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Old October 30th, 2010, 10:32 PM   #401
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Perhaps, in Russia, the press and the government might be one and the same (I neither know nor care). But that's not the case in England. So stop talking crap about things that you don't understand. Okay?
So that's again what i'm talking about. If you want to excuse your press, then do not overreact on some private words of spanish and russian bid officials. Before complaining to FIFA make a complain to your court against false in your press. Nobody talking about freedom of speech. It's just a matter of moral and judicial responsibility. If somebody throwing a false accusation without court's support then they should response for it.
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I'm failing to even understand these posts now. Nevermind.
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Old October 30th, 2010, 11:24 PM   #403
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Old October 31st, 2010, 01:04 AM   #404
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What is still expected is a large apologies from official represents of British sporting policies for a mess caused by British press. Nobody cares of bureaucracy and excuses like it's just the press, not the bid, so we are clear. No you aren't. This shows a simple intolerance.
So the British press should apologize for exposing corruption?
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Old October 31st, 2010, 01:45 AM   #405
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So that's again what i'm talking about. If you want to excuse your press, then do not overreact on some private words of spanish and russian bid officials. Before complaining to FIFA make a complain to your court against false in your press. Nobody talking about freedom of speech. It's just a matter of moral and judicial responsibility. If somebody throwing a false accusation without court's support then they should response for it.
Excuse your press? "your" "press".

As a South African we faced some of the worst "make-believe" scare stories before the WC but I still don't think you understand how free press or freedom of speech works. South Africa could not sure those publications, even if we wanted to. We just got back at them by proving them wrong, and hosting a successful event.

With all due respect, this is quite scary coming from a mod. I sincerely hopes its just a case of a poor translation from Russian to English.
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Coth you made a great point on the English bid over-reacting, but then ruined it by saying the UK Govt should have handled the press.

Legally you cannot, because the freedom of the press is protected in the UK.

What do you suggest then? The Govt send a few thugs to editors homes to make the point about what happens to editors who allow their papers to act against the govt's will?

Or how about they make a few journo's "disappear" to teach the rest a lesson?

I am really curious to hear how you think in a country where press freedom is protected that the govt could have handled the press
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Old October 31st, 2010, 02:32 AM   #407
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Russia doesnt derserve the world cup but with an organisation as corrupt and malovolent as FIFA they will propably get it. SHAME.
So, you've come up with a justification in advance in case of English defeat. Very well.
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Of course we've done something wrong!

We're England.

That's provocation enough to much of the global football fraternity!
Oooh! Truly speaking, I'm was expecting to hear this words from the Russian fans, not from the Brits.
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So that's again what i'm talking about. If you want to excuse your press, then do not overreact on some private words of spanish and russian bid officials. Before complaining to FIFA make a complain to your court against false in your press. Nobody talking about freedom of speech. It's just a matter of moral and judicial responsibility. If somebody throwing a false accusation without court's support then they should response for it.
So you're claiming to have inside information now, are you? You know for a fact that the Sunday Times' allegations are false (despite all the video evidence that they are, in fact, 100% true)? I hope you're able to back up your claims with some evidence..............but I'm not going to hold my breath.

What is it that you don't understand, exactly, about the difference, on the one hand, between the British press writing articles that are critical of the English *, Russian, Spanish or Qatari bids and, on the other, OFFICIAL MEMBERS OF THE RUSSIAN AND SPANISH 2018 BID TEAMS making comments that are critical of the England 2018 bid?

The former is not contrary to FIFA rules, for the simple reason that the British press is not under the control of the England 2018 bid team. The latter is very much against FIFA rules because criticism of a rival bid by another bid team is specifically forbidden under FIFA rules. Russian and Spanish official bid team members have therefore clearly contravened FIFA rules and the England bid team - who have done nothing wrong - are therefore fully within their rights to demand an apology. It really isn't that hard to understand.

