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Old August 10th, 2017, 06:26 AM   #241
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Old August 10th, 2017, 01:28 PM   #242
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Old October 10th, 2017, 05:58 AM   #243
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 12:17 AM   #244
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Comparison of road sign and signpost fonts in European countries:



I believe using capital letters only on signposts is a bad idea since for lowercase letters it's easier to early recognize the city name since it always has characteristic shape. In case of capitals only, everything is rectangular.

This doesn't work for the Cyrylic alphabet, where the lowercase letters are usually miniatures of the uppercase ones and all of them have practically the same height.

But concerning the Latin alphabet, quite many countries use capitals:
- seemingly, some parts of Spain
- Ireland (as I checked, the signs are bilingual, in straight capitals in English and in italic lowercase in Irish)
- France (because... Germans use lowercase, so the French must be different?)
- Czech Republic and Slovakia
- Sweden and Finland (but not Norway)
- Latvia and Lithuania
- Italy
- Albania
- supposedly... Greece, but I checked, and the signs are bilingual/bialphabetical (Greek and Latin/English; although personally, once I saw the German language instead of English - on a sign directing to a German military graveyard), but there is no difference in "caseness" of the script, they are distinguished from each other by color - the names in Greek are yellow and those in English are white

Most of the Latin-writing Europe uses lowercase letters, but they are exception, some of which (like Czech Republic and Slovakia or Sweden and Finland) are difficult to explain why they chose uppercase font.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 12:51 AM   #245
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Greece uses both uppercase and regular ones. But AFAIK uppercase is on motorways. I know Cyrilic and also Greek alphabet, but I am not able to read those signs written with small letters.

Slovakia does not use uppercase anymore. Since 2014 the official typeface is Tern (the same used in Austria) with small letters.

The transition period would take very long, but new motorways sign are made in Tern. The temporary signs in Bratislava erected recently are also made in Tern.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 02:26 AM   #246
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And in Poland now they want to add Polish names of foreign cities next to the original ones used until now, but... not successively, with the normal signage exchange, but immediately, spending on it a lot of money!

Those nationalists...

Why so? I don't know. Maybe they are afraid that someone, maybe from a different political option, who will win the next elections, would stop the project.

Or just because they want the people see they are doing something. Regardless of how stupid it may be.

Let's say I agree that bilingual signs would be in some way better than the foreign-only ones (although it's not difficult to guess what city they mean anyway as the names in Polish are similar, nothing like the Hungarian-Romanian Koloszvar vs. Cluj-Napoca). But it not such an important and urgent issue to spend a big amount of money on it...

Or they just can't bear seeing the names of cities which are Polish in their minds (like Lwˇw or Wilno, in the spelling they love) so much. Of course history is history and they have no way of returning them to Poland (not to mention it makes no sense nowadays when almost all the Poles from there were moved to the "regained lands", the population which lives there is mostly Ukrainian/Lithuanian, while we in Poland we are in a situation comfortable as nowhere else in Europe with 95% of the population of Poland being Polish). So they are trying to do what they can - modify the road signs...

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Old November 23rd, 2017, 10:44 AM   #247
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But concerning the Latin alphabet, quite many countries use capitals:
- Italy
In Italy capital are used only on city names and location's names proper. Any other text isn't in capital...
(I hope is comprensible, sorry for bad english...)
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 04:08 PM   #248
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And in Poland now they want to add Polish names of foreign cities next to the original ones used until now, but... not successively, with the normal signage exchange, but immediately, spending on it a lot of money!

Those nationalists...

Why so? I don't know. Maybe they are afraid that someone, maybe from a different political option, who will win the next elections, would stop the project.

Or just because they want the people see they are doing something. Regardless of how stupid it may be.
I believe it is quite a common way to write the foreign names in the local language. And often in the local language only.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 08:39 PM   #249
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- supposedly... Greece, but I checked, and the signs are bilingual/bialphabetical (Greek and Latin/English; although personally, once I saw the German language instead of English - on a sign directing to a German military graveyard), but there is no difference in "caseness" of the script, they are distinguished from each other by color - the names in Greek are yellow and those in English are white.
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Greece uses both uppercase and regular ones. But AFAIK uppercase is on motorways. I know Cyrilic and also Greek alphabet, but I am not able to read those signs written with small letters.
The reason that you see instances of motorway signs that use all capital lettering is simply because they were designed with the old guidelines and standards in mind.
This changed in 2003's revision of the guidelines, and it has become common practice ever since, even though that revision was officially approved for public use just in 2011.

Before 2003-2004:


After 2004:



As for the fonts, motorway signs (the green ones) use the DIN 1451 (both Mittelschrift and Engschrift). Meanwhile in all other roads, we use a variant of the British Transport font.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 09:56 PM   #250
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As for the fonts, motorway signs (the green ones) use the DIN 1451 (both Mittelschrift and Engschrift). Meanwhile in all other roads, we use a variant of the British Transport font.
I have just recently realized that your motorway font is the same as our licence plate font.

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Old November 23rd, 2017, 10:14 PM   #251
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It's interesting that the Greek motorway signage uses many elements from the German signage. But they use the prefix 'A' in the number shield. Germany doesn't do that (and evidently, the old Greek system didn't either).
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 11:32 PM   #252
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Probably they saw that the German system is good and just copied it.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 11:46 PM   #253
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One of things I noticed some time ago about road signs in other countries is how common directional signs are on surface streets in urban areas. In the USA it's rare outside of those that junction with freeways/motorways.
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I have just recently realized that your motorway font is the same as our licence plate font.
Yes, it looks very similar to the German DIN 1451.
We do the same in our license plates, since 2004.




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It's interesting that the Greek motorway signage uses many elements from the German signage. But they use the prefix 'A' in the number shield. Germany doesn't do that (and evidently, the old Greek system didn't either).
The Greek motorway signing guidelines, called ΟΜΟΕ-ΚΣΑ, are essentially a copy of the German RWBA 2000. There are a few deviations here and there, one of which you already mentioned, but the basic principles are the exactly the same.
You may find a copy of the guidelines here.
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Old November 26th, 2017, 08:57 PM   #255
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But concerning the Latin alphabet, quite many countries use capitals:
- seemingly, some parts of Spain
It's not really about "parts", but about the kind of road. Upper-case (VALENCIA) -> non-motorways, lower-case (Zaragoza) -> motorways.
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Old November 27th, 2017, 12:17 PM   #256
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One of things I noticed some time ago about road signs in other countries is how common directional signs are on surface streets in urban areas. In the USA it's rare outside of those that junction with freeways/motorways.
The average US city, with a reasonably regular grid of streets/avenues that are often numbered and usually very well signed, is in my experience still much easier to navigate than cities of most of the rest of the world, though.
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Old December 3rd, 2017, 04:00 PM   #257
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Old December 5th, 2017, 11:30 AM   #258
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Switzerland removes all "Crosswind" signs:
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There are efforts to thin out the "Schilderwald" (traffic sign jungle). According to the authorities the crosswind sign doesn't contribute to the road safety and is therefore not important.

The actual wind cones are still present and a better indicator for winds.
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