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View Poll Results: What European bid should be selected as host?
England 217 35.06%
Portugal & Spain 119 19.22%
Belgium & Netherlands 85 13.73%
Russia 198 31.99%
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Old September 7th, 2010, 08:36 PM   #301
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Well, not really. Since we can't have two European world cups in a row, it's effectively asking which European country would you like to host in 2018 or 2022 (most likely 2018). FIFA will give one of these tournaments to Europe and not the other; that's certain.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 08:50 PM   #302
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I get you. But that doesn't reflect preferences.

I would've done something like this..

England 2018
England 2022
Portugal Spain 2018
Portugal Spain 2022

.......and so on.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 08:56 PM   #303
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Platini is 90% sure the US will withdraw from 2018, meaning the 2022 options are really no longer valid for a thread on European bids. The only scenario in which I can see FIFA awarding 2022 to Europe is if they favour Russia and want to give them longer to build their venues and infrastructure (handing 2018 to the US by default), but even that scenario is probably unlikely. Realistically, European nations are going for 2018, with Qatar, Australia, the US, Korea and Japan looking to 2022. This poll, for all intents and purpouses, is asking who you want to be the 2018 host.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 09:04 PM   #304
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Fair.

I just thought since we are asking SSC forumers on what they would like/prefer.
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Old September 8th, 2010, 12:06 AM   #305
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Any ideas for when we should do the live "24hr" vote? Should votes be public? Should we first vote for 2018 in the first 24 hrs, followed by a new poll with only the relevant bidders in the following 24 hrs?
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Old September 8th, 2010, 12:14 AM   #306
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Is there an inspection report due? If so, a few days after that is released maybe?
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Old September 8th, 2010, 01:11 AM   #307
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You mean the "your bid is good" or "your bid is very good" or "your bid is excellent" report?

Who knows.

Oh wait. I like these reports. It ranked RSA above England for 2006
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Old September 9th, 2010, 08:06 PM   #308
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A good little interview with Vitaly Mutko and a summary of Russia's bid and their reasons for bidding:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog...world-cup-2018

More propaganda from the British media. Disgusting isn't it?
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Old September 16th, 2010, 11:55 AM   #309
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A good little interview with Vitaly Mutko and a summary of Russia's bid and their reasons for bidding:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog...world-cup-2018

More propaganda from the British media. Disgusting isn't it?
OK, in your article Harding quoted Vitaliy Mutko. Here is personal position of Luke Harding:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog...world-cup-2018

Russia battle England once more – and this time it's for the World Cup

While England promote their 'safe' option, Russia's bid team for the 2018 World Cup want the tournament to be a historic moment.

Vitaly Mutko is in a confident mood. Surveying Moscow's Luzhniki Stadium, with its luridly green artificial pitch, Mutko recalls watching Russia beat England 2-1 here during their 2007 European qualifier. It had seemed like England's night, he recalled. "Everyone was in a miserable mood at half-time. We were losing 1-0. I predicted we would score twice. And we did," he says happily.

The next installment in Russia's rivalry with England takes place on 2 December, when Fifa's executive committee meets in Zurich to decide who will host the 2018 World Cup. Mutko refuses to make any hubristic pronouncements about Russia's chances. "Self-confidence sometimes leads to tragedies in sport," he says.

And yet with three months to go until Fifa's secret ballot, the Russians appear quietly certain that they and not England will emerge victorious. Mutko's optimism stems from a single powerful idea – that a Russian World Cup would be a more dynamic, more compelling, and more nation-transforming event than a 'safe', and possibly dull, English one. It would, in short, be a moment in history.

At a time when Fifa's president, Sepp Blatter, is pondering his legacy to world football, the Russians are pledging to bring the tournament to the former communist bloc for the first time. Asked whether Russia's bid might be more interesting than England's, Mutko jumps off his feet, and sweeps his fist through the air with a triumphant and affirmative "Da". "I would just grab this country Russia and say there will be so much done for football!" he says.