Finally - and for what seems like the millionth time - are you and your fellow Russians ever going to stop boring on about the British press? It's really ******* pathetic and tedious. Your country actually has a very good bid. Couldn't you, just for once, talk about that rather than talking about things that you don't understand?

It would make a refreshing change.

* Don't forget that the most damaging article yet to have been written by the British press was at England 2018's expense.
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The most direct damage done to a single bid, yes. The most damaging article yet has been at FIFA's expense, and thank God the Sunday Times had the foresight to investigate this before the vote. As Phil Cornwall said in his article I posted a few pages back:

"What is different this time, different from the Salt Lake City scandal - Utah still got its Winter Games - is that the Sunday Times's Insight team have got in first, ahead of December's vote for 2018 and 2022. The cosy world of FIFA has been thrown into chaos, with two executive committee members suspended along with four officials. Denials have been issued, but FIFA's ethics committee has had no choice but to launch the most important investigation of its kind football has ever faced."

If these allegations and this evidence had come out after the vote people will have muttered "FIFA is corrupt, but tell us something we don't know" and that would be the end of it. The fact that it's come out before the vote does the Sunday Times' investigative team much credit. I don't normally like the Murdoch Press, but this is one occassion where they've really earned their stripes in giving FIFA a real incentive to clean up their act. Whether FIFA decides to act properly now is their choice of course, but I can see the Press being like a dog with a bone if FIFA ignores the opportunity presented to them.

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Old October 31st, 2010, 02:42 PM   #411
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Actually the two biggest losers from everything that's happened at this point re collusion anyway-are the USA and Russia
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Old October 31st, 2010, 05:51 PM   #412
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Russia denied claims of british newspaper. "Sunday Times" didn't publish the article, because Russia threatened to apply for a court for this slander.

Good job, Russia. These fast and direct actions made the bid even stronger.
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Old October 31st, 2010, 06:00 PM   #413
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The two World Cup bid candidates under investigation for alleged vote collusion are almost certain to avoid serious punishment.

insideworldfootball has learned that Spain-Portugal and Qatar are likely to be exonerated by FIFA's Ethics Committee with little more than a warning.

It is understood the alleged deal, highlighted by the Sunday Times and claimed to involve up to seven FIFA Executive Commitee members, was not even discussed at thetheir meeting in Zurich on Friday (October 29).

With a lack of any firm evidence to incriminate either party, several Executive Committee members said privately it was now inevitable that Spain and Portugal would be given the green light to carry on lobbying for 2018 and Qatar for 2022 when the ethics committee delivers its verdict on November 17.

"There is no other outcome," said one senior FIFA administrator while another said: "There will have to proof that anything has been done wrong legally."

The Spanish and Portuguese were conspicuous by their absence in Zurich but have fiercely protested their innocence and have bizarrely accused England of doing their own deal with the United States in breach of FIFA regulations.

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And a good little article on the dark horses, Holland/Belgium

Holland-Belgium bid CEO Harry Been tells INSIDER that FIFA faces an historic choice over the future format of the World Cup on its Dec. 2 bid D-day.

Been says that his bid is a standard-bearer for 180 smaller member associations who would like to host the finals but would ordinarily be overlooked in favour of a great footballing, political or economic power.

He believes his joint bid is a credible alternative to this apparent status quo and that it would give hope to smaller nations. He says that FIFA should be flexible in its approach and take seriously joint bids.

“I think they should chose for the other 180 countries that might want a chance in the future,” Been told INSIDER.

“Of course they should go back to the bigger countries as well, we should sometimes have it in the bigger countries. But we should do two countries as well, two countries that are bordering each other. There are a lot of those in the world.”

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Russia denied claims of british newspaper. "Sunday Times" didn't publish the article, because Russia threatened to apply for a court for this slander.

