Liverpool under a Tory government. - Page 4

Tony Sebo · October 6th, 2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Evertonian

I'm not liking the idea of a national Tory government.

HOWEVER!

I am liking the sounds of this....

Bye bye manchester based NWDA!!!

Bye bye Merseytravel!!!

*waves*

They also want to see city based media broadcasters, rather han the current regional franchses. Liverpool is regularly mentioned as one area that would greatly benifi.

Such is the retarded wankery of our local 'cultural' elite however, I can just imagine them all preparing their little shorts to contribute to the nulabour campaigning.... one that keeps them far from flush and the city sidelined by a major competitor city!

design_man · October 6th, 2009, 10:37 PM

I will vote anything to keep Labour out. Labour, the party of a pointless, costly, immoral war in Iraq. Labour, the party that raped Liverpool to feather-nest the loyal voters of Manchester.

Howie_P · October 6th, 2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Comdot

everyone's still obsessing over labour and cons, despite the fact that those are the two out of the main three parties that propose the biggest cuts. if you don't want drastic and in my opinion over-the-top cuts then you could try voting lib dem.

You could try voting Lib-Dem but they're not in the running. It's a two horse race. It's very much a case of which is the lesser of two evils. Labour will be bad for Liverpool. The Conservatives will be even worse for Liverpool. Take your pick.

yoshef · October 6th, 2009, 11:47 PM

I'm also likely to vote Lib Dem. Voting for Labour to keep the Tories out, or vice versa, is just going to keep the duopoly in place for the foreseeable future. If the Lib Dems can increase their share of the vote this time around, maybe the electorate will see them as a serious option for government next time.

Howie_P · October 7th, 2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by yoshef

maybe the electorate will see them as a serious option for government next time.

The Lib-Dems haven't demonstrated much competence in local government here have they? Worst financially performing local authority in the UK, etc.

Howie_P · October 7th, 2009, 12:21 AM

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Tory MP launches ‘Liverpool criminals’ slur
Oct 6 2009
by Marc Waddington, Liverpool Echo

A TORY MP is at the centre of a row after making reference to Liverpool “criminals” taking over pubs in his own constituency.

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yoshef · October 7th, 2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Howie_P

The Lib-Dems haven't demonstrated much competence in local government here have they? Worst financially performing local authority in the UK, etc.

Well to me the Lib Dems have produced very obvious and tangible results in the city centre. Other than saying that, I'll not indulge in any politicking

Richard_A · October 7th, 2009, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by design_man

I will vote anything to keep Labour out. Labour, the party of a pointless, costly, immoral war in Iraq. Labour, the party that raped Liverpool to feather-nest the loyal voters of Manchester.

Are you saying that Liverpool has done worse over the last 10 years than it did under the last Conservative government?

Comdot · October 7th, 2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Howie_P

You could try voting Lib-Dem but they're not in the running. It's a two horse race. It's very much a case of which is the lesser of two evils. Labour will be bad for Liverpool. The Conservatives will be even worse for Liverpool. Take your pick.

again, everyone obsessed with voting for the party they think might win. i don't really see why people have to do that. if you approved of lib dems, you could vote for them and at least it would put a constraint on the power the winning party ended up having, and at worst send a message to them.

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Originally Posted by yoshef

I'm also likely to vote Lib Dem. Voting for Labour to keep the Tories out, or vice versa, is just going to keep the duopoly in place for the foreseeable future. If the Lib Dems can increase their share of the vote this time around, maybe the electorate will see them as a serious option for government next time.

exactly.

Babaloo · October 7th, 2009, 10:21 AM

It will be interesting to see the polls at the end of the Tory party conference after what Boy George said yesterday. I suspect their lead will take a bit of a dip.

Villiers Terrace · October 7th, 2009, 04:22 PM

Also, dont forget the "Unemployment is a price worth paying." line.

"Worth paying" for what, and for whom?

It could only have come from a Tory.

Tony Sebo · October 7th, 2009, 05:57 PM

for the collectve?

I thought it was right on for individuals to make major sacrifices for the good of the wider community?

Splendidineogh · October 7th, 2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Villiers Terrace

Also, dont forget the "Unemployment is a price worth paying." line.

