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Old May 29th, 2009, 01:09 AM   #61
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I'd take Wembley off.

Its a nice stadium but its a football stadium, and as that it represents everything what is wrong with English football.

Take it off the list.
I find that its a bit posh for my liking. Its too much like an American Footy Stadium, big... over sized, spacious and what not. Can't really blame anyone for it but ourselves though, if they had built a good slighlty cramped footbally type stadium everyone would complain that it wasn't the biggest and the best!!

Still an A+ stadium
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Old May 29th, 2009, 03:53 AM   #62
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Add New Orleans Superdome, Land Shark Stadium (Dolphin Stadium) and Lambough (History makes it great)


Are we adding baseball stadiums to this as well?

If so... Dodger Field, Wrigley, Fenway.
Superdome? No. Dolphin Stadium? No. Lambeau? Maybe.
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Old May 29th, 2009, 02:23 PM   #63
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Well if we start talking about history as an aspect.
We should include other stadia than Lambeau.

The Ghazi stadium in Kabul for example Afghanistans national stadium the Taliban used for publix executions.

The Croke Park in Dublin where the bloody sunday happened on November 21st. in 1920.

And some other stadia with an important history like those.

There are plenty of stadia with a really relevant history, one of far more importance than the sort of rather irrelevant history Lambeau Field has.
Stadia that are true monuments telling the world about some Major historic events.

If history shall be an aspekt in the ranking, then please take "real" history as a measure. Not just rather unimportant stuff like the first stadium with a movable pitch or with a retractable roof, or the first tennis stadium with heated seats.... or that sort of stuff.
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Old May 29th, 2009, 05:20 PM   #64
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This tailgating thing sounds really fun...though doubt it would ever catch on in Poland, or anywhere in Europe generally
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Old May 29th, 2009, 05:43 PM   #65
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Superdome? No. Dolphin Stadium? No. Lambeau? Maybe.
why not?

Superdome and Dolphin are the 2 most used stadiums in the country. Both are finishing up major renovations, can hold a large crowd and have a great history and Iconic Look.
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Old May 29th, 2009, 05:43 PM   #66
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This tailgating thing sounds really fun...though doubt it would ever catch on in Poland, or anywhere in Europe generally
there is no place to do it in Europe. your stadiums dont have huge parking lots around them.
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Old May 29th, 2009, 06:23 PM   #67
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I'd take Wembley off.

Its a nice stadium but its a football stadium, and as that it represents everything what is wrong with English football.

Take it off the list.
Nah don't, it's a brilliant stadium.
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Old May 29th, 2009, 10:13 PM   #68
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why not?

Superdome and Dolphin are the 2 most used stadiums in the country. Both are finishing up major renovations, can hold a large crowd and have a great history and Iconic Look.
Because neither of them are spectacular in any way. The Superdome needs more renovations and theres nothing special about Dolphin Stadium
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Old May 30th, 2009, 10:58 PM   #69
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Well if we start talking about history as an aspect.
We should include other stadia than Lambeau.

The Ghazi stadium in Kabul for example Afghanistans national stadium the Taliban used for publix executions.

The Croke Park in Dublin where the bloody sunday happened on November 21st. in 1920.

And some other stadia with an important history like those.

There are plenty of stadia with a really relevant history, one of far more importance than the sort of rather irrelevant history Lambeau Field has.
Stadia that are true monuments telling the world about some Major historic events.

If history shall be an aspekt in the ranking, then please take "real" history as a measure. Not just rather unimportant stuff like the first stadium with a movable pitch or with a retractable roof, or the first tennis stadium with heated seats.... or that sort of stuff.
I think people here are referring to sports history...not major historical events that happened to take place at sporting venues.
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Old October 2nd, 2009, 07:38 AM   #70
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Do you like the UEFA Elite Stadium ranking system?

(Mods, please DO NOT merge this with another thread.)
In 2006, the Union of European Football Associations replaced the four- and five-star ranking system with the UEFA Elite Stadium. Personally, I had begun to hate the new system because that will mean that stadiums with a capacity less than 40,000 will be selected to host a UEFA Cup Final and stadiums with a capacity less than 60,000 will be selected to host a UEFA Champions League Final. This new system is stupid.

The old criteria are:
Minimum seating capacity of 50,000 (5-star venues) / 30,000 (4-star venues) – individual seats with backrests. (Venues that still have individual seats without proper backrests will still continue to be accepted. In the future, however, closer attention will be paid to this aspect, and which will influence the committee’s decision regarding the addition of venues to these list categories.)
Pitch dimensions of 105 x 68 m. The field of play must be in pristine condition and be prepared accordingly for a final (quality of grass, irrigation, smooth surface, etc.).
Protective fences around the field of play are not acceptable. Venues which have such installations will not be included on the list.
Sufficient room around the field of play for advertising boards and at least 18 TV cameras. In addition, there must be enough room between the goals and the first row of spectator seats behind both goals for a minimum of 150 photographers.
First-rate dressing-rooms for both teams and the referees (equal size and furnishings for both teams, spacious, bright and clean).
Suitable and appropriately equipped drug-testing room.
Floodlighting of a minimum intensity of 1,400 lux (eV) in the direction of the main camera, and of 1,000 Lux (eV) towards the other areas of the stadium, plus an efficient emergency power supply able to provide, without interruption, the same luminous light intensity as the main lighting.
Modern security installations (access monitoring system, adequate PA system, etc.).
A permanent TV surveillance system in colour that is able to monitor the movement of spectators, as well as their behaviour inside and outside the stadium. This installation must also be able to produce still shots of any troublemakers, which can then be distributed immediately to the security officers / stewards in the stadium.
Clear signage that everyone can understand inside and outside the stadium, as well as in its immediate vicinity.
Suitable covered seats for disabled spectators and their accompanying persons (minimum of two sectors with at least 50 places each). The areas for disabled spectators must be adequately equipped with toilet facilities and a refreshment bar.
Acceptable sanitary facilities for spectators (both sexes) in terms of numbers, cleanliness and standards. Toilets without seats will no longer be accepted for spectators of either sex.
Provision of first-rate media facilities in terms of camera positions, working places, TV studios, etc., in accordance with the “UEFA Guidelines for Media Facilities”.
Adequate first-class facilities must be provided for VIPs, including a minimum of 150 places in the Honorary Tribune VIP box.
International airport(s) able to cope with the huge extra demands of a UEFA final (capacity for up to 60 charter flights per day in addition to the normal, scheduled flights)
Adequate hotel accommodation. For UEFA and its partners, at least 1,000 five-star hotel rooms (UEFA Champions League) / 500 rooms (UEFA Cup) are needed. In addition, enough other hotel accommodation in all types of category must be available.