Good job, Russia. These fast and direct actions made the bid even stronger.
I have absolutely no idea what your on about...
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Old October 31st, 2010, 07:07 PM   #416
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The Sunday Times was going to publish an article on Russia 2018 apparently offering incentives to one voter. Russia 2018 threatened them with court action and according to WFInsider they haven't published it. I've no reason to disbelieve him and am not about to sign up to get beyond The Times' paywall to find out.
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Russia's 2018 World Cup bid attacks new 'bribery' allegations

• Russia linked with suspended Fifa executive Amos Adamu
• Bid leader 'categorically' rejects implications of bribery


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Russia's 2018 World Cup bid has responded tonight with anger to allegations that they offered incentives to the suspended Fifa executive Amos Adamu in an attempt to secure his vote.

The claims arose from the Sunday Times's investigation into alleged vote-buying, which led to Adamu's suspension by Fifa on 20 October. According to the paper, Adamu told an undercover reporter during the sting operation that the Russians had offered him "co-operation" with building facilities and training players in Nigeria. The suggestion was that such offers of support would be made in exchange for his vote.

The head of the Russian bid, Alexei Sorokin, tonight attacked the claims, and suggested the newspaper had deliberately targeted Russia in an attempt to damage England's main rival in the bidding process.

Sorokin confirmed that Adamu had visited Moscow in August, but insisted the visit was conducted "in confirmity with Fifa rules", and had not involved the offer of any voting incentives.

"Mr Adamu was indeed visiting Russia in August," Sorokin said. "During his stay in Moscow he was introduced to the key elements of Russia's bid through a series of presentations and venue tours. However, we would like to categorically state that never was he approached with any offers of assistance in pitch construction or players' training or any other partnership. We consider statements by Mr Adamu as speculation and unfounded."

Sorokin added that "all bidders are likely to have made proposals to the various stakeholders" as part of their legacy planning, but that such proposals – including "friendly matches, coaching academies, referees courses and infrastructural support" – did not imply any attempt to buy support.

Sorokin's suggestion that the claims were part of an English media attempt to undermine a rival bid – questioning whether the Sunday Times was taking a "complete, impartial and balanced approach" – echoed suggestions made by Sepp Blatter on Friday.

The Fifa president told a press conference: "One can ask whether it is appropriate for newspapers to set traps for people ... Why would an English newspaper do that? We talk about fair play in sport – that must apply to the media too."

The Sunday Times, though, stood by its approach, pointing out they were acting in response to "specific allegations" by Adamu, who "did not discuss receiving specific offers of 'co-operation' from other bidding nations".

The latest dispute adds to an increasingly bitter and chaotic bidding process, and follows last week's formal complaint by the England bid team after Sorokin was quoted as saying London had a high crime rate and alcoholism problem. Sorokin later claimed he had been mistranslated, with England withdrawing their complaint following an apology from Russia's sports minister.

Fifa confirmed on Friday that the final vote will go ahead on 2 December as planned, despite the ongoing inquiry by their ethics committee into the original allegations of vote-trading against Adamu and Reynald Temarii, and claims against four other officials. The committee is due to report on 17 November.

P. S. Good victory over Ministery of Truth!
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The Russia bid of course is protecting its own interests, fair enough. And the Sunday Times is just printing what it has found out from its ongoing investigation, also fair enough.

The Sunday Times has done some great investigative journalism in exposing FIFA though. I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
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Media blamed as England's hopes for 2018 World Cup bid fade

• Fifa corruption stories have damaged chances, say bid team
• Bid chief holds talks with BBC over Panorama investigation


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Senior executives from England's World Cup bid have met the BBC director general, Mark Thompson, over a Panorama investigation into alleged Fifa corruption that some fear could be the "final nail" in their chances of hosting the 2018 tournament.

But it is understood that the 2018 chief executive, Andy Anson, was given short shrift by Thompson, who viewed it as an attempt to influence the BBC's current affairs flagship, whose editorial independence is sacrosanct.

As the fallout continues from a recent Sunday Times investigation into Fifa corruption that led to the suspension of two executive committee members and four officials, senior bid insiders have increasingly felt the newspaper revelations have had a harmful effect on their chances.

