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View Poll Results: What European bid should be selected as host?
England 217 35.06%
Portugal & Spain 119 19.22%
Belgium & Netherlands 85 13.73%
Russia 198 31.99%
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Old October 6th, 2009, 06:13 PM   #141
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Every one of those Indonesian stadiums is an athletics venue not a football venue. They all look the same and would provide a terrible experience for fans.

WCs should be given to countries who have football as their first sport more often than those where it is not seen as important. I think there needs to be an obvious improvement in some countries football system before the WC is given. What motivation is there for FIFA otherwise.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 06:43 PM   #142
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Yes Luke, but we've seen a technically inferior bid win the 2016 Olympics in the last week. There are a multitude of other factors to consider beside the technical ones which is why England is by no means a shoe-in and why we shouldn't get too ahead of ourselves.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 07:23 PM   #143
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Every one of those Indonesian stadiums is an athletics venue not a football venue. They all look the same and would provide a terrible experience for fans.

WCs should be given to countries who have football as their first sport more often than those where it is not seen as important. I think there needs to be an obvious improvement in some countries football system before the WC is given. What motivation is there for FIFA otherwise.
Football is the number 1 sport in indonesia (check out the indonesian threads for pictures). Having athletics stadiums is not an indicator, just look at Italy and how Germany used to be. It just means that local government tries to leech of the success of the game by forcing teams to play in substandard venues.

However I do agree that athletics stadiums should be banned from world cups and Indonesia shouldn't get it until they have a decent football team.

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Old October 6th, 2009, 07:27 PM   #144
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I personally think Russia may come with the best bid, the geography is not bad (better than the states, australia and brazil) and it's somewhere different.

We've had "recent" Euros in both England and the Benelux.

As far as i am aware stadium capacity is irrelevant as long as you meet the criteria as FIFA makes it's money from TV and sponsorship.

It's a shame that the best 4 bids are European ones because we have this rotational policy. I would love it England, I'd love it the benelux, i'd love it in Russia (not so much portugal, spain solo yes).

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Old October 6th, 2009, 09:24 PM   #145
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I Think even with the controvertial Hugo Chavez on power, Venezuela could host it because doesnt have many conerns and have a lot of petrodolars. The stadiums from Copa America are new and very modern would be very good.

Colombia would have some problems with FARCs though
I have no doubt these stadiums are modern. But FIFA has asked 11 stadiums with 40000 places and 1 stadium with 80000 places. I saw stadiums of Venezuela and none have 80000 places, only 6 stadiums have the required minimum of places.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/south_a...enezuela.shtml

Venezuela will have to work harder, even with oil revenues.

Colombia will also have lots of works to do to host a WC.

Argentina can host a WC, but they will have to upgrade some stadiums.

http://www.worldstadiums.com/south_a...colombia.shtml
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Old October 6th, 2009, 10:47 PM   #146
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from reading this thread a lot of jealousy from our european friends Holland and belguim imo dont have a chance russia is a interesting one though the moscow bid for the olmypics in 2012 downfall was down to the lack of infastructure. as Luke said plantini hates the uk so we will see .
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Old October 7th, 2009, 07:06 AM   #147
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I wish Russia would've filed a joint bid with the Ukraine so we could see matches played in Donbass.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 07:09 AM   #148
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Spain and Portugal will win. They will have the support of Europe and importantly Latin America.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:53 AM   #149
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I wish Russia would've filed a joint bid with the Ukraine so we could see matches played in Donbass.
hehe, if only a Donbass Arena, Donetzk is few kms from Rostov-na-Donu, but this will be already a joint bid, so I doubt.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 02:17 PM   #150
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Spain and Portugal will win. They will have the support of Europe and importantly Latin America.
They'll have the support of Latin America, certainly. But Latin America only has a small minority of the votes. It won't be enough, on its own, to get the Iberian bid very far.

Whatever gains Iberia makes in Latin America may be lost in Asia and Africa.

As to Europe, I see no reason why Iberia would get a significantly higher proportion of the vote than any of the other European bids.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 04:26 PM   #151
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england has the majority of europe on its side and i imagine oceania because i cant see australia getting anywhere in there bid
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Old October 7th, 2009, 04:56 PM   #152
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england has the majority of europe on its side and i imagine oceania because i cant see australia getting anywhere in there bid
Just as I don't think that Iberia will win most of the European votes, I don't think that England will either.

