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Old November 11th, 2014, 01:40 AM   #401
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How many passengers per day are expected when the line will be completed? (By completed I mean with full connection with the rest of the network and access to central Rome)
Frequency should be 3' in the central branch, that means 24'000pphd.

But the line can work with 90" frequency, that means 42'000pphd (max capacity).

Speaking of daily usage, probably around 330'000 people per day, with the C line reaching Fori Imperiali/Colosseo.

If the C arrives at Ottaviano, or Clodio, that usage will raise to 400/500'000.
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Old November 11th, 2014, 03:04 PM   #402
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Thanks to isoA4, we have the new pics from Jonio, last station (for now) of the B1 line branch. I hope those will be the final pics before the next opening in early 2015.

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mentre tutti hanno gli occhi puntati sulla C, piccolo aggiornamento sulla stazione Jonio:

vista panoramica generale:



prospetto da piazza di val melaina:



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atrio/negozi:







la piazza sul tetto del parcheggio su via del gran paradiso:

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Old November 14th, 2014, 07:16 PM   #403
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Hello, can anyone tell me what is present development cost of existing part of C line?
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Old November 14th, 2014, 07:17 PM   #404
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Hello, can anyone tell me what is present development cost of existing part of C line?
Yes.

It costed 1,88 Billions €.

For the whole actual line, from Pantano to Colosseo, the cost is 2,97 billions €.

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I COSTI DI REALIZZAZIONE
solo alcuni dati:

- L’importo contabilizzato per la parte d’opera ad oggi realizzata Ŕ pari a 1,88 miliardi di euro.

- L’investimento complessivo della parte di linea oggi completamente finanziata (Pantano - Colosseo di circa 21,3 Km) Ŕ passato da 2,23 a 2,97 miliardi di euro, con un aumento quindi pari a circa un terzo (e nonal triplo!) del costo originario a base del progetto preliminare dell’Amministrazione.
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Old November 22nd, 2014, 12:27 PM   #405
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Finally the first pic of the Atrium of Jonio B1 Station and two pics of the rooftop up on the parking that should become a garden.

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Comunque sul notiziario fotografico sulla B1 nessuno ha postato questa meravigliosa foto!!! Finalmente la prima foto in cui si vede l'atrio della stazione Jonio!!



E sopratutto le prime vere foto di come stanno facendo il tetto "giardino"!



From Romametropolitane website.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 08:23 AM   #406
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New pics updated to last November from Metro C website http://www.metrocspa.it/t-dett.asp?id=1139&page=1&t=18

San Giovanni is expected to open in early 2016 while the others are almost completed and are expected to be opened by next spring 2015.

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Pigneto







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Old December 21st, 2014, 08:35 AM   #407
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Other pics of the other stations building sites for the C line. Also these are coming from last end of November.
In my opinion the design quality of squares and public spaces it's really disappointing. A lost occasion for these suburban areas...

http://www.metrocspa.it/t.asp?t=19

Teano







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Old December 22nd, 2014, 03:12 PM   #408
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Aren't the squares still a work in progress, though?
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Aren't the squares still a work in progress, though?
Well, that's true, but the final result will not be much different. Probably some more trees.
Anyhow there was not a real will to create places for aggregation for the interested areas and the overall design is not really amazing. Maybe Teano and Pigneto are a bit better than the Gardenie and Mirti. Malatesta so so...

That was a great occasion to reduce the space of cars and to create good architecture. Basically they just created roundabouts with most of the accesses in the middle of the squares...
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That was a great occasion to reduce the space of cars and to create good architecture.

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It is not like Roma has excessive space for cars, or as if traffic is a breeze and streets are empty.
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Old December 24th, 2014, 02:17 AM   #411
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or as if traffic is a breeze and streets are empty.
Good reason to get rid of some more cars, then.
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Old December 24th, 2014, 01:11 PM   #412
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It is not like Roma has excessive space for cars, or as if traffic is a breeze and streets are empty.
https://www.google.com/search?q=macc...cQ_AUoAg&dpr=2

Cars parked illegally in double lanes are the first reason for the monster traffic of the city. Moreover the streets are not empty because Rome has the highest rate of cars/person in Europe and one of the first in the world. And cars can basically go almost everywhere and pay ridiculously low fares for public parking even in the city center.

Reducing the possibility of parking in double lane IS the FIRST thing to do to reduce traffic jam in Rome. And it's possible to accomplish such a result in four ways:
- rising prices of public parkings to make public transport more convenient to use.
- reducing the size of streets in a way to make impossible for cars to park in double (or triple) lane.
- creating and enhancing pedestrian areas wherever is possible, also in suburban areas.
- creating and enhancing dedicated lanes only for public transit.

Accomplishing these four steps will be the first way to reduce traffic and also pollution in the city, first cause of marble monuments deterioration.

EDIT: the reason for I'm so pissed for the new squares in Rome is that they are designed for cars and not for people. Cars that will be allowed, due the excessive largeness of the streets, to park in double lane and stuck the poor buses in the consequent traffic. Moreover, these new squares are really poorly designed with almost no green or coverings to create shade in the sunny and hot roman summers.
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Old December 25th, 2014, 03:50 PM   #413
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This argument is crazy.

If double parking is a problem, you fine double-parked cars, even with cameras to help, instead of narrowing roads to take away 1 traffic lane

This is like saying that if fare evasion on a subway line is a problem, the line should be closed (instead of payment enforcement be improved).

You also write as if car traffic was necessarily a bad thing, like a form of crime.

