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Belgium & Netherlands 85 13.73%
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Old November 28th, 2010, 02:43 PM   #661
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"As well as Angel Maria Villar-Llona’s vote, Spain-Portugal are likely to bring the three CONMEBOL members to the table as well.

On Wednesday, Conmebol general secretary Eduardo Deluca confirmed that their three votes would go to the Iberian bid."

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Old November 28th, 2010, 03:06 PM   #662
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"As well as Angel Maria Villar-Llona’s vote, Spain-Portugal are likely to bring the three CONMEBOL members to the table as well.

On Wednesday, Conmebol general secretary Eduardo Deluca confirmed that their three votes would go to the Iberian bid."

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We all know that that sort of thing goes on.

But it is a shame that he admits that the best bid won't necessarily win - purely because of politics.

If FIFA could only do their job properly, free from politics, the best bid would ALWAYS win. Sadly, however, the world has to make do with whatever the 22 FIFA delegates foist upon it.
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Old November 28th, 2010, 03:32 PM   #663
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We all know that that sort of thing goes on.

But it is a shame that he admits that the best bid won't necessarily win - purely because of politics.

If FIFA could only do their job properly, free from politics, the best bid would ALWAYS win. Sadly, however, the world has to make do with whatever the 22 FIFA delegates foist upon it.
Personally I would like to "see" BeNe or Russia host 2018
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Old November 28th, 2010, 03:36 PM   #664
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"Best" is such a subjective word though. Who's to say England's bid is "better" than Russia's, for example? Safer and lower-risk, certainly, but "better"?

In a clean voting process the "best" bid always wins. It's as simple as that.

The ideal scenario is a technically objective evaluation report (which I believe we have, despite everything), followed by a vote free of politics and corruption (which, given FIFA's record, is pretty unlikely). If Russia wins because lots of members are enticed by the prospect of waking a sleeping giant and welcoming a new country to the fold, that's fair enough. If Russia or any other country wins because of collusion or money changing hands then something has gone wrong.

I believe enough has gone wrong so far for this vote to be tainted - which is unfair on the eventual victor but inevitable. Lack of transparency unless pressure is put on in publishing firstly the rules and secondly the evalaution reports, suspension of members, nobody knowing A FEW DAYS OUT whether we've got 22 or 23 voting members, rumours of collusion and from what I've read a wholly inadequate investigation into the rumours, FIFA members showing their unwillingness to seperate a nation's press from its bid, bids fearing using official channels of complaint when they believe they have cause to, at least three members who've been involved in serious financial scanals still in the ExCo because they support Blatter (Warner, Valke and Leoz), the stupidity of running two bidding contests in tandem and expecting the bids to not be tempted to swap votes etc etc etc

It's been a shoddy process and that'll be true whether England is victorious or not. I read in one opinion piece today that failing to woo FIFA's ExCo members is like being upset because you've failed to be picked out in a police line up. There's a lot of truth in that. The trouble is, the prize is so great the bids put up with FIFA's dirty politics and even go as far as to wine and dine scum like Warner.

Whoever wins will deserve their victory unless it's proven they used underhand methods. They will be proud hosts of the world cup. But equally, whoever wins will have the knowledge that they were victorious in the most dirty, opaque, and badly-run bidding race in many years. And sadly, unlike their unlucky rivals, they will feel unable to complain about the process because they'll be so far in bed with FIFA by that point.

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Old November 28th, 2010, 07:41 PM   #665
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Whoever wins will deserve their victory unless it's proven they used underhand methods. They will be proud hosts of the world cup. But equally, whoever wins will have the knowledge that they were victorious in the most dirty, opaque, and badly-run bidding race in many years. And sadly, unlike their unlucky rivals, they will feel unable to complain about the process because they'll be so far in bed with FIFA by that point.
I think that in any case after 10 or 20 years people will forget all those scandal stories. But the name of WC2018 holders will remain in the history.
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Old November 28th, 2010, 07:45 PM   #666
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True, but that's hardly the point is it? I don't know about you, but I'd rather like to see a complete clean-up at FIFA and a complete rethink about how they carry out their business. The current model hasn't been fair on any of the bids, and some of the people deciding the fate of our bids shouldn't even be in positions of power at FIFA given their pasts.

