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Old March 4th, 2017, 05:38 PM   #1181
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How could such an elaborate full reconstruction only cost 130 million?
I'm ambivalent about this... If it had been an authentic medieval building destroyed in WWII, fair enough, a detailed reconstruction would be ok. But this seems to be a 19th century Neo-Gothic structure, rather over the top and somewhat bizarre (the statues on the turrets look out of proportion), there is too much incoherent decoration etc. The merit of the building, so to speak, would be its unusual character, almost its oddity. If it had survived the war, it would be worth keeping and maintaining. But I'm not sure if it is really worth reconstructing. The current building is more in the spirit of the toned down Gothic buildings of Central Europe (and not only) before they received the Viollet-Le-Duc treatment.
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Old March 5th, 2017, 12:09 AM   #1182
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Such buildings were part of the very fabric of Budapest and other industrialised metropolises throughout Europe. They belong here. And they are part of what the world is so impressed about in this continent. What built and defined regional identities. Just look at Barcelona, Madrid, Milan, Vienna, Paris, London or Berlin and their distinct historicist monumental buildings.

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Sadly here!

The original building was extremly huge and arrogant here, but the building was partially destroyed in the war fortunately and reshaped later. The news about the reconstruction is an urbanistic catastrophe for the Walled city of Buda. The local environment is small size gothic and baroque houses and not kitschy eclectic mosters.

Dude, get real! Look at the church.

And realise what's Budapest's most celebrated buildings: the super eclectic Parliament Building and the Chain Bridge.
The area could take it before and will so again in the future. It's a great and bold idea to reconstruct such a huge 19th century building. Just wish more cities would be that bold.
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Old March 5th, 2017, 07:33 PM   #1183
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The façade of this building was intentionally designed to harmonize with the neoGothic style of the nearby Matthias Church.

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Old March 9th, 2017, 08:21 PM   #1184
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How could such an elaborate full reconstruction only cost 130 million?
The basic structure still exists and it's Hungary meaning much cheaper cost to build.
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Old March 9th, 2017, 08:47 PM   #1185
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The façade of this building was intentionally designed to harmonize with the neoGothic style of the nearby Matthias Church.
Harmonize??? How? The Matthias Church is a mixed real and neogothic architecture, while this building was a basically art nouveau monster with neogothic, renaissance and baroque elements. Monster, because this is the average situation in the Walled city:


The post-war redesign was a reasonable compromise.
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Old March 10th, 2017, 09:49 AM   #1186
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The Matthias Church is a mixed real and neogothic architecture, while this building was a basically art nouveau monster with neogothic, renaissance and baroque elements.
It might have had some renaissance features (in the composition) but I fail to see any baroque elements in it. Yes, it's a hardcore eclectic building but with a strong emphasis on neo-gothic - just as the Matthias Church is (heavily rebuilt in the late 19th century). And it blended with the church at least by the same Zsolnay tiled-roof as well as by the whole neo-gothic appearance. It doesn't seem to ruin toned-down Buda neighbourhood because it was intentionally built as the main accent in the square (well, one of two - along with the church). One waits something not-so-ordinary on this spot.
And I consider 'monster' to be much of an exaggeration here. If you want to see real monsters of the period go to Madrid or Brussels. It's masterly and elegant in its own way. Which, by the way, is not applicable to any Budapest building of its Golden Age. For example, the Transportation Museum which is also going to be reconstructed up to its former grandeur looked much clumsier (if not ugly).
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Old March 10th, 2017, 10:08 AM   #1187
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It might have had some renaissance features (in the composition) but I fail to see any baroque elements in it.
The structure (plan, the basic form) is baroque as the Hungarian parliament is a neobaroque structure with a neogothic facade. This is typical in the Hungarian eclecticism, basically all eclectic building is neobaroque in Hungary with various style of facade. Except few example.

