2015, 04:30 PM   #1064
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I have mixed opinions about reconstruction of medieval castles. If they are reconstructing it just for the sake of reconstruction, then no. But, in this case, they are reconstructing it because it was in a bad condition and a threat for many tourists that visit it every year. Anyway, it's just a reconstruction of central tower, the rest will probably remain a ruin because the conservators haven't mentioned any further reconstruction in articles I've read about the castle and its reconstruction, and the tower will be used for presentation of the castle's history. So, no biggie about this one.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 05:38 PM   #1065
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Of many once imposing castles, there are only tiny fragments or ruins left.

I'd love to see some of them restored to former glory, as close to the original as possible.
Let them multi-millionaires and billionaires do it, I wouldn't object them reconstructing a castle for use as private residences, luxury hotel or whatever.

Germany is full of castle ruins, most of them with only some rather uninteresting dead walls left, they would profit immensely from original or historicising reconstructions like they were done throughout the 19th century (e.g. at the Wartburg, Stolzenfels, Burg Hohenzollern, Schloss Lichtenstein; heck even Neuschwanstein is an example for this, albeit the most famous one). Lists:

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Old December 30th, 2015, 05:48 PM   #1066
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For me it's much more controversial to reconstruct a medieval castle than palace or any other building destroyed, for instance, in WW2. They were usually destroyed centuries ago so one can't possibly know that archeological findings show us completely true, original look of the castle. It's different with baroque or historicist palaces, there are photos from which it can be reconstructed, also there are original plans and other old documents, although I don't know how they reconstruct the original interiors, it sounds unbelievable to me that the people in the past have managed to photograph every single bit of the castle, maybe there are also original plans for that, too.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 08:32 PM   #1067
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There are original plans of medieval castles too, that nowadays are left as ruins.
I think they'd prove to be a solid base for reconstructions, along with views of e.g. Merian.
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Old December 30th, 2015, 08:49 PM   #1068
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Well, there is also one important factor - location. Croatia, for instance, has a gigantic number of huge medieval castles, mostly ruins, that are located practically in the middle of nowhere, without anything interesting excluding the ruins of the castle. Private investors want to make profit, so they have to find a way to entertain their guests, and without a HUGE help of local authority, they just can't do it. That is possibly a job too hard to do. Tourism is turning into a real arena, and the weak ones just can't last long. Also, today rich people are more interested in buying private properties in city centres or such places, although there are maybe those that want to find a peaceful and relaxing place. IMO, the government is the one that has to decide what to do with these structures, some of them should be rebuilt by the country itself to serve as tourist destinations (those that for sure will make profit), others privatised, and some should stay ruins (imagine if someone suggests the reconstruction of Heidelberg Castle ).
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Old December 31st, 2015, 02:28 AM   #1069
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I was about to bring up examples like famed Heidelberg Castle, that of course should stay the romantic ruins they are now; but nothing else will happen there anyway huh.
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Old December 31st, 2015, 12:00 PM   #1070
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If I read it correctly, this place has been a ruin since 1544. While in general I support rebuilding, I think there is a limit to how far back you should go in reconstructing. For me, this building is far over that limit. It has been a ruin for more than twice its 'life' and it wasn't destroyed in a single day, or night, as with most buildings lost in WWII. Its ruination itself was a gradual, almost natural proces that lasted centuries, which made it part of history. Paradoxically, that history is now being destroyed.

Also, while I am sure the rebuilding will be done 'based on archeological findings' and those archeologists will do their very best, I very much doubt that archeology alone can provide a complete picture of what a building that has been a ruin for over four and a half centuries actually looked like.

I am very sorry, but I cannot 'love' this reconstruction.

Partially I agree, but this site is specific.
The fort was destroyed in the attack of the Turkish army and since then has not been inhabited.
The tower itself was burned and collapsed into self , and the archaeologist found a lot of material that allow the reconstruction of the tower and even a basic reconstruction of the interior.
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Old December 31st, 2015, 12:10 PM   #1071
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There are original plans of medieval castles too, that nowadays are left as ruins.
I think they'd prove to be a solid base for reconstructions, along with views of e.g. Merian.
Croatia is specific. We do not have a lot of medieval castles (such as Germany or Ireland, etc.) we have a lot of medieval fortresses, which is a big difference.
Secondly, we do not have large archives such as Germany, Austria, etc, because we have long been part of the AU monarchy and a large part of historical material is in Vienna and Budapest and the quality of that material is often questionable.

I do not think anything bad just want to say that the reconstruction in Germany, for example, is much easier and more reliable than those in Croatia, simply because of the greater availability of high-quality historical material (documents, sketches, plans ...)
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Old January 1st, 2016, 09:48 PM   #1072
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Old project of Holy Heart catholic church , to be completed with the tower soon .



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Old January 2nd, 2016, 02:46 PM   #1073
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It is interesting, a small project and contains so much historical styles.

The project is neo-style but reflections of Venetian Gothic, Romanesque, reflections of Arab architecture, reflections of the English Gothic, Byzantine dome on a part wich connectts the tower with the church ...
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Old January 5th, 2016, 01:50 PM   #1074
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Uhm, ja. But where's the connection to this specific thread exactly?
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Uhm, ja. But where's the connection to this specific thread exactly?
The tower is going to be reconstructed, according to the post title.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 04:51 PM   #1076
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It says it will be completed, not reconstructed. Seriously, why is it so hard to understand the difference between reconstruction and renovation/completion, there are far too many projects here that don't have any connection with this thread.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 08:12 PM   #1077
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It's very interesting nonetheless, to see another completion using old plans.
Do we even have a thread for those? I'm not sure there will be many such projects, but perhaps such a thread could help promote the idea, just like our "New Buildings built in Traditional Architecture Styles" one...
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Old January 6th, 2016, 05:23 PM   #1078
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Partial reconstruction of Regéc Castle (where Prince Francis II Rákóczi spent his childhood).

The castle stands on top of the 625 m high hill, which is situated between two villages Mogyoróska and Regéc.

It was demolished by the Austrians in 1685, after the kuruc (anti-Habsburg) rebels of Stephen Thököly gave it up.

It's a small, but important step. Lets hope there's more to come. "Big things have small beginnings."

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In the 16th century:

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There are so many of these across Central Europe and sometimes I find the ruins so much more romantic than clean reconstructions.
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More great photos of this castle here
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I am really hoping for a full reconstruction. Ruin is nothing. You almost cannot visit this, its really too much ruined to have any meaning. When its reconstructed, it is part of community, part of events, part of active life of the country. I am totally for reconstructions. I am sick of ruins. We need real deal, full view, not just mentions and history, that will be lost in time.
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