Mutko, Russia's minister for sport, is clearly irritated by recent stories in the British press reporting how Lokomotiv Moscow fans celebrated Peter Odemwingie's recent sale to West Bromwich Albion with a banner showing a banana and the message: "Thanks West Brom." He is also rattled by reports suggesting widespread corruption in Russia, believing these themes have been deliberately overblown to sabotage Russia's bid.

But it is the concept, and not the on-going Anglo-Russian information war, that Mutko believes will win over Fifa. Intriguingly, Sergei Fursenko, the president of Russia's Football Union, talks about Russia's 2018 bid in highly mystical terms. He says that many fans have only a vague idea of what Russia is like, and says that hosting the tournament would enable visitors who come to Russia to experience the "Russian soul". "People are very hospitable and very open. The soul is all embracing, including of foreigners. You have to be not scared of Russians."

Russia's well-organised bid committee – which hosted Fifa's inspection team last month – talk about their ambitions in sweeping terms. They see a Russian World Cup as nothing less than an event of historical proportions, on a par with the second world war and the heroic defeat of the Nazis.

"England had everything," said Alexander Djordjadze, the director of bid planning and operations. "You ruled the world. You invented football. You have the richest league. You are solid and strong as a cultural entity.

"For us the entire 20th century was an immense sacrifice. We are now building a new country. The World Cup would help us make a different people and a new nation. For Fifa to give it to [post-communist] Russia would be a bold political gesture."

Alexei Sorokin, Russia's multilingual 2018 bid chief, believes that the influx of fans to Russia would transform the way the country is perceived by the rest of the world. It would help overcome what he views as a negative and unfair image of Russia, concocted erroneously, he feels, by the western media. "We would be perceived the way we merit to be perceived. It would eliminate this prejudice against us."

The tournament would also showcase what Russia had achieved "in a record period of time" since the collapse of communism.

England's stadiums and facilities are more or less complete – so much so that in August Blatter admitted it would be "easy" to hold the World Cup in England. Paradoxically, this fact may work to England's disadvantage.

Russia, by contrast, is proposing a once-in-a-generation investment in infrastructure, which would transform sport across the world's largest country, and bring football to backward regions stretching from the Polish borders to the Pacific coast.

It has promised new stadiums, high-speed rail links between host cities, new airports, hotels and training pitches. Some of this is happening anyway. Russia is already building six stadiums and has promised to construct nine more if it wins the World Cup. Portraying itself as the meeting point between east and west – in fact the border between Europe and Asia runs through the potential host city of Yekaterinburg in the Urals – Russia plans to stage the tournament in clusters.

The final, a semi-final and the opening match would take place in Moscow's Luzhniki, the venue for the 1980 Olympic Games. Other matches would take place in a northern cluster centred on St Petersburg, a Volga cluster along Europe's longest river, and a southern cluster that includes Sochi, the balmy seaside resort that will host the 2014 Winter Olympics, and is a favoured chill-zone for Kremlin politicians.

Mutko points out that Vladimir Putin – Russia's prime minister, who is travelling to Zurich for the Fifa vote – has personally guaranteed all stadiums will be built on time. The bill? For sporting infrastructure alone it will come to $6bn. Over the past decade, eight as president and two as prime minister, Putin has had an overriding mission: to restore Russia's greatness after what he regards as a period of chaos and humiliating weakness under Boris Yeltsin. The later half of his presidential stint coincided with a dramatic downturn in relations between London and Moscow, and England's bitter Luzhniki defeat.

A Russian World Cup would confirm that Russia's is back as a great world power. And it would also be another defeat for England, the icing on Putin's cake.
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That's nice.
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Old September 16th, 2010, 12:24 PM   #311
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A Russian World Cup would confirm that Russia's is back as a great world power. And it would also be another defeat for England, the icing on Putin's cake.[/b]
Would a Benelux, Australian or Qatari World Cup confirm them as a Great power?

I'm not anti Russian, I don't even mind their bid. Russians really have to know that the whole world doesn't hate them or think them inferior. Some may have reservations about the Russian Government but that doesn't mean that the Russian people or Culture is held in contempt by anyone. I don't know what Russians think the West thinks of them but I assure you most in the West or the whole world for that matter don't think much about it at all, too busy doing their own thing.
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Old September 16th, 2010, 01:04 PM   #312
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"West" usually has artificially created vision based on such "films" like "Salt" and it's enough to be an "expert on Russia" .