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Old November 28th, 2010, 09:49 PM   #667
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Personally I would like to "see" BeNe or Russia host 2018
I think Russia and BeNe would both host excellent World Cups.

As would England.

Spain / Portugal likewise - but I have a problem with the structure of their bid. It is a blatant attempt by the Spanish to host another World Cup ahead of their turn. There will only have been three World Cups in Europe since they last hosted.

It would be okay, I suppose, if Portugal was an equal partner in the bid. But it is clearly the junior partner and will only provide three of the stadiums. It's all a bit cynical, IMO. Spain is perfectly capable of hosting a World Cup on its own.

So for that reason, I hope that one of England, Russia and BeNe win (with an obvious preference for England!).
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Old November 29th, 2010, 02:46 PM   #668
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Peter Odemwingie backs England and Russia Cup bids

Albion striker Peter Odemwingie today claimed both England and Russia have strong cases to win the 2018 World Cup race as the FIFA vote looms.

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Football’s world governing body will vote on Thursday to decide the hosts for the 2018 tournament with England and Russia both in the running, although the joint-bid from Spain and Portugal has emerged as the new favourite.

Odemwingie was brought up in Russia and remains fond of his mother’s homeland despite problems with racist abuse during to career with Lokomotiv Moscow.

But he has quickly fallen in love with English football since his move to the Baggies and has an open mind over the countries’ merits.

The Nigeria international believes the passion of English fans is the main weapon in the bid team’s arsenal.

He said: “England is England and they don’t need any publicity because everybody knows it’s one of the best places in the world to play because of the way people love football here.

“They have all the facilities and the atmosphere, the mutual respect that teams and supporters have for each other.

“It shows the level of society and it’s obvious that it’s one of the best places to play football.

“But if the World Cup is here it would be a big thing and every player who never played in the Premier League or English stadia would only be positive if he heard the World Cup was being held in England.

“What I have found is that the atmosphere does add something to my performance because at the end of the games I feel I am not that tired as I might have been before.

“The tempo is high but you get carried away with the fast football and sometimes you don’t feel as fatigued as you used to.

“The reaction from the public for every action gives you some kind of energy.

“It is hard work but when you are having fun and enjoying yourself it makes the difference.”

However, Odemwingie has a soft spot for Russia, where he spent much of his childhood, despite his clash with the Lokomotiv fans.

And he believes staging a World Cup could do wonders for the country.


“There was never a World Cup in South Africa and that went well and I am not here to say anything against Russia,” he said.

“It is a difficult question for me and maybe there will be regrets if Russia don’t get it because maybe it is something they really need if we are talking about the world progressing.

“If we want things to change in Russia maybe they need the World Cup so I cannot really say anything.

“I just have to look on because there are people deciding on it who have much more information than me.

“Just because I had a few issues I am not going to condemn that bid.

“I am just one person and you have a whole federation, FIFA, and lots of politics that will decide it.

“They are definitely more informed than we are so I can’t say too much more.”
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Old November 29th, 2010, 05:11 PM   #669
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Just because I had a few issues I am not going to condemn that bid.
Sounds like a sensible chap. One incident obviously shouldn't overshadow a whole bid.

It's just a shame the Russian football administrators failed to recognise the issue as a problem when it happened, and continually deny the intention of the banner. But no point going over old ground.

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Old November 29th, 2010, 05:20 PM   #670
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Beckham's thumbs up for World Cup bid

David Beckham has given a thumbs up to England's chances of staging the 2018 World Cup, as he visited the London 2012 Olympic Stadium for the first time.

He said he was "confident" but not taking it for granted that England could win this week's crunch vote in Zurich. Standing in the stadium was a "very proud" moment, not just because he was an east London-born lad but also because he could tell it would be a "beautiful stadium" to play football in after 2012.

"I think that maybe my sons have got a better chance than me (of playing in the Olympic Stadium) considering my age but as a stadium it is somewhere I would love to play in because you can see the atmosphere here already is great and there is no one in it, " he said.

