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Old January 22nd, 2015, 12:54 AM   #441
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January pics of C line building sites. Unfortunately not so much has been accomplished since last report.

http://www.romametropolitane.it/arti...245&CodArt=246
Really nice pictures!

But this one:

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Fori Imperiali


I still find this cringeworthy.
But I guess that there's no other way.
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Old January 22nd, 2015, 04:35 AM   #442
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I still find this cringeworthy.
But I guess that there's no other way.

Well, I don't know if there was another way, but sure this is the safest.
The Archaeological Superintendence office of Rome gave the permit for the building site start only in order to protect and restore in advance all the other important monuments on the way.
Moreover, the Massenzio Basilique you see in the picture was severely damaged by some archeological excavations during the 1990's. Basically the structure started to collapse when archeologists started to remove the terrain next to its groundfloor. The whole structure was collapsing and they were forced to act with an emergency work: this one chain on the left



Clearly it was an emergency solution and now they are starting to create a more definitive restoration.

A big debate is undergoing in the city on the opportunity to make such a big interventions in the most delicate part of the ancient metropolis. Anyhow the Superintendency always followed the projects and the building sites phases. Nevertheless some political forces and some self-proclaimed guardians of the antiquity ask for the stop of every project of C line and they also denounced the building sites to Unesco...
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Can't see the pic.
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Can't see the pic.
Maybe you can see this one?



And here from the Imperial Fora.

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Well, I don't know if there was another way, but sure this is the safest.
The Archaeological Superintendence office of Rome gave the permit for the building site start only in order to protect and restore in advance all the other important monuments on the way.
Moreover, the Massenzio Basilique you see in the picture was severely damaged by some archeological excavations during the 1990's. Basically the structure started to collapse when archeologists started to remove the terrain next to its groundfloor. The whole structure was collapsing and they were forced to act with an emergency work: this one chain on the left
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Maybe you can see this one?
Blimey!! (Yes, now I can see the chain, thanks).

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Clearly it was an emergency solution and now they are starting to create a more definitive restoration.
Hopefully they'll find a solution. That chain looks alarming.

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A big debate is undergoing in the city on the opportunity to make such a big interventions in the most delicate part of the ancient metropolis. Anyhow the Superintendency always followed the projects and the building sites phases.
I hope the entrance will be as discreet as possible. I'd HATE a Ionio-type entrance for this station, even if it were small (and something tells me it wouldn't be just me).
The problem is that this station is bound to be one of the very busiest...

Are there any renders of how the area is supposed to end up looking like?

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Nevertheless some political forces and some self-proclaimed guardians of the antiquity ask for the stop of every project of C line and they also denounced the building sites to Unesco...
I kind of understand their reasons (as long as these "guardians of Old Rome" don't just play the political game, but I kind of suspect they actually do, am I wrong?), as the area is the most delicate in Europe in archaeological terms. Even the sewers of the area are ultra-listed there (the Cloaca Maxima runs not far from the place)!!

But if nowadays they have the means to minimally harm it, then go ahead.
Rome needs line C just as much as it needs the Cloaca Maxima, the Pantheon, Piazza Navona, or the Colosseum.

That said, the construction of the section between Fori Imperiali and San Pietro will be a real tour de force, notably between Fori Imperiali and Venezia. No other line of Rome will be this difficult, though... unless they find the tomb of Romulus or something just as crazy as that.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 11:48 AM   #446
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Hopefully they'll find a solution. That chain looks alarming.
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I hope the entrance will be as discreet as possible. I'd HATE a Ionio-type entrance for this station, even if it were small (and something tells me it wouldn't be just me).
The problem is that this station is bound to be one of the very busiest...
Are there any renders of how the area is supposed to end up looking like?
Actually from outside the station will look like very minimal one (luckily!) and will be obviously connected with Colosseo of B line, though they stupidly will maintain separate names. From the inside the station will not be a museum/station typology for containing costs. Very stupid IMHO.
Here are some renders and the plans.











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I kind of understand their reasons (as long as these "guardians of Old Rome" don't just play the political game, but I kind of suspect they actually do, am I wrong?), as the area is the most delicate in Europe in archaeological terms. Even the sewers of the area are ultra-listed there (the Cloaca Maxima runs not far from the place)!!
They play their own game and it's kinda clear since they don't also fight for the pedestrian plan but at same time they complain for smog...

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But if nowadays they have the means to minimally harm it, then go ahead.
Rome needs line C just as much as it needs the Cloaca Maxima, the Pantheon, Piazza Navona, or the Colosseum.
YES.

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That said, the construction of the section between Fori Imperiali and San Pietro will be a real tour de force, notably between Fori Imperiali and Venezia. No other line of Rome will be this difficult, though... unless they find the tomb of Romulus or something just as crazy as that.
Not sure about line D. It looks kinda complicate as well...
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Not sure about line D. It looks kinda complicate as well...
Well, I didn't say it would be easy, and yes, the section between Spagna and Mastai (notably Venezia-Mastai) is going to be rather tough, but nothing compared to running under the Forum.

The only thing that would be more complicated would be to open a station inside the Palatino or the Campidoglio, and that won't ever happen.
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Well, I didn't say it would be easy, and yes, the section between Spagna and Mastai (notably Venezia-Mastai) is going to be rather tough, but nothing compared to running under the Forum.

