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View Poll Results: What European bid should be selected as host?
England 217 35.06%
Portugal & Spain 119 19.22%
Belgium & Netherlands 85 13.73%
Russia 198 31.99%
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Old November 12th, 2010, 12:23 PM   #461
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You can lose with dignity, congratulate the victor and yet still be unhappy about the conduct of FIFA and their shambles of a bidding process. They aren't mutually exclusive.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 12:34 PM   #462
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^ how come you lot can behave on this thread but not on the respective national threads for the russian and English bids?
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Old November 12th, 2010, 12:34 PM   #463
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You can lose with dignity, congratulate the victor and yet still be unhappy about the conduct of FIFA and their shambles of a bidding process. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Well, I visited Spain and Portugal a month ago. They have all the necessary infrastructure for the organization of football competitions (Portuguese stadiums have been upgraded to Euro 2004). So I understand that their common bid is strong.

As for Qatar, his election will say a lot (not because I dislike Qatari, but because there are no any football traditions in this state). But it will not be our problem.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 12:46 PM   #464
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Well, I visited Spain and Portugal a month ago. They have all the necessary infrastructure for the organization of football competitions (Portuguese stadiums have been upgraded to Euro 2004). So I understand that their common bid is strong.

As for Qatar, his election will say a lot (not because I dislike Qatari, but because there are no any football traditions in this state). But it will not be our problem.
Are you saying that England doesn't have the infrastructure then? Spain hosted the world cup in 1982, England hosted the world cup in 1966, I fail to see how their common bid could be strong. I mean the other nation we are talking about is Portugal, who have a fantastic history of corruption/match fixing within their own league. Which means England's bid is stronger and if you say you are happy to lose to the Spanish/Portugal bid then you should be similarly happy to lose to the English bid At least England didn't rig the vote with Qatar.

As for the 2nd point well everyone sees it Qatar's bid is the standout joke out of all the bidders but we will see whether the world cup hosting rights can be bought.
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Are you saying that England doesn't have the infrastructure then? Spain hosted the world cup in 1982, England hosted the world cup in 1966, I fail to see how their common bid could be strong.
I don't think that history of WC hosting should play a major role in the voiting. Therefore I don't see big difference between 1966 and 1982.

But if you consider that history should be one of the main criteria, that let to see at European bids:

England - WC1966 and Euro1996;
Spain - EC1964 and WC1982;
Belgium - EC1972 and Euro2000;
Netherlands - Euro2000;
Portugal - Euro2004;
Russia - nothing.

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I mean the other nation we are talking about is Portugal, who have a fantastic history of corruption/match fixing within their own league. Which means England's bid is stronger and if you say you are happy to lose to the Spanish/Portugal bid then you should be similarly happy to lose to the English bid
Actually, in the terms of infrastructure I see English bid such strong as Spain/Portugal. I will not happy to lose to the English bid (like Spanish/Portuguese bid), but I will understand why FIFA did such choise. Although I'm personally like Spain as state more than Britain.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 01:11 PM   #466
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You could never have guessed from your posts!
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Old November 12th, 2010, 01:34 PM   #467
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However that being said, England has a brilliant final presentation ready and that's how Germany won the final vote in 2006. They too had to go through this rubbish bribery scandal on the day of the vote for the 2006 tournament, who done it? I don't think anyone still knows but Germany pulled it off and so can England.
Miracle of the House of Brandenburg:

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The Miracle of the House of Brandenburg refers to the sudden death of Russia's Empress Elizabeth (at the age of 52) at the beginning of 1762.

After six years of the Seven Years' War, the Prussian army was greatly weakened and had just lost the vital Baltic Sea port of Kolberg to the Russians. Frederick II of Prussia considered himself lost and was on the verge of suicide. On January 5, Empress Elizabeth died, and her nephew came to the throne as Peter III. Peter was notoriously pro-Prussian; on his accession, he withdrew his troops and ended the war to no Russian advantage.

At the close of World War II, Berlin was again encircled by Russian armies. Recalling the miracle of two centuries earlier, Adolf Hitler hoped Germany would be saved by some unexpected event such as the death of Franklin D. Roosevelt and resultant disagreements between Winston Churchill and Joseph Stalin.

