Happy 60th National Day!!! 欢度国庆

[mooncakes]

Originally Posted by z0rg

In every country where minorities are discriminated mixed children always pick the majority group. But in China seems like it is exactly the opposite. That proves that belonging to a minority is an advantage in China, and all the stories about minorities being discriminated, etc, are pure lies.

So, according to what you said. I believe that all the stories about Han being discriminated, etc, are pure truths.

[pivdivy]

http://www.rfa.org/english/news/chin...009150701.html

Taiwan Offers China Model

HONG KONG — Taiwan, which marks its own National Day nine days after a lavish display of communist military power by rival Beijing, should provide the model for reunification with China, a former top Communist Party aide has said.

Bao Tong, former aide to late ousted Party chief Zhao Ziyang, lauded the current form of democracy on the self-governing island, which still celebrates the fall of the Qing dynasty (1644-1911) with the 1911 revolution led by Sun Yat-sen.

“In Taiwan, where there is no socialism, it is possible to ferret out corruption openly,” Bao wrote in an essay marking the “Double Tenth” celebrations.

“On the mainland, where we enjoy the benefits of the dictatorship of the proletariat, masses of people who turn out to protest at corruption are suppressed as troublemakers,” Bao added, referring to the 1989 military crackdown on student-led protests on Tiananmen Square.

Bao said that while Taiwan had long since reversed the official verdict on a massacre of demonstrators by the Nationalist Kuomintang (KMT) troops in 1947, in China to this day, no one dares to mention “June 4, 1989.”

“Courts in Taiwan have the power to pass judgment on high-ranking officials,” wrote Bao, who called for peaceful reunification between Taiwan and China, ruled separately since the founding of the People’s Republic of China in 1949.

‘Mao’s dying wish’

“Mao Zedong managed to divide China into two parts: This part is the ‘New China’ under the leadership of the Communist Party, while the other is the ‘old society’ in a faraway place,” said Bao.

“Liberating Taiwan was Mao’s dying wish, but he didn’t have the means to carry it out, and Taiwan has gone on existing.”

“As we on the west bank of the Taiwan Strait have conducted reviews of the troops and sung the praises of the last 60 years, Taiwan has continued to develop on the east bank.”

Writing from house arrest at his Beijing home, Bao said reunification should occur on the basis of Taiwan’s system of government, not China’s.

“In mainland China, where there is no separation of powers and everything is controlled by the Party, you need the permission of the provincial Party secretary to lodge a case against a county level official,” Bao wrote.

“Without this, the court has no jurisdiction.”

‘A big lie’

Bao recalled a comment of former Communist Party supreme leader Mao Zedong, who is reported to have said: “Unification can be achieved only on a democratic basis.”

“I agree with Mao’s assessment,” said Bao, who spent seven years in jail following the fall of his former political mentor Zhao, who was removed from office by late supreme leader Deng Xiaoping for sympathizing with the 1989 protesters.

“Only peaceful reunification on the basis of democracy will bring happiness to compatriots on both sides of the Taiwan Strait.”

Bao said the last 60 years of “glorious” Communist rule contained “a big lie.”

“In the first 30 years, tens of millions either died of starvation or were ‘struggled’ to death under the banner of revolution,” he wrote.

“In the second 30 years, anyone standing up for civil and constitutional rights, for religious freedom, for ethnic autonomy has been declared an enemy of the people en masse, all in the name of stability.”

Rivals Taiwan and mainland China kicked off direct air and sea transportation links for the first time in 60 years at the end of last year, with inaugural flights taking off on both sides of the Taiwan Strait—which leaders said signaled improved ties.

Original essay in Chinese by Bao Tong. Mandarin service director: Jennifer Chou. Translated and written for the Web in English by Luisetta Mudie. Edited by Sarah Jackson-Han.

[staff]

Radio Free Asia?

That's pretty much the most sinophobic news source you can ever deal with. Sponsored by the US government and spreading propaganda since the 1950s.

[Severiano]

反動不是反華

[leo_sh]

Originally Posted by Severiano

反動不是反華

美国政府和机构重来没搞清过。要怪回去怪你的美国政府。

[Sabanban]

Originally Posted by Yakun

祖国生日快乐！！！

这种说法不对。中国已经存在几千年了。十月一日是celebrate communist victory in China. It is not the birthday of China.

[Sabanban]

Originally Posted by Pangu

Care to provide a source?

Listen to the lyric of the song in this video.

”中国，中国，祝你生日快乐。“

This is an insult to China.

[alec74]

Originally Posted by Sabanban

Listen to the lyric of the song in this video.

”中国，中国，祝你生日快了。“

This is an insult to China.

The only insult I see here is yours, to everyone else's intelligence....insisting on this nonsense. Almost everywhere in the world, national day celebrates independance or the establishing of the actual state/form of government...which very very seldom coincide with the beginning of that country's culture.
Greece's national day celebrates greek independence on March 25th 1821, though arguably greek culture dates back almost 3000 years.
Italy's national day celebrate the establishing of the Republic on June 2nd 1946, though the unified italian state dates back 150 years as a Kingdom, and Italy's traces back its own culture to more or less 3000 years ago (even before the founding of Rome).
Germany celebrates the reunification happened on October 3rd 1990, though the birth of the unified german state dates back little less than 150 years ago.
Egypt's national day celebrates the establishment of the Republic on July 23rd 1952, though clearly the egyptian culture and civilization is many millennia old.
France celebrates french revolution of 1789, though the french state is much older. And so on..
Only in very young countries, such as the USA or Israel (though jewish culture dates back some millennia as well) or Australia, national day and the actual birth of the nation coincide.

So please, it's way too normal China celebrates the birth of PRC on October 1st....stop this political nonsense.

