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Old November 21st, 2010, 04:24 PM   #601
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1. Подписание данного Меморандума всеми заинтересованными сторонами, включая лиги, клубы и объединения болельщиков, и создание рабочей группы по разработке Программы с их участием (ноябрь-декабрь 2010 г.)

2. Разработка коммуникационной стратегии (ноябрь-декабрь 2010 г.)

3. Реализация информационно-рекламной кампании (2011-2015 гг.)

4. Реализация Проекта, направленного на формирование уважительного отношения к носителям национальных культур, проживающим на территории Российской Федерации, через российский футбол (декабрь 2010 – ноябрь 2011 гг.)

5. Разработка и внедрение регламентов (январь-март 2011 г.)

6. Разработка "Руководства по противодействию дискриминации" для всех заинтересованных сторон (апрель 2011 г.)

7. Запуск веб-портала "Расизм в офсайде" (июнь 2011 г.)
This is a "Memorandum against racism", which was signed by Russian Football Union at 21 October.

1. The signing of Memorandum by all leagues, clubs and fan clubs, and creation of a working group to develop a program with their participation (November-December 2010)
2. Development of strategy (November-December 2010)
3. Realisation of information campaign (2011-2015)
4. Project to improve respect for the national cultures on the territory of Russia, through a Russian football (December 2010 - November 2011).
5. Developing and implementing of regulations (January-March 2011)
6. Development of "Guide of anti-discrimination" (April 2011)
7. Starting a Web portal "Racism in offside" (June 2011)

So strategy will be completed in December. I think it will be a part of Bid presentation in Zurich.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 04:27 PM   #602
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I know, but Podolsk came out from the bid. 4th stadium in Moscow region (3 in Moscow) will be near MKAD on the south.
According to the rules of FIFA in the same city can't be more than two stadiums. Therefore, only two stadiums in Moscow and one arena in Podolsk.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 04:30 PM   #603
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According to the rules of FIFA in the same city can't be more than two stadiums. Therefore, only two stadiums in Moscow and one arena in Podolsk.
Read again, please. Podolsk stadium was replaced by stadium near MKAD (on the outside). And yes, this is 4th stadium in Moscow region, no problem with it.

The schedule has Podolsk inside. Probably because it's a fake schedule, or if it's true it just was written before Podolsk stadium was replaced.
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Bear in mind labytnangi that the stadiums proposed at this stage are like a 'shortlist'. London is putting forward 3 or 4 possible stadiums, but if England wins it's likely FIFA and the organising committee will choose two. The bid books essentially lay out the options for FIFA, rather than necessarily providing a blueprint for exactly which stadiums the tournament will be played in.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 05:07 PM   #605
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There is 40km between center of Moscow and center of Podolsk. Of course it's a nearest suburb of Moscow, but when when it comes to british/qatar scale - that's pretty much a lot. It's like between Liverpool and Manchester, or between Leeds and Manchester, or between Birmingham and Nottingham, or Manchester and Sheffield.

There are 6 stadiums within 100km radius from Manchester. So why bashing (not you, but most of british and australian bid supporters here) Moscow and Qatar on this?
Qatar has 10 venues within 30km. Using suburbs declared to be host cities.

Very different to Podolsk or Mancester.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 05:48 PM   #606
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There is 40km between center of Moscow and center of Podolsk. Of course it's a nearest suburb of Moscow, but when when it comes to british/qatar scale - that's pretty much a lot. It's like between Liverpool and Manchester, or between Leeds and Manchester, or between Birmingham and Nottingham, or Manchester and Sheffield.

There are 6 stadiums within 100km radius from Manchester. So why bashing (not you, but most of british and australian bid supporters here) Moscow and Qatar on this?
it is maneuvers of media and newspapers and cant effect any bid we saw last weeks there many attacks from newspapers against attempts such as Spain, Qatar & Russia it is not about reports or ability they just to distortion their rivals which failed completely.

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Nobody has bashed Moscow as far as I'm aware.

But whilst England is a small country it is proposing multiple cities each with their own transport hubs, logistical operations, venues etc. Each hosts tens of thousands of fans every week, proven Premier League grounds with no question marks over capability

Qatar's bid is on another scale of compactness altogether, to the point where it becomes detrminental, and becuase few of the stadiums exist, there is an element of the unknown.