"This is the first time I have been in the stadium area and been able to see the development of the stadium. When you drive up to it - it has obviously got that awe about it. It is a very proud moment, not just for myself but also for East End people, to be able to see the make over of the area."

Beckham played a key ambassadorial role in securing London for the Olympics in Singapore in 2005 and was involved in the Beijing 2008 closing ceremony as the Chinese capital passed the Olympic flame on to London. After his brief stopover in Stratford, east London, Beckham is now off to try and see if he can help edge the 2018 World Cup bid to victory.

He said: "Hopefully I will make a difference. There are many people, like Prince William, who have been involved and working hard for the bid and to get it to this final point. We are going to Fifa and a lot of delegates because we need to tell those people about why we feel it is the right thing for us to get the World Cup.

"I feel that at the end of the day it is down to what the bid team have done. England have a history and tradition (in football) and it is about the benefits that can be generated by having the World Cup in England."

Seeing the World Cup being played in England, like having the 2012 Games staged on home turf, would be a dream come true, according to Beckham. He said: "Obviously it is something that people have worked hard for and quite a long time, and now it is up to the next few days. We are confident that we have put in the best bid that we can do."

A strong united front highlighting the wealth of support for the bid is to be shown. Beckham expects to take part in a few events and meet people ahead of the decision, but he added: "But it is just the importance of us being there and the team being there. It is very important now to just stay positive and just hope for the best because really we have put the best bid in that we can do.

"The point that we have always hammered home is that we have always believed we can put on the best World Cup and that we can work as a team. We always believe the best about England and football but we are not over-confident. We believe we can host the World Cup best but we just need to let everybody know that we are ready for it. It is important for many generations of people, not just in our country but all over the world."
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Old November 30th, 2010, 12:51 AM   #671
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Personally, I'd like to see England win, obviously, but I'd be perfectly fine if Russia or BeNe won, not too sure about Spain/Portugal though. If one of the other bids wins fair and square and all bids are given an equal chance, then even if we lose, I'll be happy, it's if we lose unfairly which I won't like.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 01:24 AM   #672
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As much as I would love the World Cup to come to England, I seriously hope England do not win. I wouldn't want the British Government to deal with these people until FIFA actually addresses the allegations of corruption.

I hope everyone outside the UK gets to view the BBC Panorama programme from tonight. I makes horrible watching for FIFA. Thank God for the BBC, a truely indepenent institution, not afraid to show such a damning documentary 2 days before the vote.

I hope the BBC and The Times keep up their campaign agaisnt FIFA until a transparent organisation emerges, with or without England2018.
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Russia's national team captain Andrei Arshavin is convinced that there is only one place for the FIFA World Cup to be in 2018 - Russia

"I am a football player. I just love this game, which has given me so much ever since I first kicked a ball. I cannot remember the exact moment or place but I do feel that it has determined the course of my life.

It is football all day for me: I eat, sleep and breathe the game, so to speak. For me, days are not measured by hours but rather by 90 minutes periods.

My interest and commitment to the game extends off the pitch as well, which is why I have gladly accepted the role of bid ambassador for Russia 2018. As the captain of the Russian national team, it is my duty to support the development of football throughout my country.

So, why Russia?

A simple fact first: We have never had a World Cup. Hosting it here would open up new minds and new hearts for the game. It would be a completely new chapter for the FIFA World Cup itself.

Secondly, it would galvanize our game at every level. For me as a footballer, the grass-roots game, coaching and education, training opportunities and of course stadiums, play a pivotal role in the sport.

Russia is a huge country, the biggest on earth. Everything is extra-large, including the organization of the game, which, by the way is the number 1 sport in our country. With the support of the government, 1 billion US dollars will be invested into grassroots and football development by 2015, as well as into football for women, beach soccer and programmes for handicapped players.

We are building pitches, football centres, schools and training sites in the most remote areas of our country, growing the game and providing opportunities for the next generations. We are training coaches and other specialists, and working hard to modernise the infrastructure of our top leagues.