The new Criteria are:
Stadia must be all-seated and have a minimum capacity of 30,000
The playing surface dimensions must be 105 metres in length and 68 metres in width
The playing surface must either be natural turf or FIFA-licensed artificial turf
The substitute benches must seat at least 13 people
The dressing rooms must seat at least 25 people
There should also be a separate 'Delegate's Room', 'Doping Station' and 'First Aid Room'
Stadiums must have CCTV both inside and outside and a 'Security Control Room'
Must provide seating for at least 1500 VIPs and 200 journalists
The floodlights must light the pitch to an illuminance of at least 1400 lux
There must be at least three TV studios within the Stadium.
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Old October 2nd, 2009, 01:15 PM   #71
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No. Decreasing the capacity minimums is pointless because they've said they won't pick any stadium under the old limits to host the finals anyway!

When they talk about seats which haven't got proper backrests, what are they talking about? The crappy single-mould seats which for some reason are still being installed across the world! or the ones with just a ridge for support?
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Old October 2nd, 2009, 01:42 PM   #72
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I don't like the old system and I don't really like the new one either.
But I find it slightly better. One of the reasons is, that I see no point to make large size such a hard criteria to distinguish between 4 and 5 stars.
A brand new, modern 45k stadium with exquisite features and lots of comfort for the spectators wasn't able to get into the hightest ranking category, but an old reworked 52k stadium with partially poor sightlines, barely meeting all those requirements was. That never really made all that much sense to me.

But even in the new ranking, the criteria are far too much based on the needs of the press, TV broadcasting, the sportsmen, the officials, the VIPs and hardly on the wants and needs of the spectators, the guests at all.
A stadium can basically have large distances between the stands and the pitch, poor sightlines and uncomfortable seats all over the place and still get the maximum rating, as long as the referees have a spa and a minibar in their quarters.
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Old October 2nd, 2009, 01:47 PM   #73
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I don't like at all. IMHO any stadium with the running track around the field is not a proper football stadium and isn't elite by all means.
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But even in the new ranking, the criteria are far too much based on the needs of the press, TV broadcasting, the sportsmen, the officials, the VIPs and hardly on the wants and needs of the spectators, the guests at all.
A stadium can basically have large distances between the stands and the pitch, poor sightlines and uncomfortable seats all over the place and still get the maximum rating, as long as the referees have a spa and a minibar in their quarters.
Totally agree with what you've said here - and UEFA wonder why no-one likes or respects them. They look after the media and themselves far too much.

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I don't like at all. IMHO any stadium with the running track around the field is not a proper football stadium and isn't elite by all means.
Bang on mate!
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Old October 2nd, 2009, 05:25 PM   #75
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I don't like at all. IMHO any stadium with the running track around the field is not a proper football stadium and isn't elite by all means.
Sadly, the idiots at UEFA love tracks.
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Old October 2nd, 2009, 06:38 PM   #76
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Why Emirates Stadium (London) is not a 5* Elite stadium ?
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Old October 3rd, 2009, 07:10 AM   #77
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Why Emirates Stadium (London) is not a 5* Elite stadium ?
They must've visited Wembley on the same day.
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Old October 3rd, 2009, 08:40 AM   #78
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I don't like at all. IMHO any stadium with the running track around the field is not a proper football stadium and isn't elite by all means.
Exactly, Rome isn't a proper football stadium, Emirates on the other hand is. Stupid UEFA.
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Old October 4th, 2009, 09:52 PM   #79
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Old October 5th, 2009, 07:20 PM   #80
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I think 50,000 is too small a capacity for the Champions League Final. Judging by the choice of venues recently UEFA seem to agree. Since 2004:

2005 - Ataturk Stadium, Istanbul (Capacity: 76,000)
2006 - Stade de France, Paris (80,000)
2007 - Olympic Stadium, Athens (71,000)
2008 - Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow (79,000)
2009 - Olympic Stadium, Rome (72,000)
2010 - Bernebeu Stadium, Madrid (80,000)
2011 - Wembley Stadium, London (90,000)
2012 - Allianz Arena, Munich (66,000)

Capacity is less of an issue in the UEFA Cup/Europa League Final because the teams that contest it tend to be less well supported. Espanyol played Sevilla in the final at Hampden Park a couple of years ago and it was barely two-thirds full.

UEFA like running tracks because it makes it more difficult to throw objects on to, or invade, the pitch (in their opinion).

The Emirates Stadium is probably not on the elite list because Arsenal have not asked for it to be. Just because a stadium meets all the criteria doesn't necessarily mean that it is automatically put on. Plus, there is a chance that Arsenal might get to the final and UEFA like the final to be on neutral territory (although there are examples of teams playing major finals "at home" so they don't always get it how they want).
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