KINSHASA | N'Djili International Airport Expansion .

[BUTEMBO21]

Anyways; now that the provinces are going to get their their 40% share.

There will be no more legit complains against government's priorities.

[Pius]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

so were are you? not Germany?

I'm in Texas. shooting , riding horses, drinking beer.

Oh yes, Butembo21, I'm very much in Germany drinking beer and eating Bratwurst (fried sausage). I was just referring to the grammatical mistake I made.

[MBA-Congo]

samedi 20 février 2010

La fin des travaux de construction et d’asphaltage d’une route de 800 m constituant la 2ème entrée de N’Djili intervient bientôt, a déclaré jeudi l’ingénieur chargé de l’exécution de ces travaux. Ce dernier a fait état de l’évolution normale des travaux dont le début remonte depuis 2007. Initiés par le gouvernement provincial de Kinshasa dans le cadre du programme de cinq chantiers de la République.


L’ingénieur de génie civil a, par ailleurs, indiqué que deux petites étapes restent à franchir pour arriver à bout de ces travaux, à savoir la construction de deux dalots et l’asphaltage proprement dit.

Il a ensuite déploré le comportement de la population qui continue à jeter les immondices sur le chantier.

Réalisée par l’entreprise SAFRICAS, la construction d’une deuxième entrée dans la commune de N’Djili, Est de Kinshasa, va favoriser la fluidité dans la circulation des automobiles, mettant ainsi fin aux embouteillages au niveau du quartier I sur le boulevard Lumumba.

[evany]

A country so rich so rich and this the best they can get???I'm seriously disappointed with congo...besides the airport looks small...what hell Congo???spend some money damn it...the world is always turning...today you have and tomorrow you may not...so please spend some money in beautiful projects and not this...but congrats....but I didn't like it...

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by evany

A country so rich so rich and this the best they can get???I'm seriously disappointed with congo...besides the airport looks small...what hell Congo???spend some money damn it...the world is always turning...today you have and tomorrow you may not...so please spend some money in beautiful projects and not this...but congrats....but I didn't like it...

I know the Airport looks so small , like someone's house.

But a much bigger 26,000 ms Terminal will be design is coming out soon. We will post it as soon as we get the info.

Things are just in the beggining.

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by Mulopwe

Here is another waste. Base on current traffic, there is no need for huge terminal. I prefer original design, small terminal with room for expansion. Use that extra cash to build or improve others provincial airport such as Butembo, Tshikapa, Isiro, Kikwit etc….

Mulopwe

Why do you refer to everything as wastes?

When they don't build anything you complain, when they do, you complain as well.

Your supposed to be like the facts that something is being built.

Every developing country builds by prioritizing. thats the reality of developing nations.

[Mulopwe]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

Why do you refer to everything as wastes?

When they don't build anything you complain, when they do, you complain as well.

Your supposed to be like the facts that something is being built.

Every developing country builds by prioritizing. thats the reality of developing nations.

You have it wrong. I am being realistic. I support small terminal vs. all of who think that they should construct huge one. I love the design; there is room for expansion when needed.

Mulopwe

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by Mulopwe

You have it wrong. I am being realistic. I support small terminal vs. all of who think that they should construct huge one. I love the design; there is room for expansion when needed.

Mulopwe

26,000 m2 isn't huge. its just a reasonable size, not that little Terminal that looks like some rich guy's house. (Though i like the design , but not the size)

The Johanesburg, Cairo Airports are the huge ones.

Plus we can't say that today's number of passengers isn't going to be the same 3-4 years when the Terminal is complete. we all know the numbers are increasing.

[Lubum09]

Originally Posted by Mulopwe

You have it wrong. I am being realistic. I support small terminal vs. all of who think that they should construct huge one. I love the design; there is room for expansion when needed.

Mulopwe

According to the expexted growth of the economy and the air traffic, I think a huge terminal is needed (kinshasa still remains the capital of one of the biggest african country's!), that must be considered.

[Mulopwe]

Originally Posted by Lubum09

According to the expexted growth of the economy and the air traffic, I think a huge terminal is needed (kinshasa still remains the capital of one of the biggest african country's!), that must be considered.

Not when half of the population has any access to clean water or electricity. Not when our soldiers or teachers get barely $60.00 per month. To me, small terminal with room for expansion is a good start. Spend extra money on projects that will have direct impact on average citizen’s daily life make more sense to me.

Mulopwe

[Lubum09]

Originally Posted by Mulopwe

Not when half of the population has any access to clean water or electricity. Not when our soldiers or teachers get barely $60.00 per month. To me, small terminal with room for expansion is a good start. Spend extra money on projects that will have direct impact on average citizen’s daily life make more sense to me.

Mulopwe

Yes, you're right, a new terminal is not a priority, and the well-being of the population is much more important. But if the government choose to build a new terminal, even if it's not a good choice, than they have to do it correctly, and not do things by halves....

