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View Poll Results: What European bid should be selected as host?
England 217 35.06%
Portugal & Spain 119 19.22%
Belgium & Netherlands 85 13.73%
Russia 198 31.99%
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Old November 15th, 2010, 03:34 PM   #501
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From the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9188757.stm

"Leaders of England's 2018 World Cup bid have written to Fifa distancing themselves from corruption allegations made against football's world governing body by the British media.

England officials have also pleaded with Fifa's executive committee to base its decision on the merits of their bid.

The letter, signed by chairman Geoff Thompson and international president David Dein, is the latest attempt to put England's campaign back on track ahead of the vote on 2 December.

England are facing defeat after a backlash from Fifa members in response to an investigation by the Sunday Times into alleged corruption in the bidding process.

Two executive committee members, Amos Adamu of Nigeria and Reynald Temarii of Tahiti, face a Fifa ethics committee hearing this week into the newspaper's claims that they were willing to offer their support in return for money for football projects.

Both men have denied any wrongdoing and will fight the allegations during the three-day hearing.

England 2018 also fear they could be damaged by an upcoming BBC Panorama investigation into Fifa, due to be screened on 29 November - only three days before the vote.

Thompson and Dein wrote: "In recent weeks, the role of the British media and its relationship with both Fifa as an organisation and the individual members of the Fifa Executive Committee has come under the spotlight and there has been significant speculation as to the effect that this might have on our bid.

"It has been a difficult time for Fifa and as a member of the football family we naturally feel solidarity with you and your colleagues.

"It is now public knowledge that we have made representations to the BBC regarding a forthcoming documentary they are planning. We are alerting you to fact that the programme appears in part to be raking over allegations some of which are up to 10-years-old and have already been formally dealt with by Fifa and the Swiss courts.

"We hope England's bid will not be judged negatively due to the activities of individual media organisations, regardless of one's view of their conduct. We hope you appreciate that we have no control over the British media."

We hope England's bid will not be judged negatively due to the activities of individual media organisations

Geoff Thompson and David Dein

In writing the letter, England 2018 hope to have countered any suggestions that they may have somehow colluded with the Sunday Times or BBC investigations. They also hope to have demonstrated to the Fifa members that they are part of the football family.

While some may have questioned the sympathy shown to the Fifa members by Thompson and Dein, they have been careful not to overtly criticise the British media. The bid leaders have also made it clear that they have no control over the media.

This is the crucial point they have sought to get across. They believe it would be extremely unfair to judge England's bid on the basis of the way the country's media operates.

It is a sign of how badly the bid team believe they have been damaged by events of the last month that a letter like this has been sent to Fifa.

It is understood Dein was encouraged to do it following a meeting with the Fifa president Sepp Blatter in Zurich last week.

England face coming third behind Russia and a joint bid from Spain and Portugal unless they can mount a dramatic fightback.

This week promises to be a critical with the ethics committee due to publish its findings on Amadu and Temarii on Wednesday. The committee will also rule on claims that Spain and Portugal have agreed a voting alliance with Qatar, who are bidding for the 2022 World Cup finals.

Unusually, Fifa has called an emergency executive committee meeting for Friday to discuss the findings.

Fifa's inspection report on each of the bids has also been sent out and will be published this week with England expected to be given a low risk rating.

If Fifa's ethics committee gives weight to the Sunday Times claims by getting tough with the two members currently suspended and there is a good response to the letter and the inspection report, then England may feel they can still get back into the race."

Seems as if it's clutching at straws personally.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 03:41 PM   #502
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FIFA are self-serving cowards who live in their own little ivory tower in a country where investigative journalism is all but illegal. They've been caught out and they don't like it. Well, diddums doo.

This sentence made particularly horrible reading:

It is understood Dein was encouraged to do it following a meeting with the Fifa president Sepp Blatter in Zurich last week.