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Yes, it's a hardcore eclectic building but with a strong emphasis on neo-gothic - just as the Matthias Church is (heavily rebuilt in the late 19th century). And it blended with the church at least by the same Zsolnay tiled-roof as well as by the whole neo-gothic appearance. It doesn't seem to ruin toned-down Buda neighbourhood because it was intentionally built as the main accent in the square. One waits something not-so-ordinary on this spot.
The Matthias church is an example of the real gothic/neogothic structure. The former Ministry of Finance building is a kitschy wedding cake beside a classic building. There was a huge contrast, and this was the smaller, because the contrast between their residental environment was brutal!

Look at the normal houses at the left side:


Or even today, after the redesign, the demolition of the forth level for example:


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And I consider 'monster' to be much of an exaggeration here. If you want to see real monsters of the period go to Madrid or Brussels. It's masterly and elegant in its own way. Which is not applicable to any Budapest building of its Golden Age. For example, the Transportation Museum which is also going to be reconstructed up to its former grandeur looked much clumsier (if not ugly).
This size of an eclectic public building was not disturbing in the modern city. But we talk about a medieval environment now!
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Old March 12th, 2017, 01:29 AM   #1188
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A 17th century building that was effectively reconstructed a while back in Drammen, Norway. Or actually it was reconstructed in Latvia as the owner decided to dismantle it and ship it to Latvia for job before it was sent back to Norway again.

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Old March 13th, 2017, 05:15 AM   #1189
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And a facade was also reconstructed in Stavanger last year. This building was originally built in 1878. It got the modernistic look in 1940.

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Old March 14th, 2017, 08:48 PM   #1190
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A reconstruction of the exterior of a Swiss Chalet style house in Eikjabygda in Norway. It was originally built in 1898 but it went through a modernization in 1970 when it received the appearance it had until recently. The reconstruction work was finished in 2016.

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Old March 16th, 2017, 10:17 AM   #1191
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Fabulous Norwegian examples! That's what should happen everywhere. So many once ornate and lovely buildings were ruined during bland modernist times.

I've shared them at another revitalisation thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...post&t=1942961
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Old March 17th, 2017, 02:21 AM   #1192
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That's what should happen everywhere. So many once ornate and lovely buildings were ruined during bland modernist times.
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Indeed. Norway is sadly filled with historic buildings that have lost details of various kinds. Quite a number of buildings have actually been restored in recent years (not many as detailed and comprehensive as the one in Eikjabygda though) but there are still a lot of job left to do and many of them are in danger of being demolished as they do not look like anything special with their modernistic facades.
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Old March 18th, 2017, 05:07 PM   #1193
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There is actually a plan for a similar reconstruction in Molde that have yet to be started from what I understand. The building in question is the swiss chalet style Villa Retiro from the 1870s, it was built as the summer residence for Christian Johnsen (one of the largest exporters of salt cod in Norway at the time) and it featured a large public park. It was "renovated" at some point during the '50s when lost all the towers and detailing. The municipality of Molde currently have a plan to convert the building into a kindergarten and a part of this project is to reconstruct the building and the park back to their 19th century appearance.

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Old March 20th, 2017, 04:49 PM   #1194
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Oh yes, do it! Go Norway!

Btw, the chalet style that characterises places in the Alps and Scandinavia is very related to the classical style of German seaside resorts ("Bäderarchitektur" in German):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resort_architecture



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Old March 22nd, 2017, 04:56 PM   #1195
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Reconstructed villas in Palanga..., Lithuania





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Old March 23rd, 2017, 02:19 PM   #1196
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^ By reconstructed you mean... there was nothing before?
Have those been demolished in Soviet times or what?
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^ By reconstructed you mean... there was nothing before?
Have those been demolished in Soviet times or what?
Just bare walls were left and even they were mostly rotted.
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Old March 26th, 2017, 12:40 AM   #1198
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Thread too interesting and full of ideas .... now we have to go and see for yourself
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A picture of the Hotel Central in the old quarters of Panama City:



A picture of its ongoing reconstruction, or I'd rather say destruction.

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