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Old July 11th, 2014, 06:00 PM   #221
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As of today, first branch of C line (Montecompatri/Pantano - Centocelle) is scheduled to open on the 11th of October 2014.

The opening times will be 5:30 - 18:30. This early closure is due to remaining works to do on the line for the other stations, in order to be able to open second branch (Centocelle - Lodi) in February.
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Haha, typical! Just like I missed the opening of the Downtown line in Singapore when I visit, I also miss the opening of line C in Rome when I visit in August this year. I seem to be unlucky with metro openings.

Progress looks good, though! Will be a great addition to the city.
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Old July 13th, 2014, 02:17 AM   #223
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The problem will be the opening hours in the first times. They'll close the metro during the afternoon rush hours, so I'm afraid that the bus replacement service from 18.30 to 23.30 won't be enough
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Why will they close it during the afternoon peak? Seems a strange thing to do...
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Why will they close it during the afternoon peak? Seems a strange thing to do...
I have completely no idea.

Somea years ago, when they had to do some works on the A line, they closed it at 21:00 to let the workers work from 21:00 to 5:30AM.

I guess (but I hope it's not) that they're doing this to limit the usage of the line, in order to have a smaller amount of people to deal with at the line terminus (Centocelle) where they'd need to be trasferred into buses or a very old kinda-tram line.
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Why will they close it during the afternoon peak? Seems a strange thing to do...
It is, indeed. Basically they need to continue to work on the part of the line that's supposed to open in January. And they need to work at least 10 hours a day. Sincerely I think it's a really stupid way to solve this issue. I'd rather prefer an opening in March 2015 but with an opening hours until at least 20.30
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They should open the metro without review the bus network (except the new express lines for Termini and San Giovanni from Parco di Centocelle). So the operator can test the line with passengers, and the passengers will get used to the metro with no changes at the bus network (and so no routes changes, but only an additional route) At least until the opening to Lodi Station
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Why will they close it during the afternoon peak? Seems a strange thing to do...
Yep, it's indeed strange but perhaps they wouldn't have had other choice if opening in October. The decision to open in October is both political and practical imho. Political because by doing so they can show that they have opened an infrastructure, and practical because at least someone can finally starting enjoy and try it (albeit with reduced opening hours, for a few months)

Also I would add that as soon as the metro will arrive in Lodi station (just a few months after October, they say 2-3 months max), closing time will be immediately extended at 23.00 as stated at muoversiaroma.it:


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http://www.muoversiaroma.it/muoversi...o.aspx?id=8959

so just a little patience and this temporary situation will normalize in a short time.

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Anyway, they canīt expect a maximum of passengers if they open only between Pantano and Centocelle, not at least until they reach Pigneto or San Giovanni stations...

Btw, the Laziali line will stay open between Giardinetti and the centre during this period? Could it be a reliable interchange?
What will happen to the Laziali line after line C opens? Will it be closed, or will it be transformed into a normal tramway?
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Anyway, they canīt expect a maximum of passengers if they open only between Pantano and Centocelle, not at least until they reach Pigneto or San Giovanni stations...
Of course; no one is expecting a maximum of passengers on the Line C for the first months, not until it reach the major stations.

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What will happen to the Laziali line after line C opens? Will it be closed, or will it be transformed into a normal tramway?
The Laziali-Giardinetti railway will stay open, but absolutely it isn't a reliable interchange because of its old age and inadequacy. For this reason, a shuttle bus service to connect with Centocelle with Termini is in the study; also seems that they will add car-sharing stations to Centocelle too. All this, always until the C will arrive at Lodi.

It is planned to convert the Laziali-Giardinetti railway in a modern tramway, but not for now. Unfortunately, as usual we will have to wait, probably years.
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Btw, the Laziali line will stay open between Giardinetti and the centre during this period? Could it be a reliable interchange?
What will happen to the Laziali line after line C opens? Will it be closed, or will it be transformed into a normal tramway?
The sole Laziali line cannot bear all the passengers coming from C line, of course.

But that line, 105 bus line (that goes the same way as Laziali) plus all the shuttle buses they'll provide should work things out.
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Some July updates pictures for the C line stations building sites.
http://www.metrocspa.it/t.asp?t=18

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Of course; no one is expecting a maximum of passengers on the Line C for the first months, not until it reach the major stations.
By "major stations" you mean the connection at San Giovanni with line A, or only once it reaches the connection with line B at Colosseo?