Did the IOC ask London to write an embarrassingly sycophantic letter pleading for forgiveness after the BBC exposed one of their members accepting a bribe? No. They dealt with the situation and didn't let it harm our bid. The IOC knew it was one of their members in the wrong and didn't seek retribution or try to humiliate our bid.

The FIFA Execs are all intelligent people. They KNOW our bid has no influence over the media. They don't need a letter from England 2018 to tell them that. Yet Blatter encouraged our bid to grovel to FIFA, when really FIFA should be apologising to ALL the bidding nations for running a shambles of a bid race with zero transparency and constant moving of the goalposts. It's ******* disgusting to be frank and shows FIFA's complete inability to accept any blame.

If the prize wasn't so great I'd be all for our bid withdrawing now and having nothing to do with FIFA. Our country isn't wet-behind-the-ears; it doesn't need the FIFA seal of approval to continuing being one of the biggest footballing nations in the world. We can do very well without Blatter, Warner and the rest.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 04:02 PM   #503
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This England 2018 team don't seem to be near as slick as the London 2012 team, big budget or no big budget.

The FIFA process is of course a bit of a farce, but its all a bit of a joke. I suppose FIFA's half the reason its becoming one.
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FIFA is the entire reason it's become one.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 04:21 PM   #505
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Old November 18th, 2010, 10:21 PM   #506
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Avianova promised to open flights to all cities of Russia, where the planned World Cup 2018
http://www.euromag.ru/great_britain/5039.html
"Transport accessibility are major factors in the performance of such big events like the FIFA World Cup, especially when it comes to such a large country like Russia. I am ready to personally assure the FIFA president Sepp Blatter that Avianova provide Russian residents and visitors of the World Cup and accessible by regular air services. Already today we offer tickets at the rate of 5.90 euro, which corresponds to the pricing policies of the leading European discounter - company Ryanair, and our rate of regularity meets the highest international standards. I - an Englishman, but in these days of soul root for Russia ", - said managing director Avianova Andrew Pyne.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 10:37 PM   #508
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Guys, this is WC 2018 thread, not WC 2022.
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Guys, this is WC 2018 thread, not WC 2022.
australian guys maybe thinking Qatar bid is part of 2018 as Australia bid was part of 2018
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Guys, this is WC 2018 thread, not WC 2022.
NOPE. Look at title: FIFA World Cup 2018/2022. Plus the fact that they've closed the other thread anyway...so this doubles as the open thread for BOTH!!
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NOPE. Look at title: FIFA World Cup 2018/2022. Plus the fact that they've closed the other thread anyway...so this doubles as the open thread for BOTH!!
Are you ESL??

European bids only, only 2018. Stupid.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 12:14 AM   #512
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European bids only, only 2018. Stupid.
Well, duh. THere are NO European bids in the 2022 category -- but it still says 2022!! So if you want to narrow your options, then that's problem, IDIOT!!

The other 2018/2022 thread is closed...so one can disregard half of that title as one chooses -- MORON!!
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Old November 19th, 2010, 01:34 AM   #513
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Africa's ...... Australia's red mist

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statist...262/index.html

6 red cards have been shown in the last four FIFA World Cup matches involving Australia. Harry Kewell became the third Australian player to receive his marching orders in that span with the tally made up of one Italian (Marco Materazzi) and two Croatians (Dario Simic and Josip Simunic). Kewell's red card, following a handling offence in the game with Ghana in Rustenburg, was also the 150th sending-off at FIFA World Cups.
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Though not related to the thread at all I think Australia will likely always attract more red cards than other teams. It's in the way we attack sport, our style is far more physical that other nations. No doubt a product of the sporting landscape in that many children play multible sports that they would adopt some of the aggression from Aussie Rules and Rugby, we run in straight lines.
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Ready to Inspire!

The Russia bid’s hosting concept proposes to maximise exposure to Russia for visitors and facilitate participation in the FIFA World Cup™ for as many Russian regions as possible through a geographic clustering of the candidate Host Cities. The bid is supported by the national and local football authorities, the local city governments (by virtue of duly executed Host City Agreements), the stadium authorities (by virtue of duly executed Stadium Agreements), and the national government (by virtue of duly executed Government Guarantees).

