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View Poll Results: What European bid should be selected as host?
England 217 35.06%
Portugal & Spain 119 19.22%
Belgium & Netherlands 85 13.73%
Russia 198 31.99%
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 08:41 AM   #261
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Do u people only think about England and Russia?

ok, qatar is not a good choice, but indonesia and australia have a chance in 2022

i agree that portugal and spain aren't in a good position to get 2018 WC, but there's no argument against NED/BEL

i do 2018 will definately be in europe, i believe in Australia 2022 and Usa 2026, and 2030 will go to Uruguay (maybe with argentina)
Why would we be discussing Indonesia and Australia in a thread on EUROPEAN bids?
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 09:02 PM   #262
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Why would we be discussing Indonesia and Australia in a thread on EUROPEAN bids?
Maybe because it's fun? Or because their bids may influence European bids?
If you read some posts you'll see you people discussed a lot about indonesia and australia in this thread...
Be patient, i'm still new here...
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Old January 4th, 2010, 04:32 PM   #263
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Well, that article implies to me the biggest problem is for the Iberian bid. If Blatter has softened his position and accepts smaller countries can't host on their own, he and FIFA may be willing to consider Belgium & the Netherlands. But he'd surely wonder what Spain was playing at, wouldn't he? I know Portugal can't host on their own, but Spain certainly can and the Iberian bid is, to all intents and purpouses, Spain plus two or three venues over the border. If he only wants joint bids from countries incapable of hosting on their own, that puts Spain in a very awkward position indeed.

I think 2018 is between England and Russia at the moment, and I wouldn't like to call it either way. I might be wrong, but from everything I've read that's what I think these are the two out in front in the European race.
Blatter supporting a single nation bid is not news.

While they will still be allowed is perhaps a surprise, its not news that FIFA will prefer having to deal with one nation and its issues rather than two nations and the issues between those countries e.g. visas, transport, politics, funding etc.

Portugal/Spain would host a great world cup and so would NED/BEL, but when there are other single nation bids, FIFA will favour these.

How the members vote though will be another story.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 04:47 PM   #264
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I know it's not news, but the fact that he keep reiterating his stance despite letting the bids in is news. And the more he says this, the less likely a joint hosting is to occur I would have thought.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 06:31 PM   #265
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I know it's not news, but the fact that he keep reiterating his stance despite letting the bids in is news. And the more he says this, the less likely a joint hosting is to occur I would have thought.
I suppose but assuming there is no "shortlist". A vote is a vote, and if 13 members like Portugal/Spain, then thats where the WC is going.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 09:10 PM   #266
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Intreresting moment.

Based on latest news about Russia-2018/2022 on places of future stadiums, at least 12 stadiums (of all 15) will be in nearest location to water (river/sea):

Kaliningrad



St.Petersburg



Moscow





Kazan



Nizhny Novgorod



Yaroslavl



Samara



Volgograd



Saransk



Sochi



Yekaterinburg




+ Rostov-on-Don (Don), Krasnodar (Kuban), Podolsk (Pakhra), it will be known later.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 06:22 PM   #267
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This is some technical views of strength and weaknessess of European bid received.

Belgium/Netherlands
Government:strong support
Public: ???
Stadiums: 14 stadiums in 12 cities
Training facilities: Excellent facilities
Standard of football: not bad
Transportation: excellent air and urban transport
Media & Telecommunications: excellent facilities
Hotels: excellent hotel infrastructure
Safety and security: very good facilities
Medical centres: excellent network

England
Government: strong support
Public: huge support
Stadiums: 15 stadiums in 12 cities
Training facilities: Excellent facilities
Standard of football: great clubs (Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal) & great history in World cup
Transportation: excellent air & urban transport infrastructure
Media & Telecommunications: Excellent facilities
Hotels: excellent hotel infrastructure
Safety and security: very good facilities
Medical centres: very good network.

Portugal/Spain
Government: strong support
Public: ???
Stadiums: ???
Training facilities: Excellent facilities
Standard of football: great clubs & good national teams
Transportation: excellent air and urban transport
Media & Telecommunications: ecellent facilities
Hotels: excellent hotel infrastructure
Safety and security: very good facilities
Medical centres: excellent network

Russia
Government: strong support
Public: ???
Stadiums: 15 stadiums in 12 cities
Training facilities: Excellent facilities
Standard of football:
Transportation: good air and urban transport
Media & Telecommunications: very good facilities
Hotels: excellent hotel infrastructure
Safety and security: very good facilities
Medical centres: very good network


You can make corrections.
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Old January 6th, 2010, 09:37 PM   #268
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The support in the Netherlands is huge. It wouldn't suprise me at all if support here would even be higher than in England. It is one of the few topics where there is 100% support from the politics (so even extreme left and rightwing parties really want the WC). From public view it is by far the most wanted event that people can imagine.