Last but not least we are building stadiums fit for the biggest competition on earth. It has been said that a huge effort is being needed. It is already underway, as can be seen in my native Saint Petersburg with the new stadium that will be finished by late 2012, or in Kazan, Sochi and elsewhere. Nine out of the 16 stadiums we propose in our bid exist, are under renovation or in the process of being built. All of them come with natural turf and offer fans arenas with a perfect balance between the historic and iconic, the new and state-of-the-art, giving the game the dimension it deserves.

As a player, I cannot be without the fans. In this respect, England certainly has a unique tradition and passion, which I relish in every game I play for Arsenal.

Russian fans are equally as passionate and there was a huge wave of enthusiasm that swept through Russia when we did so well at the 2008 EURO in Austria and Switzerland. They, the fans, never let their team down and they suffer with us players as if they were on the pitch as well.

Recently, they have come under scrutiny for their behaviour and attitude. Yes, there have been excesses, but we must also understand that the history of our fans' clubs is not that long. As Russia is opening up, with also many foreign players joining our local clubs, all of us are learning. Working towards best practices, the Russian Football Union has integrated fan representatives into the organisation, giving fans a voice. The RFU have increased their efforts to combat racism and intolerance and I am sure that this will provide positive results.

I am convinced that especially for the fans, a World Cup in Russia would be a tremendous experience. It is fascinating how my foreign friends react when they come and visit me in Russia. They are absolutely taken aback by the atmosphere in Moscow and other cities, the life in the streets, the Russian hospitality, by the cultural heritage.

Russia is a world in one country: a land of incomparable natural diversity, home to 143 million people, representing 180 different nationalities. Russia is a continent bordered by 18 neighbouring countries.

In 2018, fans will enjoy free rides on the high-speed trains that are being built between the host cities or on public transport that will take them to the stadiums and fan fests. They will find suitable hotels to stay and they will be able to enjoy the White Nights in June, in Saint Petersburg, when an almost Mediterranean atmosphere will pervade.

And they will be in the stadiums or watch the games in the Fan Fest Zones. Red Square in Moscow, Palace Square in Saint Petersburg, in the shadow of the Kremlin in Kazan and other picturesque locations are beckoning for an unforgettable experience.

All of this will enhance and increase the positive effects to the country and region beyond just the tournament. The legacy of a FIFA World Cup in Russia is simply mind-boggling. Our bid is about more than new stadia, roads and hotels. Russia 2018 will leave a "human legacy" of new skills and experiences for the coming generations, both in football and society as a whole.

There is a "new Russia" in the making. Twenty years after the former Soviet Union ceased to exist we are in the process of shaping a new country and its new and future generations.

With the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Russia we are ready to inspire.
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3 scenarios.

all of bids have around same number of votes 7-9.

1. Spain takes out first.
Then Russia gets Latin votes and wins.

2. England takes out first.
Then Spain gets most of British votes and wins.

3. Russia takes out first.
Then Spain gets most of Russian votes and wins.
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2. England takes out first.
Then Spain gets most of British votes and wins.
I can't see England voting for Spain/Portugal the vote rigging *#$#$. I'm pretty sure Russia or if the Netherlands/Belgium bid is still in then they will get the votes. It will not go to Spain/Portugal.
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that's why 'most', not 'all'
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3 scenarios.

all of bids have around same number of votes 7-9.

1. Spain takes out first.
Then Russia gets Latin votes and wins.

2. England takes out first.
Then Spain gets most of British votes and wins.

3. Russia takes out first.
Then Spain gets most of Russian votes and wins.
I don't understand how anyone can predict who will benefit from secondary votes. It's hard enough to predict all the primary votes.
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I don't think that Arshavin who play in English club, is good variant to be ambassador of Russian bid.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 01:40 PM   #679
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I think he's about as good an ambassador as you can find to be honest. It's always good to get players playing in your rival's countries to speak out in favour of your bid. It shows that, despite playing in another country, their heart is still with their homeland.

I remember in the race to host the 2012 Olympics you had Beckham supporting London 2012, Zidane supporting Paris 2012, and Real Madrid as a club supporting Madrid 2012. Very bizarre.
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The worst news for today!
Putin won't be in Zurich 02/12/2010...

http://www.gzt.ru/topnews/sport/-ros...onbigfromindex
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