The bid proposes 13 Host Cities and 16 stadiums, thus exceeding FIFA’s minimum requirement. Three of the 16 stadiums would be renovated, and 13 would be constructed. A stadium construction and renovation budget of USD 3.82 billion has been projected.

In terms of football development, the Bidder outlines various programmes to increase participation in the game across Russia and its adjoining countries. Russian football is respected worldwide and its teams have recorded various successes at club and international level. Russia has experience in hosting a major international sports event in the last 20 years, having hosted the FIFA U-20 Women’s World Cup 2006. It will also host the 2014 Winter Olympic Games in Sochi (one of the candidate FIFA World Cup™ Host Cities).

The Bidder has contracted the required number of venue-specific team hotels (VSTHs) and venue-specific training sites (VSTSs). It has contracted more than the required number of team base camp (TBC) hotels and training sites. Realisation of the team facility plan depends on significant construction in general as well as upgrades to training sites. Privacy may also be an issue for some sites with regard to closed training sessions.

In terms of accommodation, more than 100,000 rooms have already been contracted, thus exceeding FIFA’s minimum requirement of 60,000. Based on the information in the Bid Book, Russia has an adequate supply of contracted rooms, largely in the three-star category, in every candidate Host City. However, the significant investment forecast indicates a dependence on construction and modernisation within the hotel sector. As for the FIFA headquarters, the proposal appears to meet FIFA’s requirements although the rack rate for a standard room in the proposed hotel is high and should be reviewed.

The bid’s transport plan is based mainly on the geographic clustering of its candidate Host Cities. The country’s vastness and its remoteness from other countries, coupled with the fact that the high-speed railway network is limited and would only link six candidate Host Cities by 2018, would put pressure on the air traffic infrastructure, potentially causing transfer challenges in view of the lack of alternative means of long-distance transport. The current air traffic situation is to be improved through major upgrades and capacity increases to the majority of the airports. However, any delay in the completion of the transport projects could impact on FIFA’s tournament operations and the proposed installation of temporary facilities could impose a high cost burden. In particular, a greater number of direct flight connections to major international airports would have to be made available from the majority of candidate Host City airports.

The information and communications technology (ICT) infrastructure in some areas of the country would have to be upgraded to bring it up to the standard needed to support the FIFA World Cup™. International standards for major event safety and security and for health and medical services are likely to be met.

The Bidder has submitted its concepts for sustainable social and human development and environmental protection initiatives.

The Bidder has also submitted generally suitable proposals for the competition-related event venues located in three candidate Host Cities.

Marketing, media and communication matters have also been addressed. The information provided in the Bid Book suggests that the major event and football sponsorship market in Russia is growing and not yet fully developed. In terms of TV, even in the case of matches in Russia’s European time zones (Moscow and Saint Petersburg are UTC+4), there might be an impact on European ratings, although this would most likely be limited. Russia might offer some time zone advantages for the Asian markets, but the effect of these advantages would also be limited and might impact the Americas.

The Bidder has submitted an expenditure budget of USD 641.3 million (current) for a FIFA Confederations Cup and FIFA World Cup™ in 2017 and 2018. The budget has been submitted in the format required with supporting information. A projection of approximately 3,141,000 sellable tickets has been made.

If Russia is awarded the hosting rights, FIFA’s legal risk appears to be low. The requirements for contractual documents have been met, and the necessary government support has been secured and is confirmed by the Government Legal Statement. Furthermore, the Russian Government has been given the chance to gain experience in supporting the hosting and staging of a major sports events and to show its willingness to make material concessions and accommodate the concerns of event organisers.
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FIFA Executive Summary: England



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The World Invited


The England bid’s legacy is based on the establishment of “Football United”, a global fund associated with the FIFA World Cup™ and aimed at driving positive global social change and development. The bid’s hosting concept proposes two FIFA Fan Fest™ sites per candidate Host City, with one site specifically tailored to families. The bid is supported by the national and local football authorities, the local city governments (by virtue of duly executed Host City Agreements), the stadium authorities (by virtue of duly executed Stadium Agreements) and the national government (by virtue of duly executed Government Guarantees).

