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Old October 15th, 2009, 01:09 AM   #41
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watered down classical always looks bad.
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Old October 16th, 2009, 05:35 PM   #42
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From: Stalinist Skyscrapers Outside of Moscow.
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Old October 16th, 2009, 06:03 PM   #43
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This looks classic, but I think it's ugly too...
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Old October 17th, 2009, 03:03 AM   #44
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Well its a very reliable "Stalinist" building. Im beginning to understand that style. Perhaps I dont like that proportions, but I like the concept and the politic ideologies that were expressed by the design of these bulidings.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 06:19 AM   #45
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I enjoy that building actually and fully appreciate it!
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Old October 17th, 2009, 06:56 AM   #46
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aiaiai, no, it looks very very cheap

you know, sometimes you feel a building lies - like a farmer-boy that tries so much to adapt the style of an aristocrat that he doesn't realise how much it makes him look like a farmer-boy
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Old October 17th, 2009, 07:35 AM   #47
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It will wipe the floor with Triumph Palace any day.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 08:14 AM   #48
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There's the Wells Fargo Tower in Minneapolis, designed by Cesar Pelli and recalling the art deco skyscrapers:





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Old October 17th, 2009, 09:54 AM   #49
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Asian classical architecture sucks. These old-looking buildings are just poor exaggerated rip offs from European styles. I'd rather see something like the Wells Fargo Tower (as above), because it is just inspired by classical architecture, not a fake copy.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 10:19 AM   #50
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These old-looking buildings are just poor exaggerated rip offs from European styles.
European styles? Europe was flat until very recently.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 10:22 AM   #51
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^ ramses, you put a lot of effort into that one, huh? and if you're going to arbitrarily claim ownership of particular architectural styles, many of the 'classical' skyscrapers in the occidental world closely aped the proportions of the muslim moorish/baroque giralda.

anyway, back to the actual thread.

wasn't art deco considered modern just a few decades ago? it was one of the first styles to effectively use the then-revolutionary advances in materials and construction techniques. but then the looser definitions of 'classical' may just include everything before the 1920s-> modernists.

most peoples' definitions of 'classical' stuff (from the narrow eurocentric perspective of most design schools) are the (any of the 3) column styles attached to the pediment. unfortunately the very heavy stonework doesn't lend itself well to skyscrapers. art deco still works. 'classical' stuff with the columns and pediments generally doesn't.

'classically styled' skyscrapers (or at least the modern definition of them) aren't built anymore because they're not cost effective in this era. in the 80s and early 90s, bits and pieces of classical elements and detailing were grafted onto essentially modern buildings. of course po-mo was often done poorly too, and the entire movement fell out of fashion.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 10:57 AM   #52
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unfortunately the very heavy stonework doesn't lend itself well to skyscrapers. art deco still works. 'classical' stuff with the columns and pediments generally doesn't.
These are rather popular in Asia. I have seen some "great" examples in Bangkok (hotel I was staying in) and in Shanghai they have a fad for classical style skyscrapers with columns. In China this is popular style now to build in.

Hotel in Bangkok


Macau with statues included on the facade.
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^yeah, but those would most likely be described as po-mo. those 'classical' skyscrapers would be more akin to the prewar ones throughout northeastern quarter of north america, and the stalinist neogothic stuff.

that's just too expensive now.

here's an example of a modern-day proposal for a beaux arts inspired classical skyscraper in los angeles.



supposedly the window openings were made extra small, to mimic the aesthetics of load bearing walls. some people love it, and i would have been impressed too. but then these proposals are dropped for obvious reasons... i.e. they don't make financial sense.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 11:23 AM   #54
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So no beautiful skyscrapers anymore? :(
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Old October 17th, 2009, 11:39 AM   #55
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Oh, I almost forgot - there's some interesting stuff in Turkmenistan:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=824176

The thread is a little heavy - but it's worth it.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 12:12 PM   #56
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Old October 17th, 2009, 12:25 PM   #57
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Oh, I almost forgot - there's some interesting stuff in Turkmenistan:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=824176
Some of this stuff is just disgusting.


This is not architecture anymore, it's plastic.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 12:54 PM   #58
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^ Indeed, that's not the kind of revival I'd like to see for classical highrise buildings.


Rather this:
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here's an example of a modern-day proposal for a beaux arts inspired classical skyscraper in los angeles.



but then these proposals are dropped for obvious reasons... i.e. they don't make financial sense.
Now that's amazing stuff. Robertson Partners are creating quite some great classical architecture.


Just have a look at their website: http://www.robertsonpartners.net/ResComMixUse.htm


Any chance these LA towers could be up on the list again and getting built?
Btw, is there any tower by them which was already built? I'd like to see their solutions for details, materials etc. Their mansions already look fantastic!

They should build such towers in the US and elsewhere again, such as The Elysian in Chicago!


by Lucien Lagrange architects (website: http://www.lucienlagrange.com/)

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Or what about some more modern, but still classical ones?

Such as 30 Park Place in NYC:


by pase.com (it's in the center)


Or thise one: 1 St. Thomas in Toronto

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by flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/st-even/2282138883/


by CDL.TO


by Mike in TO


by yorkvilleluxuryrealestate.com - even more great buildings there


More (really interesting) Toronto residential buildings: http://www.hometrader.ca/article.asp...-NHC&cmsid=304



So, what do you think?
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Old October 17th, 2009, 01:13 PM   #59
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I also hate that eurocrap. These are what I prefer:





















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