As we all know, this miracle didn't happened.
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David Cameron went running with Spain's prime minister Jose Luis Zapatero in a jog which became part of the battle for the right to host football's 2018 World Cup.

Spain will be one of England's leading rivals when Fifa announces the name of the 2018 hosts in Zurich on December 2. It has made a joint bid with Portugal.

Mr Cameron did his bit on Friday morning to boost England's chances by wearing a T-shirt adorned with the bid slogan "England United - The World Invited".

Mr Cameron has been lobbying fellow leaders at the G20 summit in Seoul on behalf of the England bid, and has vowed to fly to Zurich to sweet-talk Fifa executive committee members before they cast their votes.

Both England and Spain will keep up their efforts to stage the world's biggest football event, right up to the finishing line on December 2 - when they also face competition from Russia and a joint Belgium/Netherlands bid.

But Downing Street was coy about who reached the finishing line first in Friday morning's sporting event, insisting that the Prime Minister's run - unlike the World Cup bid - was "not a competitive event".


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Old November 12th, 2010, 02:08 PM   #469
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Hmmm... Good PR-moves! Just interesting: English fans blamed Spanish bid, but their PM makes alliance with Spanish.
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Meanwhile dodgy pictures have popped up of Spain/Portugal and Qatar discussing some of the terms of their vote rigging.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 05:16 PM   #472
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Meanwhile dodgy pictures have popped up of Spain/Portugal and Qatar discussing some of the terms of their vote rigging.
Can you elaborate please. Who are these people, where are they, when is it, and what is dodgy about the pictures? Ta.

Or have I missed a gag here?
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Old November 12th, 2010, 05:57 PM   #473
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Can you elaborate please. Who are these people, where are they, when is it, and what is dodgy about the pictures? Ta.
well, that leather jacket is very dodgy, for starters.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 06:20 PM   #474
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well, that leather jacket is very dodgy, for starters.
That's Hassan al-Thawadi their bid's chief or should I say main puppet
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Old November 12th, 2010, 06:34 PM   #475
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Meanwhile dodgy pictures have popped up of Spain/Portugal and Qatar discussing some of the terms of their vote rigging.
Qatar also met Russia & England members this month so who will get Qatar vote !! of course only one of them but what we are sure of that many of these countries will vote for Qatar bid.
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Old November 13th, 2010, 12:24 AM   #476
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Qatar also met Russia & England members this month so who will get Qatar vote !! of course only one of them but what we are sure of that many of these countries will vote for Qatar bid.


MBH will only vote Spain,its part of his pact
He will not vote England
Any self respecting ExCo member will go for the clean bids

BTW,Qatar still has to get to the vote yet.
The special meeting of ExCo could finally do what we've all been waiting for and give them the
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Old November 13th, 2010, 12:35 AM   #477
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So, I guess it's the perfect timing to say:

Allez Belgique Allez !! Hup Holland Hup !!

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A great World Cup that would be
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Fifa president Sepp Blatter is preparing to call an emergency meeting of his executive committee after receiving an official report on bribery allegations surrounding the 2018 and 2022 World Cup hosting votes.

Two football officials confirmed on Thursday to The Associated Press that Blatter has contacted his executive colleagues about meeting in Zurich next Friday - two days after Fifa's ethics committee is set to rule on allegations that voters Amos Adamu and Reynald Temarii were prepared to sell their support for funding toward football projects.

One who spoke on condition of anonymity said Blatter sent a request for the meeting but did not indicate an agenda.

A second official said the meeting at Fifa headquarters could be confirmed on Friday.

Fifa's executive panel last met October 29, when 22 members - minus the suspended Adamu and Temarii - agreed to choose both World Cup hosts as scheduled on December 2.

Blatter said at a news conference that day the poll would proceed with 22 or 23 voters if the ethics panel ordered sanctions against one or both of his colleagues.

Ethics chairman Claudio Sulser provisionally barred Adamu and Temarii from football duty last month and said his team would meet from November 15-17 to hear their cases. Sulser said he could order interim suspensions of a further 20 days - excluding the pair from voting - if more time was needed to complete the investigation.