And that's not "bashing"; FIFA themselves in their technical report have raised question marks over the logistics of Qatar's ultra-compact bid. Dependence on a single airport, simply not enough training facilities in the city and those planned are criticised ("teams should be provided with more than one pitch"), transport not in place at this time, "playing up to four matches within a 30km radius in one day could present operational risks", segregation and ticketing would be under immense pressure, more than half of the accommodation is yet to be built etc

The comparison simply doesn't hold true.
there no need for additional airports since Qatar now building large new airport will be opened in next 18 december 2011 and it is capacity 50 millions if was there any need for more capacity than 50 millions Qatar will going keep the current airport.

plus Qatar is now building causeway linking between Qatar & Bahrain and it is the longest world causeway 45km with fast train in middle so people can travel from Bahrain or Bahrain Internation Airport to Doha in only 30 minutes.





Also Qatar will build Metro & Railways system linking Qatar cities and Qatar with it is Gulf countries neighbors.






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Qatar has 10 venues within 30km. Using suburbs declared to be host cities.

Very different to Podolsk or Mancester.
Right very different and unique it is a compact world cup with infrastructure worth more than 100 billion dollar that why their logo expect amazing becouse what they doing is realy unique and we never saw in any worldcup bid before.

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Old November 21st, 2010, 06:13 PM   #607
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Qatar has 10 venues within 30km. Using suburbs declared to be host cities.

Very different to Podolsk or Mancester.
60 km.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 06:26 PM   #608
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Also Qatar will build Metro & Railways system linking Qatar cities and Qatar with it is Gulf countries neighbors..
Unless they avoid Saudi Arabia, they'll be useless to non-muslims.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 08:38 PM   #609
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60 km.
Still, it's not really something to be proud of, it's like hosting a world cup in Kent, it just won't work, even if you include London.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 08:42 PM   #610
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Unless they avoid Saudi Arabia, they'll be useless to non-muslims.
This is so naive , I bet it was posted to make some problems

First of all we are soon to have the region in a similar state to the EU, YES THE EU ! We will have:
1) common GCC Tourist visa.
2) common currency.

This means everything for fans became much easier, you can land in any airport in the region (Dubai X2, Abudhabi, Doha, Manama, Dammam) with one of them being the world's largest airport (Dubai World Central AKA Al-Maktoum Global Airport), then simply take a train to Doha, in the end take a metro to your destination (Stadium, hotel etc).

Such moves makes it much easier for travelling fans to have flexible choices, not to mention the availability of buses, taxis and rented cars.

Second, The building of the worlds longest causeway, linking Qatar to the Kingdom of Bahrain (Road & Rail) also offers fans more choices, if by any chance the accommodation is insufficient or inadequate (although it surpasses FIFA requirements). SO Bahrain is a great alternative when it comes to accommodation, it is also an alternative to entertainment and such, you could go have fun and come back the same day without any stress.
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Second, The building of the worlds longest causeway, linking Qatar to the Kingdom of Bahrain (Road & Rail) also offers fans more choices, if by any chance the accommodation is insufficient or inadequate (although it surpasses FIFA requirements). SO Bahrain is a great alternative when it comes to accommodation, it is also an alternative to entertainment and such, you could go have fun and come back the same day without any stress.
well even Bahrain been mentioned in Qatar bid Book as another gate but it is still clear to everyone Qatar is offering a compact world cup and they not offering joint bid.
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im cheering for portugal and spain! =)
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 01:11 AM   #613
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60 km.
No-its 25-30kms as originally posted.
The 11th and 12th venues make it 60kms.
Once the hosting decision is made and if Qatar were successful we could/probably would see these other 2 towns dropped from the bid leaving all 10 stadiums in Doha and its suburbs

I commend Qatar for its ambition but they can't possibly meet the critical requirements for such a massive event that demands far more space and diversity.They have taken the bid as physically far as the imagination will stretch and still its a stretch.
I know its very hard for these people because they are in such a hurry to do things but the world will make them wait for a further Asian edition in a joint bid,where it will actually abate many of the existing concerns
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Russia rests 2018 World Cup bid on belief that big and bold is best

Incorporating 16 stadiums in 13 cities, Russia's plans for the next but one World Cup are nothing if not ambitious

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/b...018-russia-bid

Russia has spent the past 22 months selling Fifa an audacious vision that is appropriately expansive for a World Cup bid that stretches over 1,500 miles from Kaliningrad on the Polish border in the west to Yekaterinburg beyond the Urals in the east. It is one its supporters claim will open vast new markets, hugely grow the popularity of football in Russia and beyond and leave a lasting legacy of gleaming new stadiums, a new transport network and upgraded infrastructure.