How many people I know were in Russia and repeated that it has nothing common with those vision they had before.

It's nothing new, booring and very predicted, based on information which "west" receives from its media. And this is already creating problems for national interests. Best example - in business.

So there is a direct connection. If you want to press country economically - create idiotic vision of its people and repeat it million times.

It's not a "coincidence". It's a deliberate tactic.

I hope you understand that it's not a "complex" like many think. It's an adequate concern, based on lessons from the past.
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"West" usually has artificially created vision based on such "films" like "Salt" and it's enough to be an "expert on Russia" .
do you seriously think people in the west consider a movie like Salt as a doco on Russia?

next thing you will be telling me Australian's consider Crocodile Dundee a doco on life in Australia

Salt had Angelina Jolie in it for gods sake - you took it seriously?!?!?
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Old September 16th, 2010, 01:39 PM   #314
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do you seriously think people in the west consider a movie like Salt as a doco on Russia?
Doesn't matter how people consider it. This is how propaganda works. Repeat the same false vision during decades in thousands of films, and people will have exact stupid negative assossations with everything Russian.

It works as sum of all parameters - TV, media, education, computer games, films, etc.
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Doesn't matter how people consider it. This is how propaganda works. Repeat the same false vision during decades in thousands of films, and people will have exact stupid negative assossations with everything Russian.

It works as sum of all parameters - TV, media, education, computer games, films, etc.
you need to get a grip mate - no-one thinks Australian's walk around wrestling crocs and saying "thats not a knife, this is a knife"

likewise we don't think China is full of gung fu warriors, France full of playboys out to steal our women, Egypt con-men who sell ancient artifacts to evil millionaires, and of course Antarctica full of dancing penguins

ITS ONLY A MOVIE
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Old September 16th, 2010, 01:51 PM   #316
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This is how propaganda works.
Yeah, I feel the same way about Notting Hill, Mary Poppins, Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Oliver!

******* anti-British propaganda

What people abroad must think of my country
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Yeah, I feel the same way about Notting Hill, Mary Poppins, Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Oliver!

******* anti-British propaganda

What people abroad must think of my country
dude....what about SHAMELESS!!!

then again, we have Home and Away, Neighbours, and Prisoner
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Yeah, I feel the same way about Notting Hill, Mary Poppins, Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Oliver!

******* anti-British propaganda

What people abroad must think of my country
You didn't catch the point . Propaganda is when country and its people are imaged as the same idiotic false vision in ALL (biggest majority) of films where it somehow has.

Your example fails.
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ITS ONLY A MOVIE
This is not an argument.

Fundament for vision of the world is constructing in childhood. When kid sees anyone as the same crazy moron in all of his sources (films, education, computer games, "documentaries"), he will have this vision in all of his further life, if he will be too lazy to find real information.

Also, it was already proved by Goebbels work: no matter what you want to show, just repeat it thousand times, and people will accept it as truth.

Of course, these "movies" will not have big influence on vision of grown-up people. But how can you guarantee that kids will not fall for these very smart lies. Seeing drunk cosmonaut in Armageddon (what, americans don't know who was first cosmonaut in space? And what country had more than 40 "first" achievements in space? And now "great americans" are flying in space on Russian Soyuz, driven by "drunk" consmonauts, yeah); playing "No Russian" mission in CoD:MW or killing Soviet soldiers (who fought for his life during WW2) in Singularity, etc. Examples have no end.

If you don't see continuation of anti-Russian (already against Russian culture and people, not ideology) propaganda in information sphere, you must be blind or just don't want to accept it.

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Old September 16th, 2010, 02:22 PM   #320
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The 1996 European Football Championship hosted by England was amazing. I loved the atmosphere and the stadiums.

I can imagine the atmosphere during The World Cup in England, not to mention the world fameous venues at which the games would be played.

COME ON ENGLAND!
Love it, Come on ENGLAND!
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