Sulser's panel is studying videos and transcripts of interviews conducted by undercover reporters from British newspaper The Sunday Times which appeared to show Adamu and Temarii asking for cash for their votes. Four former Fifa executive committee members are also under suspicion.

It will also examine allegations that the Spain-Portugal team bidding for the 2018 World Cup entered into a vote-trading alliance with 2022 contender Qatar in breach of Fifa rules.


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He will be involved in intensive lobbying in the countdown to the vote and will arrive in Zurich two or three days before the ballot.

England's bid team hope that Cameron can repeat the impact former Prime Minister Tony Blair had when his appearance five years ago in Singapore helped London secure the 2012 Olympic Games.

'The vote can all change in the final days and that is certainly what Tony Blair achieved for us,' said a veteran of London's successful bid. 'Not being in the lead at this stage is not necessarily a bad thing.

'The key with Tony Blair was that we got him out there two days before the vote, whereas French President Jacques Chirac just waltzed in the evening before.

'By then we had done all the work and won people round. I still remember the look of dismay on the faces of the French as [bid leader] Seb Coe walked past the French delegation late one night with a key IOC delegate, who was going in to see Blair.'

This week will provide England's bid with a boost when FIFA release the technical reports on the prospective candidates, England, Spain-Portugal, Holland-Belgium and Russia.

England will receive a glowing report and be ranked 'low risk', the best possible outcome. However, the reports, which cover aspects such as security, logistics and transport, are expected to rank one of England's major rivals, Russia, as 'medium risk' in certain areas.

Encouraging though the technical reports may be for England, it is Cameron's role that insiders see as crucial.

In the immediate aftermath of London's Olympics victory, Canadian IOC member Dick Pound commented: 'I think the people of Britain should get down on their hands and knees and thank their Prime Minister.'

Blair conceded that he had 'had just about enough of the Olympic movement, its members and its ceremonies' by the end of his lobbying and Cameron, who joked last week at the G20 summit that he felt as though he was doing more work on the 2018 bid than on the economy, may feel the same after 24 hours at the preposterously grand FIFA headquarters in Zurich.

As Blair observed, the tone required on these occasions is: 'We humbly beg to offer our services to your great movement.'

The same humility will be required from the Prime Minister, as well as from Prince William, the second in line to the throne, and David Beckham, the world's most famous footballer, who will also be on hand to lobby on England's behalf.

If they can pull it off, England may not be finished just yet, despite the fact that Spain and Portugal would be most people's favourites to win the majority vote required of FIFA's executive committee members.

One independent source, who knows the 24 members of the executive committee, insisted last week: 'It's still not impossible that England could win, even though the bid has been badly run at times and riven with rivalries between the Premier League and the FA.

'An awful lot happens in the final 24 hours, when alliances change. However, to win in those final hours, it is essential that you are at least in second place; it is almost impossible to do so if you are in third.'

The odds are against England leading, or indeed winning, following the emergence of what is, at the very least, a close understanding between Spanish FA president Angel Maria Villar Llona and the Qatari president of the Asian Football Confederation, Mohamed Bin Hamman.

Qatar are bidding to stage the 2022 World Cup and voting for that tournament will take place immediately after the 2018 contest.

FIFA's ethics committee will rule on Wednesday on allegations of collusion between Qatar and Spain as well as the fate of two executive committee members who have been suspended following accusations of corruption.

Nigeria's Amos Adamu allegedly told undercover newspaper reporters that he would accept £500,000, ostensibly for artificial pitches, in return for his vote.

When asked whether the money should be paid to the Nigerian FA or to him directly, he is alleged to have replied: 'Directly, directly.'Adamu denies any wrongdoing.

Reynald Temarii, the president of the Oceania Football Confederation, allegedly told reporters that he was willing to receive £1.5million in funding for sports projects in his region in return for his vote. Temari insists that he will be exonerated on Wednesday.

The nuances of FIFA's judgment on the claims against Spain and Qatar will be studied carefully. Although they expect to be cleared of any offence, the tone of the ruling will, say sources, make some executive members nervous about deals they may themselves have made.


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