One senior bid source said today: "It is a fact that England's chances have been damaged among Fifa executive committee members. If the Panorama is broadcast that will damage our chances further."

Russia are increasingly seen as strong favourites for the 2018 tournament but Spain and Portugal's joint bid is also believed to be in a good position thanks to the networking skills of the Spanish federation chief, Angel María Villar Llona.

Initially there were hopes that the magnitude of the revelations – and Fifa's swift action to provisionally suspend Amos Adamu of Nigeria and the Oceania representative Reynald Temarii – would not harm England's chances because the newspaper investigation would rightly be seen as justified.

But as the Guardian reported last week, sources on the Fifa executive committee were increasingly concerned at what they saw the "hostile" and "sometimes aggressive" nature of the British media and a siege mentality has taken hold. The Fifa president, Sepp Blatter, who last week seized the opportunity to try to reassert his control, had earlier promised to drive the "devils" from football but last week turned his fire on the tactics of the Sunday Times. "One can ask whether it is appropriate for newspapers and journalists to set traps for people," he said.

The Qatari Fifa executive committee member Mohamed Bin Hamman echoed that view and had already written on his blog that he considered the investigation "unethical".

"Forging identity, fabricating evidence and setting traps are unethical behaviours in my point of view," he wrote. "One thing about Middle East media, these are rare happenings there."

The presence in Zurich of Andrew Jennings, the author behind the Fifa exposé Foul who is contributing to Panorama, further unnerved the 22 members of the executive committee who will vote on the 2018 and 2022 tournaments on 2 December. England's 2018 team are refusing to throw in the towel.

They are hopeful that by creating some distance between the bid and the British media, as well as pointing out that newspapers have been fair in their coverage of the International Olympic Committee since London secured the Games in 2005, they can repair the damage.

The verdict of the Fifa ethics committee, considering the cases of the two executive committee members and four officials who have been provisionally suspended as well as allegations of vote trading between Spain-Portugal and Qatar, on 17 November will be key.

Bid insiders hope the technical reports to be published midway through this month, expected to score England highly but not likely to be a key factor in the final analysis, will give them fresh momentum that can be capitalised on by during a presentation by the prime minister David Cameron, David Beckham and Prince William.

They are considering writing to every newspaper and media organisation, urging them to back the bid as it enters the final straight. But attempts to influence the Panorama investigation into the race to host the 2018 and 2022 tournaments are believed to be doomed to failure, with BBC insiders angry.Bid insiders insist they simply put the facts as they saw them to the BBC, at no stage asking for the programme to be changed or watered down.

A similar situation emerged in 2004, ahead of the vote for the 2012 Olympics that was ultimately won by London. Then, bid executives appealed unsuccessfully to the BBC to axe the programme but in that case the bid team had a year to neutralise the impact. The 2018 bid team has less than a month.England's rivals have not been slow to stoke the fears of the Fifa voters. At the height of England's row with the Russian bid last week, Russian Football Union's honorary president Vyacheslav Koloskov said last week "their journalists are provoking members of the committee".

Despite the diligent campaign mounted in recent months by bid executives, the delayed impact of the Sunday Times investigation is far from the only problem to hamper the bid, some of them self-inflicted.

No sooner had a line been drawn under the infighting and political fallout that characterised its first year then chairman Lord Triesman was forced to resign in May following a newspaper sting. England's message that its commercial clout could help fund football development around the world has been pitched against Russia's case to take the World Cup into new territories and Villar Llona's networking skills.
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"The Fifa president told a press conference: "One can ask whether it is appropriate for newspapers to set traps for people ... Why would an English newspaper do that? We talk about fair play in sport – that must apply to the media too.""

Pathetic, they've basically been caught out and are playing victim. If he wants fair play, maybe FIFA shouldn't be so damn corrupt in the first place.
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