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View Poll Results: What European bid should be selected as host?
England 217 35.06%
Portugal & Spain 119 19.22%
Belgium & Netherlands 85 13.73%
Russia 198 31.99%
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Old October 28th, 2009, 06:47 PM   #181
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Russia should be the favourite
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Old October 29th, 2009, 06:40 AM   #182
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I am doing an analyze about european bids:

England can be considered as favorites. England has lots of ambassadors and stars foreign and english who play in EPL, the best league in the world. They have also built modern and world class stadiums such as Wembley, Emirates stadium and others. English will have facilities built for 2012 olympic games.

Russia may not have good transportations, but can make a big surprise. Russia can count on public enthousiasm and strong politics such as Putin, Medvedev and Abramovitch.

Spain and Portugal appear as strong contender for England. However, the bid should have had the same number of venues per countries. Spain has more stadiums than Portugal in the bid. I think Spain should have presented a bid alone.

Belgium and Netherlands are small countries. They can do a surprise.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 08:21 AM   #183
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Spain and Portugal appear as strong contender for England. However, the bid should have had the same number of venues per countries. Spain has more stadiums than Portugal in the bid. I think Spain should have presented a bid alone.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 03:13 PM   #184
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More exact information about Spain/Portugal bid:

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Last week Portuguese Football Association (FPF) president Gilberto Madail revealed his country would be a junior partner in the bid to co-host the 2018 finals with Spain.

Just three stadiums – two in Lisbon, one in Oporto – would be contributed by Portugal, which emphasized the cost-effectiveness of its contribution following major investment made prior to the UEFA 2004 European Championships.
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http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=32645

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I will add about Russia, that this is the only candidate which allows FIFA to develop football infrastructure on 1/8 territory of Earth and neigboring CIS countries (as an example for them) and create (as they call it) an "inheritance for next generations". In E,S/P,B/N football structure is already on very high level. Last choices - South Africa, Brasil - showing strategy of FIFA very clear, so from this point of view, if bids will be practically equal, the choice will be Russia, because it's a huge development for FIFA themselves as an organisation. Second, decision will be made more than 7 years before WC - enough time even to create neccessary infrastructure since "zero" in some cities.

I'm waiting 4 december, when we will have a better picture of bids and can analyze them.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 08:56 PM   #185
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More exact information about Spain/Portugal bid:
The number may increase with Algarve and probably Braga.
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Old October 29th, 2009, 10:20 PM   #186
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...Last choices - South Africa, Brasil - showing strategy of FIFA very clear, so from this point of view, if bids will be practically equal, the choice will be Russia, because it's a huge development for FIFA themselves as an organisation...
Yes, but those last two choices (and that of Korea/Japan) were far more about moving the games around the globe than as an opportunity to help one nation develop their infrastructure. So while FIFA does have an interest in seeing such investment come about, I think it's no where near the level of priority you're assigning here.

Most of Asia, Africa and South America necessitated such investment, but in Europe that's hardly the case. Two bids could host the games with nary any investment needed at all, a very frugal point considering the current and projected near-term economy. A third would need only minimal investment. Thus, given the logistics of the event and it's stature, I think FIFA will lean far more towards the chances for overall success of the event and rewarding sporting spirit rather than simply touting the World Cup as an excuse to build stadiums.

My thoughts, anyway.
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Old November 8th, 2009, 09:52 PM   #187
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Seven belgian cities and five dutch cities will be part of Belgium/The Netherlands bid four 2018-2022 world cups this Monday.

Belgium
Bruges
Gent
Genk
Brussels
Antwerpen
Liege
Charleroi

The Netherlands
Amsterdam
Rotterdam
Eindhoven
Enschende
heerenveen

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=32676

I am asking why they didn't chose Arhnem as dutch citie for the bid.
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Old November 8th, 2009, 11:03 PM   #188
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I am asking why they didn't chose Arhnem as dutch citie for the bid.
The Gelredome in Arnhem has 30.000 seats. The construction of the roof won't allow an expansion to 44.000 which a needed for the WC.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 03:58 AM   #189
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2018 is the return to Europe, and the home of football arent' Spain or Portugal, but England and Italy. Italy hosted the WC in 1990, so England will will the BID.

I consider Russia a European country in the Bid.... so that could be an harsh rival for England...


while for WC 2022 you are commiting a mistake... Australia has only 21 milions inhabitants.... for fans the distance is too much and the available cities are six or seven....

2018: England
2022: USA / Russia
2026: China
2030: USA (if not in 2022) or Nigeria
2034: South America (Not Mexico, Not Brasil) or Middle East (arab nation)
2038: Italy (1990 - 2038 48 years)
2042: India
2048: Australia
2052: Moon
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Old November 9th, 2009, 04:57 AM   #190
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Italy is the home of football?

Mexico in South America?

Four consecutive World Cups outside Europe?

Russia a possibility for 2022 when you have England for 2018?



What the...?
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Old November 9th, 2009, 09:31 AM   #191
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2018 is the return to Europe, and the home of football arent' Spain or Portugal, but England and Italy. Italy hosted the WC in 1990, so England will will the BID.
Italy? Italy wouldn't be considered a home of football, sure, it's the no 1 sport and all, but there are other nations which would be considered more of a "home" to football outside of England.

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I consider Russia a European country in the Bid.... so that could be an harsh rival for England...
Well duh, it is, look up your facts first. Yes it is a harsh rival for England on account of the other bids being joint, and FIFA says any good single nation bid will be considered first before a joint one (so simply put, Portugal/Spain and Belgium/Netherlands really need to WOW FIFA or they won't even be considered).