At the last event the national team had 50.000 supporters at the first game and at the end about 100.000 in Switserland and Austria. When Bon Jovi had a concert in the Amsterdam ArenA when Holland had to play, they decided to start the the football match and start the concert later. Bon Jovi fans are not typical football fans, but they are clearly fan when Holland has to play:


For Belgium it is a little bit hard to say for me what the support is and will be. I am sure it is high, but can't say how high.
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It wouldn't suprise me at all if support here would even be higher than in England.
Sorry, but what does that even mean?
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Old January 7th, 2010, 09:47 AM   #270
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Sorry, but what does that even mean?
Support by the public for the Dutch/Belgium WC 2018/2022 bid.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 10:07 AM   #271
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We should not have the World Cup in Russia until it alters those Draconian visa rules for tourists, become a democratic nation which respects human rights.

When this happens I would love Russia to stage the World Cup. Maybe the world should consider South African apartheid style bans on places like Russia.

FIFA should not reward criminal states like the IOC does.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 03:40 PM   #272
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Russian visa is easier and faster to get than many other visas. Dislike many countries, it does not even ask for fingerprints
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Old January 7th, 2010, 05:57 PM   #273
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become a democratic nation which respects human rights.
hm, are you drunk? Don't fall for US media propaganda, which specially creates false vision of other countries to make US foreign policy "spread" so-called "democracy", but in fact, just install puppet governement and steal resources. Wake up.

There is no "democracy" in USA/UK and other so-called western countries. There is only illusion of "democracy". Residents are selected (not presidents are elected). In USA, 2 parties are two hands of one body. I think adequate people already should realise it, isn't it?
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FIFA should not reward criminal states like the IOC does.
Most criminal state today, with biggest number of prisoners, thieves, rapes, total crimes is USA. This is statistics. But you may be not know it, because you are brainwashed and don't want to know facts.

I think you understand that you are totally wrong and will stop offtoping.

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Old January 7th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #274
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About visas, from interview with A.Sorokin:

- Given the difficulties in acquiring a Russian visa from an EU country and the heavy police and army presence at the recent Russia v Germany World Cup qualifier, what measures will you take to make FIFA's flagship event a more fan-friendly experience?
- I’m sure by 2018 there will be no visas, because Russia is fully prepared to abolish visas processes. We’re just waiting for an okay from the European Union and other countries to do that, as we did during the 2008 Champions League final. Then we said everyone who comes with a ticket comes without a visa and it was beneficial experience. There were no complaints.

Full interview is here: http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=32887
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Ignore Bobby, he's obviously trolling.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 02:23 AM   #276
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Russia sign up auditors who helped Sochi win 2014 Olympics to World Cup bid



January 11 - Russia tonight announced BDO, part of the world's fifth-large global network of independent auditors and a company which worked on Sochi's successful campaign to host the 2014 Winter Olympics, as a supporter of their bid to host the 2018-2022 World Cup.

The company, based in Moscow, has signed an agreement with the Bid Committee which provides for substantial consulting support including in the areas of management and finance.

Alexey Sorokin, the chief executive of the Bid Committee and the Russian Football Union (RFU), said: "The compilation of the comprehensive bid documents as well as the coordination of our work with a large number of private and Governmental stakeholders require a great deal of legal, financial, auditing and consulting expertise.

"With BDO in Russia the Bid Committee can count on highly specialised knowledge in these crucial areas."

Mikhail Grishakin, the managing partner of BDO in Russia, said: "BDO is honoured to associate itself with
Russia’s bid for the most important single sports event in the world by making its extensive audit, consulting experience and knowledge available.

"Today, sport in general and football in particular require such services and we are pleased to be at the forefront of this domain.

"BDO has extensive professional sports event experience including a long-term partnership with the Russian Football Union as well as consulting support to bid campaigns held under the auspices of many interdnational sport federations and the International Olympic Committee.

"Wide regional coverage of BDO in Russia is also an important factor, as the preparation of the Bid Book will require taking into consideration interests of 12 Russian Federation Regions.

"Currently, BDO in Russia is an official consultant for the Russia 2018/2022 Bid Committee, a sponsor of the national football team and an official RFU partner and auditor."

BDO helped write several chapters of Sochi's bid book, the document which helped the Black Sea resort cause a major upset when they were awarded the 2014 Olympics at a meeting in Guatemala City in 2007.

Grishakin said: "BDO in Russia was a general consultant for the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games Bid Committee and since 2003 the company has been an outside auditor for the RFU, as well as to its consultants in the areas of accounting and taxation.

"It has also audited the RFU's FIFA allocated funds used to develop football in Russia.

"Since 2004, BDO has actively participated in the licensing procedure for Russian football clubs under UEFA requirements. Integration into the international sports network will enable BDO in Russia to utilise the combined experience of its offices around the world to best serve the RFU.

"We believe that Russia has a strong chance to win their bid for the World Cup.