The bid proposes 12 candidate Host Cities and 17 stadiums, thus exceeding FIFA’s minimum requirement. Five of the 17 stadiums already exist and would be renovated, five are to be built or are already under construction, and seven are built with no further renovation indicated. A stadium construction and renovation budget of USD 2.54 billion has been projected.

In terms of football development, the Bid Book puts forth a range of initiatives targeted at England and other parts of the world. Focus areas include school sport, physical education and grassroots football. English football is respected worldwide and its teams have recorded various successes at club and international level. England has experience of hosting large-scale international events in the last 20 years, including the UEFA EURO 1996 and the 2002 Commonwealth Games in Manchester. In addition, England will host the upcoming 2012 Summer Olympic Games and the 2015 IRB Rugby World Cup. England was also the host country of the 1966 FIFA World Cup™.

The Bidder has not contracted the required number of venue-specific training sites (VSTS) or venue-specific team hotels (VSTH). The Bidder has contracted the required number of team base camp (TBC) training sites but has not contracted the required number of TBC hotels. Additional training sites, likely to be selected from England’s existing range of professional club stadiums and training sites, may have to be considered. The proposed TBC renovations would have to be ensured, and some pairings should be reviewed.

In terms of accommodation, the Bidder proposes a relatively large inventory. However, the fact that not many of the rooms have been contracted in full compliance with FIFA’s template Hotel Agreement requires further analysis and potentially renegotiation. FIFA could be exposed to excessive pricing and booking conditions and the constituent groups may choose not to use the relevant properties. The Bidder has submitted a suitable proposal for the FIFA headquarters pending the contracting of additional hotel rooms. Although England does not have an extensive high-speed rail network, it has a high level of domestic and international accessibility, with an extensive rail and road network and two major international airports in London Heathrow and Manchester.

It appears that the country’s IT infrastructure would meet FIFA’s IT requirements. International standards for major event safety and security and for health and medical services are likely to be met. The Bidder has submitted concepts for initiatives pertaining to sustainable social and human development and environmental protection.

The Bidder has also submitted suitable proposals for competition-related event venues in seven cities. Marketing, media and communication matters have also been addressed. The information provided in the Bid Book suggests that England is the leading football sponsorship market in the world and one of the biggest markets for major sports event sponsorship in the world. In terms of TV rights, the current listed-event regulations in the United Kingdom, which adversely affects the free and unrestricted exploitation of media rights, needs to be suspended in accordance with the undertakings given in Government Guarantee No. 6 (Protection and Exploitation of Commercial Rights). Should the FIFA World Cup™ be hosted in Europe, the TV ratings in Europe and the European media rights income are likely to be secured.

The Bidder has submitted an expenditure budget of USD 722.9 million (current) for a FIFA Confederations Cup and FIFA World Cup™ in 2017 and 2018. The budget has been submitted in the format required with supporting information. A projection of approximately 3,397,000 sellable tickets has been made.

If England is awarded the hosting rights, FIFA’s legal risk appears to be low. The requirements for contractual documents have been met and the necessary government support has been secured with the exception of the reservations and qualifications to four Government Guarantees as contained in the Government Legal Statement, the U.K. Government has been given the opportunity to gain experience in supporting the hosting and staging of major sports events and to show its willingness to make material concessions and accommodate the concerns of event organisers.
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FIFA Executive Summary: Spain and Portugal



Working as a team towards a common dream

The Spain & Portugal bid’s co-hosting concept presents the advantages of co-hosting by referring to the shared history and football culture of the two countries. The joint bid is supported by the national and local football authorities, the local city governments (by virtue of duly executed Host City Agreements), the stadium authorities (by virtue of duly executed Stadium Agreements), and the national governments (by virtue of duly executed Government Guarantees).