"Worth paying" for what, and for whom?

It could only have come from a Tory.

Whose comments were those; do you have a source?

This country's deficit is likely to reach in the region of £200Billion this year. Do you understand how serious that is and that something needs doing about it? Or do you just want the entire country to sink? Maybe you are somebody who has nothing to lose, but for those of us who do and have children, your "Tories are evil, Labour is brill" mantra just doesn't wash.

Do you have anything other than slogans to get your point across?

Toadboy · October 7th, 2009, 07:35 PM

Does that debt include the assets acquired by the nation?

Splendidineogh · October 7th, 2009, 08:17 PM

Government debt is more like £2.2Trillion!!! The interest payments must be eye watering. It is the deficit this year that will reach £200Billion.

If the assets you are referring to include the bank shares acquired by the government, then yes I imagine they are included in the debt figure - at least I hope they are.

Unfortunately, it is very difficult to know whether or not a profit will ever be achieved on the purchase of those assets, and if so, when? It isn't inconceivable that the state of those banks acquired could worsen, which would potentially add extra 100s of billions into the mix.

For an idea of the dire straits the public finances, and the country, are in then have a read of this. (it isn't as neutral a source as I would like - I only had a quick look, but the figures used haven't been invented. I'd also happily read a credible alternative source that says otherwise if you can find one.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...on-please.html

design_man · October 7th, 2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard_A

Are you saying that Liverpool has done worse over the last 10 years than it did under the last Conservative government?

The cities were doing badly despite the Tories, and it was only towards the end that the Tories developed a basic sympathy to the idea of an urban policy. So all the industrial / coastal cities suffered. Under Labour, Liverpool has been singled out to be excluded from the benefits of increased national weath, consistently, so the benefits can be funnelled into the loyal new Labour authority Manchester and its suburbs. It has been deliberate - Andy Burnham came as close as legally possible to admitting it during the local elections. Liverpool has been punished for voting Lib Dem, and for having shit old-Labour councillors who weren't in tune with modern thinking.

So Labour have indeed raped Liverpool, of opportunities, investment and a fair chance to develop and compete. The Tories never did that - they were more even-handed. Under New Labour, Manchester gets a £90m new train station, Liverpool gets £3m to re-tile a bit of the station floor. That type of thing has been repeated consistently, with New Labour repeatedly punishing Liverpool and rewarding its own counci in Manchester.

eyeam · October 7th, 2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Howie_P

The Lib-Dems haven't demonstrated much competence in local government here have they? Worst financially performing local authority in the UK, etc.

They've still done a far, far better job than Joe Anderson & the local Labour party would do. If he/they ever get back in then we'll be fucked.

I'm more concerned about that than I am with which interchangable party is in control of Whitehall. I wouldn't ever vote Tory and I wouldn't ever vote New 'Labour' because A) they're exactly like the Tories anyway now and B) the way they've done their utmost to advance Manchester at primarily our expense (but also the likes of Leeds & Brum to a lesser extent) disgusts me

Babaloo · October 8th, 2009, 09:22 AM

As well as considering which party is best for Liverpool - it's also important to vote for a party that has values that you can live with even if it means having to sup with devil using a very long spoon. I will be voting Labour in the next general election simply because Louise Ellman is the best candidate. I would not currently vote for Labour in local elections because I can't take the local party seriously. I'm not keen on the local Lib Dems either but in a choice between two evils they win.

I think if the Tories get in and the Labour party doesn't win control locally then very little will change. The Tories will scrap NWDA but not GONW (as far as I'm aware) so little of substance will change.

buggedboy · October 8th, 2009, 10:15 AM

there will always be an office for GONW I guess, whoever wins. That is the local outpost of central government. The two Tory policies I like are the scrapping of the NWDA and the increase in local power. However, the huge and quick cuts in public services they propose will massively impact upon unemployment here, whilst the private sector recovery will come in places like London and Leeds, where there is more private sector representation.

Encouraging the private sector by dumping people who work for the state is not the way to do things.

Clearly the Tories won't win in Liverpool, but there may be some inroads in places not to far away, possibly over the water amd up in Sefton.