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The Laziali-Giardinetti railway will stay open, but absolutely it isn't a reliable interchange because of its old age and inadequacy. For this reason, a shuttle bus service to connect with Centocelle with Termini is in the study; also seems that they will add car-sharing stations to Centocelle too. All this, always until the C will arrive at Lodi.
Why Lodi? Will there be any interchange with anything?
I thought the first interchange with any other metro line would be San Giovanni...
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San Giovanni and Pigneto (when RFI will build its part of the station) are the main stations.

Lodi because San Giovanni isn't ready yet and won't be until early 2016. And people couldn't stand waiting another couple of Years, with half of the line ready and rotting already...
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San Giovanni and Pigneto (when RFI will build its part of the station) are the main stations.
Capisco. When is RFI supposed to finish its part of the Pigneto station then?

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Lodi because San Giovanni isn't ready yet and won't be until early 2016. And people couldn't stand waiting another couple of Years, with half of the line ready and rotting already...
Of course, but if itīs a dead-end line with no connection with the railway at Pigneto and no connection at San Giovanni, itīs a bit of a joke, isnīt it?
Because at Lodi there will have to be a constant bus link to San Giovanni. Itīs not a really long section, but anyway, that will put off many passengers.

Or is the line C corridor self-contained, I mean, would it generate enough internal passengers who wouldnīt need any connection? Apparently, I would doubt it, as by finishing at Lodi, one does not really get intra-muros, but just outside...
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Lodi and San Giovanni are very close each other. So when you get off to Lodi you'll be able to go to San Giovanni Station (metro A) in 5 minutes walking.

Theoretically the first section of metro between Parco di Centocelle and Pantano should replace the old narrow gauge railway and some bus lines, but I'm afraid the passengers will be more than the actual passenger flow. They have to be careful with the management of the temporary bus link service to Termini and San Giovanni
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Capisco. When is RFI supposed to finish its part of the Pigneto station then?
The right question should be "when is RFI supposed to start its part of the Pigneto Station?

No-one knows.

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Of course, but if itīs a dead-end line with no connection with the railway at Pigneto and no connection at San Giovanni, itīs a bit of a joke, isnīt it?
Because at Lodi there will have to be a constant bus link to San Giovanni. Itīs not a really long section, but anyway, that will put off many passengers.

Or is the line C corridor self-contained, I mean, would it generate enough internal passengers who wouldnīt need any connection? Apparently, I would doubt it, as by finishing at Lodi, one does not really get intra-muros, but just outside...
No, the C line won't definately be self-contained. Bus shuttle will be to Termini, not to San Giovanni, because SG is close enough to walk to it.
But the current mayor planned a tram line to Lodi station (and to Pigneto station too), to help handle the passenger flow.

And yes, will be a bit of a dead-end for a while, let's say until 2016 and then 2018 (year in which the X-track in San Giovanni will be ready, hence trains will be every 3' and not 7' as it will be in 2016).

And in 2016 we'll have a - probably - bigger problem: A line won't be able to handle all those new passengers, because it's completely full now already.
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Capisco. When is RFI supposed to finish its part of the Pigneto station then?
The mayor's decree nr 474 of December 31, 2012, (published by mistake only on May 15, 2013) define the agreements between RFI and Roma Capitale for the Pigneto multi-node station. This decree says that the first phase of the work will consist:

- In the building and activation of the FL1 Pigneto station along the ring on Casilina;
- In its covering all along the Circonvallazione Casilina with realization of the whole pedestrian passageway between its east and west sides and the link with the new Metro C-Pigneto;
- In the realization of the pedestrian underpass linking the stop FL1 with the Metro C;
- New design of the whole surface.


The total cost will be EUR 22.20 mln totally paid by RFI. Duration of work 700 days.

Still in the art.9 of the decree of the agreement is possible to read:
"The parties mutually acknowledge that RFI expects to finalize and deliver the works covered by this agreement (and therefore only the first batch of Phase 1) by 2017 unless testing operations."

So it is obvious that the node Pigneto will never be ready for 2014 (building sites are not open yet). If the works are estimated to last 700 days and they declare to end them by 2017, probably the work will begin in 2015. This is perfectly in line with the agreements signed between Roma Capitale and RFI.

The station is strategically fundamental, but it's totally paid by RFI so we have to wait some more time.

Here are some pics of the project:


North-south section of the multi-node station Pigneto


General plan of the final station (comprehensive of a new tramway, and the station for the FL3, FL4 and FL6 lines)


General plan in birdview

According to this project (to be finished in 20XX) Pigneto will become the fourth biggest station of Rome (After Termini, Tiburtina and Ostiense).
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The right question should be "when is RFI supposed to start its part of the Pigneto Station?

No-one knows.
I see. Typical story...