Of course the city should build more subway lines, many more indeed, to provide alternatives, but there is no need for a war on cars and harsh ZTL provisions outside historical (before 1800 AD) zones.
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Old December 25th, 2014, 10:57 PM   #414
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Well, I appreciate your idea of how traffic in Rome should be solved. It's basically the same one promoted by the last 25 years of Roman Municipality Administrations.
But it didn't work. For many reasons.

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If double parking is a problem, you fine double-parked cars, even with cameras to help, instead of narrowing roads to take away 1 traffic lane
Almost every road large enough in Rome has double lane parked cars. Most of them just stop for few minutes. But those few minutes are enough to slow drastically the traffic and in particular the public transit buses. It's virtually impossible to fine all of those cars. There are thousands. Many more than the number of policemen you can have in the streets. Now there is an experimentation with cameras mounted upon police cars. Maybe that's a solution. But still they can't be everywhere.

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This is like saying that if fare evasion on a subway line is a problem, the line should be closed (instead of payment enforcement be improved).
Well, not really. It's more like to say that if fare evasion on subway it is a problem then we start to use iron gates like in New York subways to avoid more people to enter with just one ticket. Exactly like they are doing now in Rome. Forcing people to enter one by one and only through ticket. Now many people are jumping the gates. So, for the cars to avoid double lane parking we force cars to pass or park only on the proper lane.

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You also write as if car traffic was necessarily a bad thing, like a form of crime.
Car traffic jam IT IS a bad thing. No discussions about that. And most of this traffic jam is helped by a bad street size design. That's it. In most of the countries I've have visited in the last 10 years I could see that they are developing the same system of street size reduction. Reducing the possibility to block the traffic wherever is possible and that's also the solution used recently in Rome. Unfortunately not in the quoted cases for C line new squares.

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Of course the city should build more subway lines, many more indeed, to provide alternatives, but there is no need for a war on cars and harsh ZTL provisions outside historical (before 1800 AD) zones.
Honestly I believe that we shouldn't think about more or less historic neighbourhoods. We should try to improve the quality of life also for pedestrian wherever is possible. In particular in areas now served by subway.
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This argument is crazy.

If double parking is a problem, you fine double-parked cars, even with cameras to help, instead of narrowing roads to take away 1 traffic lane

This is like saying that if fare evasion on a subway line is a problem, the line should be closed (instead of payment enforcement be improved).

You also write as if car traffic was necessarily a bad thing, like a form of crime.

Of course the city should build more subway lines, many more indeed, to provide alternatives, but there is no need for a war on cars and harsh ZTL provisions outside historical (before 1800 AD) zones.
Don't panic. Rome is no SÔo Paulo. SÔo Paulo wishes it had the traffic jams Rome has (and that's saying something).

On the other hand, talking archaeology, Rome, even outside the Mura Aureliana (the city walls), does have archaeological stuff, although not as much as inside the walls. So no Roman quarter is archeology-free.
It's Rome. You can't help it. Born Roman, born patient.

At least they now have the line C and the new extension of line B.1 will come quite soon.
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I have ideas for a couple structures modeled as a sopraelevata, but I'm afraid my suggestions would not be very popular, since there is a general hysteria against elevated expressways, even out of the old wall perimeter.
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Leave that for SÔo Paulo or Tokyo.
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I have ideas for a couple structures modeled as a sopraelevata, but I'm afraid my suggestions would not be very popular, since there is a general hysteria against elevated expressways, even out of the old wall perimeter.
In this last period I live in Tokyo where Sopraelevate are quite common. Anyway Tokyo is a much less degraded city than Rome and Sopraelevate there are not places of urban horror as the roman actual ones.

On the other hand there is a plan to complete sooner or later a light-railway in the eastern suburban area of Rome that is partially over elevated, like Sopraelevata style.

It's the MetroTram (premetr˛ basically) Saxa Rubra-Laurentina. Unfortunately only few sections were realized in the early nineties and now lie abandoned. Most of population of the interested areas is fighting to obtain the completion of this terribly important infrastructure...

This is the planned line.


This is one the realized sections.


And some pics showing the state of decay.




Some more info here (sorry only in Italian)
http://www.impossibleliving.com/ital...linea-tram-t3/
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Don't panic. Rome is no SÔo Paulo. SÔo Paulo wishes it had the traffic jams Rome has (and that's saying something).

On the other hand, talking archaeology, Rome, even outside the Mura Aureliana (the city walls), does have archaeological stuff, although not as much as inside the walls. So no Roman quarter is archeology-free.
It's Rome. You can't help it. Born Roman, born patient.

At least they now have the line C and the new extension of line B.1 will come quite soon.
Rome is not Sao Paulo indeed. Anyhow I think that Rome has the worst continuous traffic jam in Europe. More than a car for inhabitant. It's just statistic that we should reduce the number of cars and their power on city politics...

About the archaeology problem you said it right. Outside of the walls it's too damn easy to find enormous remnants also because those areas were never properly studied. The last station building site of C Line, Pantano, more or less 20 km far from city center, saw archaeologic founding.

http://www.romametropolitane.it/stam...o%20archeo.pdf

Almost all the stations had bigger or smaller problems related to archaeology. In San Giovanni station, just a bit outside of the walls, they found an entire farm with the biggest artificial fishpond ever found from the roman period.



The center is not the only problem indeed...
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On the other hand there is a plan to complete sooner or later a light-railway in the eastern suburban area of Rome that is partially over elevated, like Sopraelevata style.
It seems to be almost completely on the route of former planned line D. Afaik Numidio Quadrato station was prepared for this line, whereas Ponte Mammolo is the natural point of crossing with line B. a friend told me, that Quintiliani-station is prepared for a corssing line, but I can┤t figure out for whcih project. This project would be a real good one for eastern Rome.

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