Comparing Russia's bid for the 2018 World Cup with England's is an exercise in contrasts. England highlights its compact nature, its existing iconic stadiums, the huge popularity of its football at home and abroad, the potential to deliver record profits for Fifa and its pitch to deliver a legacy for football around the world. Russia's bid is all about jaw-dropping scale, the potential for growth and talk of what the World Cup could do to showcase "the new Russia", as well as increasingly vocal reminders that it has never hosted the competition.

Its bid proposes 16 stadiums, 14 of them newly built or significantly refurbished, in 13 host cities that are grouped into four clusters and linked by free overland travel. The Russians are promising to spend $6bn (£3.8bn) on football infrastructure alone and many times that on upgrading transport networks, accommodation and city centres, all underwritten by government guarantees. The bid's chief executive, Alexei Sorokin, has been keen to highlight the private investment as well as the public, and oligarchs including Roman Abramovich have been pressed into service.

At every turn Russia has sought to emphasise the potential prize rather than the current practicalities in an attempt to push Fifa's buttons. "England could host the World Cup tomorrow. But we have a vision and Fifa has a philosophy that is about trying to grow in new parts of the world. Football is already very popular in England. We hope that football can be as popular in Russia as it is in England," Vitaly Mutko, the bid chairman and Russian sports minister, told the Guardian this month. "We have a vision and Fifa has a philosophy that is about trying to grow in new parts of the world," Vitaly Mutko, the bid's chairman and Russia's sports minister, told the Guardian. Russian domestic matches are often played in front of half-empty stands but its bid leaders claim that, too, as a positive rather than a negative – arguing that it shows there is room for growth.

Vladimir Putin, who was credited with playing a key role in delivering the 2014 Winter Olympics for Sochi, is likely to spearhead the final few days of lobbying. Indeed the presence of Russia's prime minister will be a reliable barometer as to his country's chances – the former president is unlikely to travel if he does not feel the bid will win.

The technical reports published last week by Fifa highlighted logistical concerns, particularly around transport, where its air travel plans were labelled "high risk". "The country's vastness and geographic location, coupled with the fact that the high-speed railway network is limited and would only link six candidate host cities by 2018, imply a dependence on air travel, potentially causing domestic and international transfer challenges in view of the lack of alternative means of long-distance transport," it said. But Russia believes it can allay those concerns, highlighting the billions being poured into upgrading airports and transport networks. It has also tried to turn its vast size into a positive, talking of its 18 neighbouring countries, its ability to link east and west and the possibility of opening up the Asian market.

The phoney war that raged for months between England and Russia masked a serious purpose as each sought to undermine the other. Dark rumours that Russia was somehow involved with the sting that led to the resignation of Lord Triesman in May as chairman of the England bid were furiously denied by Sorokin, who at the same time accused his rivals of stoking up an unfair furore around racism and hooliganism in Russian football.

Allegations of racism, which came to be symbolised by a banner directed at the striker Peter Odemwingie, now at West Bromwich Albion, by fans of his former club Lokomotiv Moscow, and sporadic outbreaks of violent hooliganism have left the Russian bid sensitive to criticism. Here, too, they claim Russia is misunderstood and that the World Cup could help break down barriers. "We are diverse, yet inclusive. We are multicultural, yet unified," declares its bid literature.

The war of words burst into real acrimony when England complained to Fifa last month over Sorokin's reported comments on London's problems with crime and alcohol, but the episode will have little effect on voting intentions.

Like its rivals, Russia has assiduously courted the members of the executive committee. The resources behind the bid have led to the usual whispers of impropriety, all vigorously denied. Russia appears to have beaten England to the three votes on offer from Africa. Other influential supporters include Franz Beckenbauer and Sepp Blatter himself, which could prove crucial in the latter rounds of voting - for all that the president's influence over his fellow executive committee members is sometimes overstated.