[Sabanban]

A national day is not equal to the birthday of a nation. A national day is usually an important day for the nation.

[alec74]

Originally Posted by Sabanban

A national day is not equal to the birthday of a nation. A national day is usually selected from an important day for the nation.

Are u playing with words here? Stop nonsense..already told u

国庆节 is China's national day, and it celebrates the birth of PRC, cause nowadays chinese state official name's PRC..that's all. FULL STOP.
And there's nothing different from other national days in the world, not in the mood, not in the scope. And some simple songs, also aimed to children can well use the word "生日" to make it simpler for them to understand what's being celebrated. When they'll grow up they'll have plenty of time to understand history better.
the thousand of years of chinese civilization are a different matter..as are the thousand of years of Roman/italian, Greek, Egyptian, Persian civilizations.

[leo_sh]

The founding of PRC is the birth of modern Chinese nation.

[Sabanban]

Modern Chinese nation was founded in 1911 when thousands of years of dynasty rule ended and the Republic of China was established. PRC was just a communist power. Historians of the future will definitely choose year 1911 as a cutting line.

[Severiano]

Originally Posted by alec74

Are u playing with words here? Stop nonsense..already told u

国庆节 is China's national day, and it celebrates the birth of PRC, cause nowadays chinese state official name's PRC..that's all. FULL STOP.
And there's nothing different from other national days in the world, not in the mood, not in the scope. And some simple songs, also aimed to children can well use the word "生日" to make it simpler for them to understand what's being celebrated. When they'll grow up they'll have plenty of time to understand history better.
the thousand of years of chinese civilization are a different matter..as are the thousand of years of Roman/italian, Greek, Egyptian, Persian civilizations.

They should have changed it to a more politically correct 共匪 祝你生日快樂

[alec74]

Originally Posted by Severiano

They should have changed it to a more politically correct 共匪 祝你生日快樂

Are we talking of political correctness with kids?

[alec74]

Originally Posted by Sabanban

Modern Chinese nation was founded in 1911 when thousands of years of dynasty rule ended and the Republic of China was established. PRC was just a communist power. Historians of the future will definitely choose year 1911 as a cutting line.

U're free to have ur opinion on the issue, but to call it an "insult" is simply stupid.
Modern, unified Italian state was created in 1861 as Kingdom of Italy, yet we celebrate the post WWII Republic as national day, as many other countries do...should we call it an insult?
I'm sorry for u, but I don't think u can foresee what historians of the future will or will not do or think..U'r entitled to ur opinion but don't try to turn it any more official by thrusting it on other people without their consent.
October 1st is the celebration of the birth of the current chinese state.

[Ohno]

Happy National Day!

Happy National Day!

祝祖国繁荣昌盛。

[Sabanban]

Originally Posted by alec74

U're free to have ur opinion on the issue, but to call it an "insult" is simply stupid.
Modern, unified Italian state was created in 1861 as Kingdom of Italy, yet we celebrate the post WWII Republic as national day, as many other countries do...should we call it an insult?
I'm sorry for u, but I don't think u can foresee what historians of the future will or will not do or think..U'r entitled to ur opinion but don't try to turn it any more official by thrusting it on other people without their consent.
October 1st is the celebration of the birth of the current chinese state.

I did not say that the celebration of October 1st is an insult to China. I said that calling October 1st the birthday of China is an insult to China. PRC is a political entity and its birthday is October 1st. China is a concept of ethnic, culture, and history. Establishment of PRC was just a recent event in the long history of China. Therefore, calling October 1st the birthday of China is at least inappropriate if not an insult to China.

[alec74]

Originally Posted by Sabanban

I did not say that the celebration of October 1st is an insult to China. I said that calling October 1st the birthday of China is an insult to China. PRC is a political entity and its birthday is October 1st. China is a concept of ethnic, culture, and history. Establishment of PRC was just a recent event in the long history of China. Therefore, calling October 1st the birthday of China is at least inappropriate if not an insult to China.

Told u already, u are entitled to ur opinion of course...but it looks like u'r a little too "sensible" on this.
Whenever u go, simple celebrative songs use the normal name of the country, not it's official one. What would u want, that a simple silly song say "祝中华人民共和国生日快乐"? In this case "China" is the simple name of the state...or is it that when u talk about China as a country/state u ALWAYS use the definition "People's Republic of China"? When people talk about the country simply say China, as they simply say Italy and not the Italian Republic, or France and not the French Republic, or Germany, not the Federal Republic of Germany.
U'r making a fuss out of a silly song...

[leo_sh]

Originally Posted by Sabanban

Modern Chinese nation was founded in 1911 when thousands of years of dynasty rule ended and the Republic of China was established. PRC was just a communist power. Historians of the future will definitely choose year 1911 as a cutting line.

The political and geographic entity that was called China between 1911 and 1949 was never unified, with large portions of it either under the foreign rule or de-facto independent. Unfortunately, it was the commies who built up a nationwide bureaucracy and education system, and created a national consciousness.

Most historians, in China as well as worldwide, choose 1949 as a cutting line of modern China from historical China.

[Sabanban]

Although the Republic of China did not have a strong central government, almost everybody recognized and supported the republic. Jiang Kai-Shek wanted to build a strong centralized government and unified China. The commies always wanted to overthrow the republic. It was ironic that the commies always wanted democracy and multi-party system before it took power in China. The commies used all attractive slogans to win the support of the people. Once it took power in China, it suppressed any opposing voices, much worse than Jiang Kai-Shek did.

The modern education system started during the era of Republic of China. Most of best universities in China today were established during the era of Republic of China.

Surely, everybody in China chooses 1949 as a cutting line. Surely, the civil war of China is also called liberation war in China. It is just commies' manipulation of words and propaganda. Victors write history. 成为王，败为寇。 本人只不过想替失败者说几句公平话。