The joint bid proposes 18 Host Cities and 21 stadiums, thus exceeding FIFA’s minimum requirement. Nine of the 21 stadiums would be renovated, five would be constructed, and seven are built with no further renovation indicated. A stadium construction and renovation budget of almost USD 2 billion has been projected.
In terms of football development, the joint bid presents many ideas which could form the basis for further development programmes. Spanish and Portuguese football is respected worldwide and its teams have recorded various successes at club and international level. In terms of their experience of hosting major international sports events in the last 20 years, Spain hosted the 1992 Summer Olympic Games in Barcelona, while Portugal hosted UEFA EURO 2004. Spain was also the host country of the 1982 FIFA World Cup™.

The Bidder has contracted the required number of venue-specific team hotels (VSTHs) but has not contracted the required number of venue-specific training sites (VSTSs). It has contracted the required number of team base camp (TBC) hotels and training sites. FIFA’s team facility requirements could potentially be met, although a complete inventory of contracted training sites is required.

In terms of accommodation, 85,000 rooms have already been contracted, thus exceeding FIFA’s minimum requirement of 60,000. However, it should be noted that this figure includes up to 15,000 rooms contracted well outside the candidate Host Cities and that 40% of the 85,000 contracted rooms are concentrated in two cities, Barcelona and Madrid. The Bidder has submitted a suitable proposal for the FIFA headquarters.

In terms of transport, Spain and Portugal can count on three main international airports (Madrid, Barcelona and Lisbon) spread across the peninsula, as well as the AVE train network, which is planned to be one of the most highly developed high-speed train networks in the world upon its completion in 2012. In some cases, however, city transport infrastructure requires attention.

Regarding information and communications technology (ICT), insufficient details are provided in the Bid Book to allow proper evaluation of the overall solution.
Based on the Bid Book, a clear operational concept has not been specified for safety and security, however international standards for major events are likely to be met. International standards for health and medical services are also likely to be met.

The Bidder has submitted its concepts for sustainable social and human development and environmental protection initiatives

Regarding the competition-related event venues submitted by the Bidder, some operational areas such as accommodation and transport require further clarification.

Marketing, media and communication matters have also been addressed. The information provided in the Bid Book suggests that the sport and football sponsorship markets in Spain and Portugal are developed. In terms of TV rights, should the FIFA World Cup™ be hosted in Europe, the TV ratings in Europe and the European media rights income are likely to be secured.

The Bidder has submitted an expenditure budget of USD 675.6 million (current) for a FIFA Confederations Cup and FIFA World Cup™ in either 2017 and 2018 or 2021 and 2022. The budget format deviates slightly from the format required and limited supporting information has been provided. A projection of approximately 3,674,000 sellable tickets has been made.

If Spain & Portugal are awarded the hosting rights, FIFA’s legal risk appears to be low. The requirements for contractual documents have been met. The necessary government support has been secured with minor steps to be taken to ensure full compliance with the FIFA requirements. The Portuguese Government has recent experience in supporting the hosting and staging of a major sports event and has proven its willingness to make material concessions and accommodate the concerns of event organisers.
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FIFA Executive Summary: Holland and Belgium



Together for Great Goals

The Holland & Belgium bid’s co-hosting concept highlights the opportunity to bring countries and people together through sport and addresses environmental matters. The bid is supported by the national and local football authorities, the local city governments (by virtue of duly executed Host City Agreements) and the stadium authorities (by virtue of duly executed Stadium Agreements).

It should be noted that a co-hosting concept could pose challenges regarding the joint operational delivery of the FIFA World Cup™ in terms of ensuring consistent standards and implementation in various areas such as legal, IT, frequencies, safety and security. Therefore, in order to provide a more complete basis for evaluation of the co-hosting concept, further key operational details would be required, especially in view of the administrative, logistical and financial challenges of co-hosting a FIFA World Cup™.