The Fifa president, motivated by the twin concerns of his re-election drive and his place in history, strongly hinted earlier this year that, having taken the World Cup to Africa for the first time, he liked the idea of delivering the first major football tournament in Russia.

"The easiest way to organise the World Cup is to go to England. Everything is there: fans, stadiums, infrastructure – it's easy. But you cannot deny Russia if they bid for something," he said. "They are more than a country, they are a big continent, a big power."

Throughout the course of the year there has been a growing confidence among Russia's bid team as they imperceptibly assumed the mantle of favourites. If the abiding memory of the bidding expo in Cape Town this time last year was Sorokin glowering as he was ignored while delegates thronged around David Beckham and Luís Figo, by the time of the Fifa executive commitee meetings in Zurich last month he was all smiles.

But for all Russia's confidence, rivals believe there are signs they are beatable. Some question whether the billions being pledged to underwrite the World Cup bid would not be better invested in frontline services for Russia's population, where 15% still live below the poverty line. Others might ponder the contradictions inherent in the fact that the same country that promises a huge Fifa Fan Fest in Red Square is under fire from human rights organisations for clamping down on the right to free protest; and that, while England's media have had a negative impact on its chances, the fact that Russia remains one of the most dangerous countries in which to work as a journalist is overlooked.

Those questions are unlikely to detain the 22 individuals with a vote. Fifa maintains a strict line between the sporting and the political and refuses to make value judgments. As long as the host agrees to its demands around visas, tax exemption and so on, it is happy.

The stakes for those leading the Russian bid are high. Mutko came under severe pressure in the wake of a disappointing showing by Russia at the Winter Olympics in Vancouver earlier this year in a range of sports where pre-eminence was once taken for granted. Then he was hammered by an audit commission report that memorably alleged he had claimed for 97 breakfasts during his 20-day stay in Canada and spent $1,499 a night on his hotel room.

Mutko denied the allegations and all would be forgotten if he delivered the World Cup. Sorokin, a former diplomat in Washington who oversaw preparations for the 2008 Champions League final in Moscow, is also under pressure. That was a night that highlighted the fine margins between winning and losing. All the indications are that next week's vote will be just as close.
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Exclusive: Putin set to complete full set of Prime Ministers for World Cup vote:

http://www.insideworldfootball.biz/w...world-cup-vote

November 23 - Russia's Government are making final plans for Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to travel to Zurich next week to support the country's bid to host the 2018 World Cup - putting an end to doubts over whether he would make the trip.

Russian 2018 officials have confirmed to insideworldfootball that Putin will fly to Switzerland in his private jet to lobby FIFA Executive Committee members and convince them to award the tournament to Russia for the first time in its history.

"He has been a big supporter of the bid since it was launched," a source close to the bid told insideworldfootball here at Soccerex, where several countries are undertaking last month campaigning.

"He has worked hard speaking to ExCo members and believes that he should be there at the end to support the bid."

Russia are considered the favourites to be awarded the tournament but claims by Spain and Portugal that they have already secured up to eight votes demonstrates that there still remains work to be done before they can relax.

Russia will be hoping that Putin can reprise his performance in Guatemala City three years ago when he swept in and, against the odds, persuaded the International Olympic Committee (IOC) to award Sochi the 2014 Winter Olympics and Paralympics.

On that occasion he surprised many by delivering his speech in English and may well repeat that tactic in Zurich.

It was Tony Blair who demonstrated the power that country's leaders have in helping win major bids when he travelled to Singapore in 2005 to back London's successful campaign to host the 2012 Olympics and Paralympics.

Blair's predecessor as Prime Minister, David Cameron, has already committed to travelling to Zurich.

He and Putin will also be joined by the Prime Ministers of the four countries involved in joint bids, Belgium and Holland and Spain and Portugal.

SORRY, BRITS, BUT cameron IS NOT CONCURENT FOR PUTIN!

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Please, open RUSSIA - FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022 bid thread!
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I would prefer England for 2018. I don't want the criminals of the FIFA in the Netherlands. And England has the best football culture.
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It feels like Russia-2018 and Australia-2022.
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Old November 24th, 2010, 06:08 PM   #620
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Please, open RUSSIA - FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022 bid thread!
I'm sured that this thread planned to be opened only after final voting.

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