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while for WC 2022 you are commiting a mistake... Australia has only 21 milions inhabitants.... for fans the distance is too much and the available cities are six or seven....
What mistake? The world game is growing here, we got a proper professional league here now, we have the right to bid as any other. We'll have 11 or 12 cities and most definitely 12 venues. Distance is not too far, maximum travel time would be at most 3-4 hours by plane, matches would be held in logical clusters with sufficient free time for fans traveling by train (which a high speed rail network could help with travel time).

It is definitely not a mistake, we want the games just as much as the other bidding nations. A WC here isn't a pipe dream like some of the other bidders. when Europe get's 2018, only the USA will give us stiff competition in 2022. When awarded, be sure that Australia gets things done right, venues that need to be constructed/upgraded done in time and hosting a successful and memorable WC.


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2018: England
2022: USA / Russia
2026: China
2030: USA (if not in 2022) or Nigeria
2034: South America (Not Mexico, Not Brasil) or Middle East (arab nation)
2038: Italy (1990 - 2038 48 years)
2042: India
2048: Australia
2052: Moon
India is not a Football power, you put India before Australia, if it does go to USA for 2022, China could be the main competitor to Australia for 2022. Russia 2022? When England gets 2018? Clearly you don't know what your on about, as for the Middle East, only certain nations can host due to the extreme weather in the WC season.

Moon? Preposterous! Well it is a joke, but a lame one.

Look up your facts first, before you post such crap here.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 10:18 AM   #192
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Italy? Italy wouldn't be considered a home of football, sure, it's the no 1 sport and all, but there are other nations which would be considered more of a "home" to football outside of England...
Which country, besides England, in Europe could be considered the home of football except the home of "calcio"; Italy?

We're talking about the country with the most World Cup titles, most European cup titles.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 02:22 PM   #193
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Well duh, it is, look up your facts first. Yes it is a harsh rival for England on account of the other bids being joint, and FIFA says any good single nation bid will be considered first before a joint one (so simply put, Portugal/Spain and Belgium/Netherlands really need to WOW FIFA or they won't even be considered).
The FIFA doesn't want 2 seperate World Cups, but 1 WC. The HollandBelgium bid is 1 organisation, uses each others infrastructure heavily, uses 1 currency, doesn't have border control (you don't even notice it) and the nations are not divided by the language, has it's own union (Benelux) that is going further and earlier than the European Union. The HollandBelgium has proved that it is able to create 1 Championship (Euro 2000), the same people are working together to go even further. In case of the Netherlands and Belgium it is really different, and can be considered as 1 real bid, just as a single bidding nation.

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Blatter qualified the joint bid of Belgium and The Netherlands as valid and sympathetic. He underlined that this clearly is one entity presenting itself rather than two separate organisations as happened during the FIFA World Cup 2002 which was staged in Japan and South Korea. ,,The FIFA World Cup 2002 was hosted by two countries, with two local organizing committees, two currencies, two different languages and two international broadcasting centres,” Blatter clarified.

“We spent money on two World Cups but the benefits did hardly correspond to those of a single event. That was clearly not the way to organise a FIFA World Cup and therefore we then decided to no longer accept joint candidatures, But the Belgian-Dutch candidature is obviously another matter,” he stated. ,,Here we deal with a single entity. We obviously have two countries but there is only one organising committee. That seems to be a valid candidature which is fully acceptable to the FIFA Executive Committee.”

Blatter added: ,,The attempt of two countries which cannot be ranked among the large footballing countries in the world is sympathetic as they clearly defy larger nations such as England, Russia and the combination of Portugal and Spain.”

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Old November 9th, 2009, 03:16 PM   #194
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Which country, besides England, in Europe could be considered the home of football except the home of "calcio"; Italy?

We're talking about the country with the most World Cup titles, most European cup titles.
England is considered the home of football because modern football was created there. Nothing more than that.

What makes Italy the HOME of football in Europe more than other countries like Germany, Spain, etc.? The number of World Cup titles? That makes Italy a powerhouse, not the home of the game! Its boring league with less and less spectators? Give me a break...

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1 bid 2 nations ---> come on Holland and Belgium!!!!!!
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Old November 10th, 2009, 05:09 PM   #196
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Ok, 7 cities in Belgium and onlly 5 in the Netherlands. But there will be 2 stadiums in Rotterdam and 2 in Amsterdam. So 7 stadiums in both countries Oh, and if the WC will come to here, the Olympic Stadium of Amsterdam will expand (temporary). The version above is 55.000/65.000. The version below 45.000.

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Old November 10th, 2009, 05:17 PM   #197
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England is considered the home of football because modern football was created there. Nothing more than that.

What makes Italy the HOME of football in Europe more than other countries like Germany, Spain, etc.? The number of World Cup titles? That makes Italy a powerhouse, not the home of the game! Its boring league with less and less spectators? Give me a break...
I actully think that the discussion of a second home is kind of pointless.

But booring? Since when? Calcio is one of the most intriguing forms of football. And i honestly think Serie A is the best overall. La Liga is great football, but a 2 team fight between Real and Barca. And the crowd sucks.
Bundesliga has great crowds, but the football sucks most of the time.

Serie A is better overall in my opinon.

Less and less spectators?
No, thats not true. They had a couple of down years, but now it's getting better and better.
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Old November 10th, 2009, 05:18 PM   #198
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And THIS is how the Amsterdam ArenA could look like

[IMG]http://i37.************/jgldw7.jpg[/IMG]

The stadium will reach a height of almost 60m then....!

(Still not bigger than the proposed Nieuwe Kuip in Rotterdam though)

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Oh, and if the WC will come to here, the Olympic Stadium of Amsterdam will expand (temporary).
Don't get me wrong, but that's... terrible.
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The stadium will reach a height of almost 60m then....!
If that's the case (and from what I see from that picture), although they can lift the roof it'll have to be a bit larger, since that third tier will also make the stadium larger.
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