"We are happy to strengthen our relationship with the RFU and to assist in organising and staging this honourable football event with such a global impact."
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Some of Bid Ambassadors (Ruud Gullit, Ronald de Boer, Alexey Smertin, Fernando Hierro) will play on "Legends Cup" in Moscow, February 6-7th.



Platini and Blatter will also visit Moscow at 22-23 January, during "CIS Insurance Cup" .
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 02:07 PM   #278
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Markus Siegler Joins Russia Bid as Blatter Flies to Moscow



FIFA president Sepp Blatter flies to Moscow today to meet Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and World Cup bid officials

The visit comes three months after Blatter discussed the bid with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

"I believe that the World Cup should leave a legacy, and this idea is coming to life here in Russia. That is why I feel a whole-hearted affinity for the Russian bid," Blatter said after the earlier meeting with Putin.

The FIFA chief will also take in the closing stages of the Commonwealth of Independent States tournament and meet senior Russia bid officials, including chairman Vitaly Mutko.

The visit comes as Russian bid officials unveil another of Blatter's former colleagues to their team.

Markus Siegler, Blatter’s longstanding FIFA head of communications, has joined the bid team as a “special adviser". He joins Andreas Herren, a former FIFA director of communications, who is in charge of the campaign’s international media effort.

“I would describe that I am going to advise the bid committee in all matters,” Siegler told WFI. “Special duties, questions and advice that they need – I would say that is my role.”

A source close to the Russian bid told WFI how Siegler is one of the best connected figures in world football and that the Russian bid would be particularly utilizing his knowledge and expertise “at functions and events overseas”.

One of Siegler’s first acts for the bid team will be in Angola, where he is traveling for the final stages of the Africa Cup of Nations. He will join a high level delegation that includes Russia bid CEO Alexei Sorokin and Alexander Djordjadze, the director of bid planning and operations.

“I know a lot of people, of course, and it will be nice to meet and greet – that’s normal,” said Siegler.

“As far as I know the Qatar bid committee will do some sort of presentation, they have bought the rights. But we are admitted as a bloc.”

Siegler, who left FIFA at the end of September 2007, had previously provided advice for the England 2018 team in the first stages of its bid campaign.

Former FA CEO Brian Barwick had hired European Consultancy Networks (ECN) as strategic advisers, but FA chairman David Triesman terminated that agreement in December 2008. Siegler left ECN shortly afterwards.
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FIFA head Sepp Blatter met Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Friday to discuss Russia's bid to host either the 2018 or the 2022 World Cup.

Russia's bid, which was officially launched last October, has the full support of the government, with a high-level steering committee established under First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov.

"Football is the most popular type of sport," Medvedev said. "People love it everywhere. It's not surprising then that they love it in Russia."

"Even today, when it is minus 25 [degrees Celsius] outside, people are playing football," he went on.

Although this was Blatter's the first meeting with the Russian president, world football's top bureaucrat visited the country last October and, during a meeting with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, gave his support to Russia's bid.

"I believe that the World Cup should leave a legacy, and this idea is coming to life here in Russia. That is why I feel a whole-hearted affinity for the Russian bid," Blatter said.

Blatter was slightly more reserved on Friday, however, expressing praise and admiration for the development of the sport in Russia, as well as regret that the national team had not made it to this summer's World Cup finals. Russia, Euro 2008 semi-finalists, were surprisingly knocked out in the play-offs for the 2010 World Cup by Slovenia.

While Russia is officially bidding for either the 2018 or 2022 tournament, FIFA's continent rotation policy means that Europe is likely to host the event four years after Brazil in 2014.

Russia has seven competitors to host the 2018 World Cup, including England, Australia and joint bids from Belgium and the Netherlands and Spain and Portugal. A decision on the hosts for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments will be made in December.
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Old January 23rd, 2010, 09:52 AM   #280
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hm, are you drunk? Don't fall for US media propaganda, which specially creates false vision of other countries to make US foreign policy "spread" so-called "democracy", but in fact, just install puppet governement and steal resources. Wake up.

There is no "democracy" in USA/UK and other so-called western countries. There is only illusion of "democracy". Residents are selected (not presidents are elected). In USA, 2 parties are two hands of one body. I think adequate people already should realise it, isn't it?
Your comment is really full of shit.


Most criminal state today, with biggest number of prisoners, thieves, rapes, total crimes is USA. This is statistics. But you may be not know it, because you are brainwashed and don't want to know facts.

I think you understand that you are totally wrong and will stop offtoping.
I love how goofball Russian sheep will go on wild tangents against the US when they criticism they face isn't even from the US or has any context about the US in it. They are such reflexive Putinites that they just start throwing wildly throwing out cliches about the US that Putin TV has told them for a decade.

I could respond and talk about the Russian alcoholism, murder rate, corruption, extra judicial killings......oh well, I guess I just did.
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