[BUTEMBO21]

Some people get what they have asked for.

Muji-Mayi is a very populated city behind Kinshasa.

It asked and recieved $20 million to reopen MIBA instead of using it for Regideso/Water.

They consider diamonds to be more Important than water and electricity.

Sad, but true.



But anyways; the Terminal has nothing to do with government money. it's RVA's money and Chinese contracts.

So, yes, the Terminal doesn't deserve criticism at all.

[Mulopwe]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

Some people get what they have asked for.

Muji-Mayi is a very populated city behind Kinshasa.

It asked and recieved $20 million to reopen MIBA instead of using it for Regideso/Water.

They consider diamonds to be more Important than water and electricity.

Sad, but true.



But anyways; the Terminal has nothing to do with government money. it's RVA's money and Chinese contracts.

So, yes, the Terminal doesn't deserve criticism at all.

Here you go again. Can u have dissent exchange without politics and unnecessary comments?

Most cities in DRC have no access to clean water and power shortage is common.

Corrupted politicians bankrupted Miba, Okimo, and Gecamine etc…. . All the promises made for Miba are, distraction period…… No money has been release.

Mulopwe

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by Mulopwe

Here you go again. Can u have dissent exchange without politics and unnecessary comments?

Most cities in DRC have no access to clean water and power shortage is common.

Corrupted politicians bankrupted Miba, Okimo, and Gecamine etc…. . All the promises made for Miba are, distraction period…… No money has been release.

Mulopwe

MIBA was simply banqrupted because of the world diamond market prices.

Didn't you see what happened to Botwana?


There is nothing with my comments.

I said that as an exemple , people back home are thinking differently from the diaspora. we think about something, but llok at how epople were celebrating about the 20 million they recieved to reopen MIBA.


Every city have water problems.

But we have to except a single simple thing. The country is not going to develop the way some people wants it.

We will never get to any agreements regarding that matter. it's useless to continue arguing over the same thing over and over.

[BUTEMBO21]

Mulopwe,

I do respect you for the opinions/views on social issues, Admire you for advocating for th poor.( It's just that i feel horrible when pooer countries than us leave us behind.)

I need explainations about something though.

You have been criticizing the only Hospital in a country of 65 million people.

Now you Criticizing a Terminal that will not recieve government/ Welfaire hands outs.(

If you support the Sino-Congolese deal like you said before, why will you be critizing the Terminal ?).

Now: You haven't critized MIBA's $20 million welfare from the Central government, and sow in the video people very happy.

Are Diamond more important than water and electricity?

[MBA-Congo]

The richest, most travelled, and educated people come from Kasai but yet they never invest their wealth back into their province, it's about time people in Kasai started investing back into their state. It's a good thing the governor is starting to take that step.

[kaps76]

[QUOTE=BUTEMBO21;52396389]MIBA was simply banqrupted because of the world diamond market prices.

Didn't you see what happened to Botwana?

QUOTE]

Hi Butembo,.

I dony quite agree with you on that. Miba was bankrupt because of great mismanagement, corruption, lack of invesstment ant plunders by the Kabila's. You will remember that Miba was used essentially from 98 to fund the War LD Kabila fought agaisnt Rwanda and Uganda. They used Miba essentially as an ATM machine without putting money in there. How many time and how many loans we later given to Miba to try to salvage this company, so far without success. Yes the diamong price on the international market had gone down at some point but that wasnt the main reason. Production were lowered in most diamond producing countries but it didnt bring these companies on their knees, which is the contrary of MIBA. It is sad to say that MiBA is one victim of political mismanagement, like many other mining companies that were somehow functional in the mid-90's.

[kaps76]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

Some people get what they have asked for.

Muji-Mayi is a very populated city behind Kinshasa.

It asked and recieved $20 million to reopen MIBA instead of using it for Regideso/Water.

They consider diamonds to be more Important than water and electricity.

Sad, but true.



But anyways; the Terminal has nothing to do with government money. it's RVA's money and Chinese contracts.

So, yes, the Terminal doesn't deserve criticism at all.

Hi Butembo,

I dont think they consider diamond more important than water or electricity. I guess we can always discuss longer about that. I however think that the government has a huge responsibility of putting Miba back on train since they are mainly responsibile of its bankruptcy. If well managed, Miba money can be used to provide water and electricity to the local population. A lot of work needs to be done in the two Kasai provinces and I hope the successfull people from these two provinces will start investing in their native place.

Also, dont forget that all passengers pay a fee for every flight they take, therefore, the citizen are paying for these works and should be informed on the disposiution of the money, but unfortunately there is a mistery cloud in terms of how this money is managed. Things got to change....