Awayo · October 8th, 2009, 10:31 AM

They'll win in Sefton Central (crapply named new consituency for Formby and the generally more properous end of Crosby -- a suburban town now split between consituencies, wft?). Claire Curtis-Thomas is already bailing. No bad thing in itself but the dawning of Debi Jones MP is hardly encouraging either (oh how the Fleet Street sketch writers will love sneering at the stupid scouse woman backing up every prejudice in their nasty little heads).

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October 6th, 2009, 10:37 PM	#62
design_man Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,200 Likes (Received): 31	I will vote anything to keep Labour out. Labour, the party of a pointless, costly, immoral war in Iraq. Labour, the party that raped Liverpool to feather-nest the loyal voters of Manchester.

October 6th, 2009, 11:47 PM	#64
yoshef I like beer. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In your face Posts: 10,445 Likes (Received): 89	I'm also likely to vote Lib Dem. Voting for Labour to keep the Tories out, or vice versa, is just going to keep the duopoly in place for the foreseeable future. If the Lib Dems can increase their share of the vote this time around, maybe the electorate will see them as a serious option for government next time.

October 7th, 2009, 10:21 AM	#70
Babaloo Fiat Lux Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,598 Likes (Received): 0	It will be interesting to see the polls at the end of the Tory party conference after what Boy George said yesterday. I suspect their lead will take a bit of a dip.

October 7th, 2009, 04:22 PM	#71
Villiers Terrace I caught a falling star Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,131 Likes (Received): 8	Also, dont forget the "Unemployment is a price worth paying." line. "Worth paying" for what, and for whom? It could only have come from a Tory.

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Tony Sebo BANNED Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 18,306 Likes (Received): 4	for the collectve? I thought it was right on for individuals to make major sacrifices for the good of the wider community?

October 7th, 2009, 08:17 PM	#75
Splendidineogh Ffestiniog Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 838 Likes (Received): 0	Government debt is more like £2.2Trillion!!! The interest payments must be eye watering. It is the deficit this year that will reach £200Billion. If the assets you are referring to include the bank shares acquired by the government, then yes I imagine they are included in the debt figure - at least I hope they are. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to know whether or not a profit will ever be achieved on the purchase of those assets, and if so, when? It isn't inconceivable that the state of those banks acquired could worsen, which would potentially add extra 100s of billions into the mix. For an idea of the dire straits the public finances, and the country, are in then have a read of this. (it isn't as neutral a source as I would like - I only had a quick look, but the figures used haven't been invented. I'd also happily read a credible alternative source that says otherwise if you can find one.) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...on-please.html

October 8th, 2009, 09:22 AM	#78
Babaloo Fiat Lux Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,598 Likes (Received): 0	As well as considering which party is best for Liverpool - it's also important to vote for a party that has values that you can live with even if it means having to sup with devil using a very long spoon. I will be voting Labour in the next general election simply because Louise Ellman is the best candidate. I would not currently vote for Labour in local elections because I can't take the local party seriously. I'm not keen on the local Lib Dems either but in a choice between two evils they win. I think if the Tories get in and the Labour party doesn't win control locally then very little will change. The Tories will scrap NWDA but not GONW (as far as I'm aware) so little of substance will change.

October 8th, 2009, 10:15 AM	#79
buggedboy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,398 Likes (Received): 174	there will always be an office for GONW I guess, whoever wins. That is the local outpost of central government. The two Tory policies I like are the scrapping of the NWDA and the increase in local power. However, the huge and quick cuts in public services they propose will massively impact upon unemployment here, whilst the private sector recovery will come in places like London and Leeds, where there is more private sector representation. Encouraging the private sector by dumping people who work for the state is not the way to do things. Clearly the Tories won't win in Liverpool, but there may be some inroads in places not to far away, possibly over the water amd up in Sefton.

October 8th, 2009, 10:31 AM	#80
Awayo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hrafenmeles Posts: 14,008 Likes (Received): 111	They'll win in Sefton Central (crapply named new consituency for Formby and the generally more properous end of Crosby -- a suburban town now split between consituencies, wft?). Claire Curtis-Thomas is already bailing. No bad thing in itself but the dawning of Debi Jones MP is hardly encouraging either (oh how the Fleet Street sketch writers will love sneering at the stupid scouse woman backing up every prejudice in their nasty little heads).