The joint bid proposes 12 Host Cities and 14 stadiums, thus exceeding FIFA’s minimum requirement. Six of the 14 stadiums already exist and would be renovated, seven would be built, and one is ready for use. A stadium construction and renovation budget of approximately USD 2.43 billion has been projected.

In terms of football development, the Bidder has submitted a plan to establish a “World Coaches” programme which ties in with the Football for Hope movement. Through the initiative, over 6,042 coaches would be trained and ten specialised academies would be established worldwide by 2018. In addition, other
development activities are covered, such as the building of “Open Football Clubs”. Both Belgium and the Netherlands have recorded various successes at club and international level. They also have experience of hosting a major international football event in the last 20 years, having co-hosted UEFA EURO 2000.

The Bidder has not contracted the required number of venue-specific training sites (VSTS) or venue-specific team hotels (VSTH). It has also not contracted the required number of team base camp (TBC) training sites. FIFA’s team facility requirements could potentially be met, but the information provided was not sufficiently complete to enable a full evaluation. In terms of accommodation, 28,000 rooms have already been contracted, thus falling short of FIFA’s minimum requirement of 60,000. Accordingly, there is a risk of excessive prices and non-negotiable conditions. However, some gaps in accommodation could potentially be compensated through the central geographic location of Belgium and the Netherlands and their efficient transportation systems. As for the FIFA headquarters, it should be noted that the proposed hotels are not situated in the candidate Host Cities for the opening match and final. Furthermore, the rate for a standard room in both proposed hotels is high and should be reviewed.

The Netherlands and Belgium have well developed transport infrastructures, with extensive road and rail networks and access to international airports at home and in neighbouring countries. The traffic-reduction measures proposed are essential to increase capacity and facilitate event transport operations during peak times.

The countries also have strong information and communications technology (ICT) infrastructures, and it appears as though FIFA’s requirements would be met. International standards for major event safety and security and for health and medical services are likely to be met.
The Bidder has submitted its concepts for sustainable social and human development and environmental protection initiatives.

The Bidder has also submitted its proposals for the competition-related event venues. Marketing, media and communication matters have also been addressed. The information provided in the Bid Book suggests that the major event and football sponsorship market in Belgium and the Netherlands is developed. However, the Government Guarantee No. 6 (Protection and Exploitation of Commercial Rights) submitted by both countries contains no guarantees, undertakings or confirmations with legal effect beyond existing laws, and important aspects are superseded by Government Guarantee No. 8 (Legal Issues and Indemnification). On this basis, FIFA’s rights protection programme cannot be ensured in either country. Belgium’s listed-event legislation adversely affects the free exploitation of media rights in Belgium and would have to be reviewed. Should the FIFA World Cup™ be hosted in Europe, the TV ratings in Europe and the European media rights income are likely to be secured.

The Bidder has submitted expenditure budgets of USD 541.6 million (current) for a FIFA Confederations Cup and FIFA World Cup™ in 2017 and 2018 and USD 552.8 million (current) for the same events in 2021 and 2022. The budgets have been submitted in the format required with limited supporting information. A projection of approximately 3,304,000 sellable tickets has been made.

If Holland & Belgium are awarded the hosting rights, FIFA’s legal risk appears to be medium. Whilst the requirements for contractual documents have been largely met, the necessary government support has not been secured as neither the Government Guarantees nor the Government Declaration have been provided in compliance with FIFA’s requirements for government documents. Nevertheless, the governments of both countries have experience in supporting the hosting and staging of a major sports event and have proven their willingness to make material concessions and accommodate the concerns of event organisers.
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i guess that is Iberia will win.
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What part of European do you fail to understand waqif?
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Old November 19th, 2010, 08:12 PM   #519
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I think this pretty much sums up the unprecedented naivity displayed by Qatari who have no clue whatsoever.
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Can a mod please lock these 2022 threads? I propose a 4-5 year future projects maximum.......
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