In addition, I have always wondered whether the chinese contract will help us put some transformation industries back in track. It is good to build infrastructure, roads and others but it wouldnt make sense to me if we dont use this opportunity to lay down new foundation to ressurect our economy. At this point, we are still not producing goods as we should have. The structure of our economy is almost non-existant. We import almost everything. In my opinion, the chinese contract, I hope should help put back somoe of our major comanies back on track, so they can provide work to the people and bring money to the company (ONATRA, SNCF, MIBA, GECAMINES, SNEL, REGIDESO, agriculture..). There is no point having roads but with no producing/transformation industries if you are to have the amibition of being a major economic power in the continent.

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by kaps76

Hi Butembo,

I dont think they consider diamond more important than water or electricity. I guess we can always discuss longer about that. I however think that the government has a huge responsibility of putting Miba back on train since they are mainly responsibile of its bankruptcy. If well managed, Miba money can be used to provide water and electricity to the local population. A lot of work needs to be done in the two Kasai provinces and I hope the successfull people from these two provinces will start investing in their native place.

Also, dont forget that all passengers pay a fee for every flight they take, therefore, the citizen are paying for these works and should be informed on the disposiution of the money, but unfortunately there is a mistery cloud in terms of how this money is managed. Things got to change....

In addition, I have always wondered whether the chinese contract will help us put some transformation industries back in track. It is good to build infrastructure, roads and others but it wouldnt make sense to me if we dont use this opportunity to lay down new foundation to ressurect our economy. At this point, we are still not producing goods as we should have. The structure of our economy is almost non-existant.

I agree ,

We import almost everything. In my opinion, the chinese contract, I hope should help put back somoe of our major comanies back on track, so they can provide work to the people and bring money to the company (ONATRA, SNCF, MIBA, GECAMINES, SNEL, REGIDESO, agriculture..). There is no point having roads but with no producing/transformation industries if you are to have the amibition of being a major economic power in the continent.

ONATRA,GECAMINES, SNEL, REGIDESO, SNCC in my opinion are more critical to comeback in business.

Agriculture will never be back if Roads, Rail are not rebuilt. Agriculture depends on Transportation. if people produce more, we must transport them to the Consuming areas before they are rotten.

To transform these products we indeed need SNEL, REGIDESO. (water and electricity). Therefore the Retail industry will boom.

Originally Posted by kaps76

Hi Butembo,.

I dony quite agree with you on that. Miba was bankrupt because of great mismanagement, corruption, lack of invesstment ant plunders by the Kabila's. You will remember that Miba was used essentially from 98 to fund the War LD Kabila fought agaisnt Rwanda and Uganda. They used Miba essentially as an ATM machine without putting money in there. How many time and how many loans we later given to Miba to try to salvage this company, so far without success. Yes the diamong price on the international market had gone down at some point but that wasnt the main reason. Production were lowered in most diamond producing countries but it didnt bring these companies on their knees, which is the contrary of MIBA. It is sad to say that MiBA is one victim of political mismanagement, like many other mining companies that were somehow functional in the mid-90's.

Everything died in the '90s, if you look at GECAMINES, you will cry. Even the engineers run away to Sout Africa.\ and other countries.

Even though it's trying to come back, it doesn't have engineers, its like having cars , that have no drivers.


You know this centralization system we had from Mobutu never worked and never will. especially for a big country like that.

From 1998 times of the wars that destroyed every existing thing to the death of M'zee to the so called Transitional government 4+1 , to the elections, to the post-elections to the mining booms, to 2010.

We have had a hell ride while other countries were enjoying the economic booms.
We didn't even have an army untill 2004, a huge, 60 million people country that produces next to nothing.

Roads, Rairoads, SNEL, REGIDESO , AGriculture and the educated class(be it small or big) that exist. are the things that will bring back this country to life.

Without them we are doomed.

Anyhow; my whole point is what; we all have the rights to criticise. we must not be selective in our critics as some people have.

The country still has billions of challenges, but we can't just say that the country is the same as it was in 1998, or 2002 or 2005, we are begining to see some changes . Changes that are giving lots of people hope. it must remain that way, turning hope into realities. instead of criticizing even the same changes that are giving people hope.

[Mulopwe]

[QUOTE=kaps76;52438653]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

MIBA was simply banqrupted because of the world diamond market prices.

Didn't you see what happened to Botwana?

QUOTE]

Hi Butembo,.

I dony quite agree with you on that. Miba was bankrupt because of great mismanagement, corruption, lack of invesstment ant plunders by the Kabila's. You will remember that Miba was used essentially from 98 to fund the War LD Kabila fought agaisnt Rwanda and Uganda. They used Miba essentially as an ATM machine without putting money in there. How many time and how many loans we later given to Miba to try to salvage this company, so far without success. Yes the diamong price on the international market had gone down at some point but that wasnt the main reason. Production were lowered in most diamond producing countries but it didnt bring these companies on their knees, which is the contrary of MIBA. It is sad to say that MiBA is one victim of political mismanagement, like many other mining companies that were somehow functional in the mid-90's.

+1

Mulopwe