Each of the European bids will most likely win similar levels of support from within Europe.

As to Australia, forget about them. England are not in direct competition with them. Australia are in competition with all the other non European countries for whichever of WC 2018 or 2022 isn't held in Europe - and they stand as good a chance as any. Besides, Australia is no longer, in footballing terms, an Oceania country. It joined the Asian Football Confederation a couple of years ago.

You're right, though, to hope that Oceania's votes will go to England. Historical and cultrural ties make it more likely.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 07:45 PM   #153
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England will win, no doubt about that...
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Old October 7th, 2009, 08:56 PM   #154
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Just as I don't think that Iberia will win most of the European votes, I don't think that England will either.

Each of the European bids will most likely win similar levels of support from within Europe.

As to Australia, forget about them. England are not in direct competition with them. Australia are in competition with all the other non European countries for whichever of WC 2018 or 2022 isn't held in Europe - and they stand as good a chance as any. Besides, Australia is no longer, in footballing terms, an Oceania country. It joined the Asian Football Confederation a couple of years ago.

You're right, though, to hope that Oceania's votes will go to England. Historical and cultrural ties make it more likely.
exactley if some of the country votes get knocked out england will get them thats why i think we will get the wc 2018
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Old October 7th, 2009, 10:14 PM   #155
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Why do all Indonesian stadiums have athletics tracks? FIFA doesn't like them, and I think there's even a limit to the amount of stadiums that can have an atheltics track. Indonesia will have to build 6 to 8 rectangular, football specific stadiums for the world cup. I would love to see a world cup in Indonesia, but I really can't see them pulling it off before 2022. Maybe next time around guys, this one is for the USA or Oz...
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Old October 8th, 2009, 12:28 AM   #156
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Honestly, why invest so much in a stadium and compromise the main draw (football) with running tracks that will rarely pack the stands?
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Old October 8th, 2009, 07:04 PM   #157
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Football is the number 1 sport in indonesia (check out the indonesian threads for pictures). Having athletics stadiums is not an indicator, just look at Italy and how Germany used to be. It just means that local government tries to leech of the success of the game by forcing teams to play in substandard venues.

However I do agree that athletics stadiums should be banned from world cups and Indonesia shouldn't get it until they have a decent football team.
Sorry my 2nd point was not related to my first. Pretty obvious that Indonesia's first sport is football. My complaint was regarding the stadia. I agree with you.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 11:40 PM   #158
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Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia. 50% of Conmebol Members.

Equador and Uruguay would probably able if it is a join bid with other major country.


What?????? jaja (LOL), let's see. Man!!!, you're brazilian right yeah of course, look, I don't know exactly why you're talking that Europe and South America deserve a WC each 12 or 16 years (i don't remember ur comment), if u say it because of football level there, you're a little wrong, Europe ok, I agree, but South America, come on man, teams from the North are better than some of southamerican, african and asian countries.

If you talk about the number of countries...Asia has more than another continent, then Africa and Europe.

Now, talking about economy...Colombiaaaaa??, Colombia wasn't able in order to host the WC in 86, Mexico was the solution, I think the really able countries now in South America are Brazil, Chile and Argentina and I got my doubts about them, maybe Venezuela but no. In North America obviously, United States, Mexico and Canada, (by the way, I don't know what's the true reason cuz of Mexico decline the host of WC), is complicated that Central America or Caribbean can host a WC.

I vote for United States!!
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I feel the same way about it. But I think Qatar could bid as a join bid with other Arab Small Countries like UAE, Bahrein, Kwait, Oman and maybe even Saudi Arabia. Host Cities would be:

UAE: Dubai and Abu Dhabi
Oman: Mascat
Qatar: Doha
Bahrein: Manama
Kuwait: Kuwait
Saudi Arabia: Riyad, Jiddah
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Is the same as:

Guatemala: Guatemala City
Honduras: Tegucigalpa, San Pedro Sula
El Salvador: San Salvador
Costa Rica: San Jose
Trinidad & Tobago: Port Spain
Jamaica: Kingston

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Old October 9th, 2009, 03:00 AM   #160
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Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia. 50% of Conmebol Members.

Equador and Uruguay would probably able if it is a join bid with other major country.


I think Colombia, Argentina and Venezuela, and perhaps Peru, in the future would be able to host a World Cup
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