Itīs curious, but in the old times these things didnīt happen.
See the sewers of Rome, 5th century BC and still in use, and never a problem at all, ever. Ironical, isnīt it?

Now weīre more advanced in many respects, but... not in everything.

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No, the C line won't definately be self-contained. Bus shuttle will be to Termini, not to San Giovanni, because SG is close enough to walk to it.
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Lodi and San Giovanni are very close each other. So when you get off to Lodi you'll be able to go to San Giovanni Station (metro A) in 5 minutes walking.
Alright. But these 5 minutes walking can really put off the passengers for some time.
At least it will be in use, itīs definitely better than nothing, but it wonīt make much money in the beginning.

Getting to San Giovanni is crucial. Getting to Colosseo and Venezia, even more.

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But the current mayor planned a tram line to Lodi station (and to Pigneto station too), to help handle the passenger flow.
Where would it run to and from, this new tram?

And, let me guess... have the works of this tram started, by now?

Whoīs in "Chez SPQR", these days, btw? Still Alemanno?

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Theoretically the first section of metro between Parco di Centocelle and Pantano should replace the old narrow gauge railway and some bus lines, but I'm afraid the passengers will be more than the actual passenger flow. They have to be careful with the management of the temporary bus link service to Termini and San Giovanni
Indeed, but I guess that without San Giovanni station that will be manageable, to an extent, as the ridership wonīt reach the top until that happens.
Probably many passengers will keep on using other means of transport.

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And yes, will be a bit of a dead-end for a while, let's say until 2016 and then 2018 (year in which the X-track in San Giovanni will be ready, hence trains will be every 3' and not 7' as it will be in 2016).
Well, seven minutes wonīt be that bad... in a manner of speaking.

Why such a long time for the scissor points, btw?

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And in 2016 we'll have a - probably - bigger problem: A line won't be able to handle all those new passengers, because it's completely full now already.
Exactly what I thought the moment I saw the plan on the map. San Giovanni station will become a trap.

Letīs hope no one will die under the amount of human mass that will become the inside of the metro cars between San Giovanni and Termini...

Hopefully the overcrowding will prompt the authorities to react and accelerate the Colosseo and Venezia extensions (to reach Clodio would be a miracle, I guess)... but I donīt know if itīs hoping for too much.

Btw, have Pasquino and his lot ever spoken about line C?
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I see. Typical story...

Itīs curious, but in the old times these things didnīt happen.
See the sewers of Rome, 5th century BC and still in use, and never a problem at all, ever. Ironical, isnīt it?

Now weīre more advanced in many respects, but... not in everything.
Well, visitors considered Rome one of the most dirty and noisy places in the world. Jammed with traffic, shit everywere, thieves and pickpockets, graffiti on every wall. Visitors of the 1st cent AD
It seems not so much really changed. Rome continues to produce interesting architecture and continues to be totally messed up!



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Alright. But these 5 minutes walking can really put off the passengers for some time.
At least it will be in use, itīs definitely better than nothing, but it wonīt make much money in the beginning.

Getting to San Giovanni is crucial. Getting to Colosseo and Venezia, even more.
Clodio is the minimum acceptable to consider C line fully operational. Stopping it before will make collapse both B and A lines.

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Where would it run to and from, this new tram?

And, let me guess... have the works of this tram started, by now?

Whoīs in "Chez SPQR", these days, btw? Still Alemanno?
Nope, we have Marino as mayor. In the last political race destroyed Alemanno.
The tram should be this one below. And nope, no works started yet. Actually neither the project is definitive one. So probably the Roma-Giardinetti will stand on for a long while.



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Indeed, but I guess that without San Giovanni station that will be manageable, to an extent, as the ridership wonīt reach the top until that happens.
Probably many passengers will keep on using other means of transport.
Probably and hopefully.

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Well, seven minutes wonīt be that bad... in a manner of speaking.

Why such a long time for the scissor points, btw?
Because the government department responsible for the environment and historical buildings (Soprintendenza) asked to change the project of San Giovanni station due to protection of some ruins found where there was supposed to be built the scissor point. So two more years of works and big loss of money.

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Exactly what I thought the moment I saw the plan on the map. San Giovanni station will become a trap.

Letīs hope no one will die under the amount of human mass that will become the inside of the metro cars between San Giovanni and Termini...

Hopefully the overcrowding will prompt the authorities to react and accelerate the Colosseo and Venezia extensions (to reach Clodio would be a miracle, I guess)... but I donīt know if itīs hoping for too much.

Btw, have Pasquino and his lot ever spoken about line C?
Probably Pasquino had talk about that. But I found on his official website and it seems that no one reported it...
http://www.pasquinate.it/
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