The only thing that would be more complicated would be to open a station inside the Palatino or the Campidoglio, and that won't ever happen.
It's not planned, fortunately.

About the line D, I really fear for the very central station San Silvestro, that will be the ONE station serving the trident. Parliament is just in front of it and I seriously fear opposition from the national politicians. All of them
Anyhow line D is unfortunately very far in time to be realized...
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About the line D, I really fear for the very central station San Silvestro, that will be the ONE station serving the trident.
What's the trident?

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Parliament is just in front of it and I seriously fear opposition from the national politicians. All of them
Are they really that kind of *******s as to go NIMBYing about a metro station near them?
The London, Berlin, Paris and Madrid metros run next or very close to government ministries, parliament buildings or presidential buildings.
Should Rome be different?

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Anyhow line D is unfortunately very far in time to be realized...
Line C will take long enough to reach Clodio, I'm afraid.
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What's the trident?
The area of the city between Via di Ripetta, Via del Corso and Via del Babuino.

The three roads, starting from Piazza del Popolo going south resemble a trident:





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Are they really that kind of *******s as to go NIMBYing about a metro station near them?
The London, Berlin, Paris and Madrid metros run next or very close to government ministries, parliament buildings or presidential buildings.
Should Rome be different?
I'm afraid they might be. However, for the time we'll reach the real talking about Metro D politicians will be completely different from the one sitting now on those chairs, since it will take at least 10 years.

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Line C will take long enough to reach Clodio, I'm afraid.
I hope not, but I fear it will.
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By the way, recalling the discussion on how dangerous can be to realize the Metro C in archaeological area and how some local politicians claim that the excavations will destroy the Colosseum, here are some historic pictures from the 1930's. It's the building site for the realization of the B line near Colosseum.

Enjoy









And here are some pics of Termini station of Line B. You can see some marvelous mosaics from the Imperial period that where preserved in Palazzo Massimo museum, neraby Termini.

[IMG]http://i60.************/fw2zl.jpg[/IMG]

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Thanks to Aenigma and RomaMetropolitane website we have the new February pics from C Line works.

It's clear how late is San Giovanni, probably another 2 years to the public opening.
Really beautiful the pic on the Fori Imperiali.

Enjoy.

http://www.romametropolitane.it/arti...245&CodArt=246

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...ostcount=21605

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Qualche nuova foto sul sito di Roma Metropolitane:

http://www.romametropolitane.it/arti...245&CodArt=246

Mirti:




Gardenie:




Teano:




Malatesta:




Pigneto:





Lodi:




Lavori in corso

San Giovanni:




Giardini di Via Sannio:



Amba Aradam/Ipponio: Dettaglio dei lavori per la realizzazione dei diaframmi:



Fori Imperiali:


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Hi - is there any more news about tramway developments? Our arrival is approaching for 2 weeks in Roma with trams featuring large in our ambitions and we do hope to visit Napoli during this time. We have looked a the various opportunities including the tours by vintage tramcars.

By way of explanation I used to manage the National Tramway Museum in England and presently look after an heritage railway. An email to the transport authority has not produced a response!

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PS - By we I mean my wife and I who indulges my enthusiasms particularly as our visit coincides with a significant birthday
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Hi - is there any more news about tramway developments? Our arrival is approaching for 2 weeks in Roma with trams featuring large in our ambitions and we do hope to visit Napoli during this time. We have looked a the various opportunities including the tours by vintage tramcars.

By way of explanation I used to manage the National Tramway Museum in England and presently look after an heritage railway. An email to the transport authority has not produced a response!

Martin

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Hi!

No, no more news. Our tram network won't change in the next two weeks.

Don't know if the heritage tram will be running in those days, it's property of an association, GRAF, which sometimes use it.

BTW you will find some 1940-carriages on 5, 14 and 19 lines.

And the light rail Roma-Giardinetti has 1920 rolling stock.
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Hi - is there any more news about tramway developments? Our arrival is approaching for 2 weeks in Roma with trams featuring large in our ambitions and we do hope to visit Napoli during this time. We have looked a the various opportunities including the tours by vintage tramcars.

By way of explanation I used to manage the National Tramway Museum in England and presently look after an heritage railway. An email to the transport authority has not produced a response!

Martin

PS - By we I mean my wife and I who indulges my enthusiasms particularly as our visit coincides with a significant birthday
If you want, there are two museums exposing historic roman tramways and train cars.
One is in the east suburban area of the city, not far from C line.
http://www.ferroviamuseo-colonna.it/museo.htm

while the other is more central (and smaller) next to Ostiense station.
http://www.romeguide.it/museidiromaeng.php?id=12293

Otherwise if you want to enjoy a nice night on an historic tram of 1940s there is the Jazz Tram.
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attract...ome_Lazio.html

http://www.tramjazz.com//

Finally you can have a romantic dinner inside of a tram next to the colosseum

http://www.ristotram.it/
http://www.tripadvisor.it/Restaurant...ome_Lazio.html

About the other news, Narkelion knows better

Enjoy your stay!
(and beware pickpockets in the most crowded and touristic stations)
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Many thanks - most interesting and helpful

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It seems that this is the right time

Jonio Station on B1 Line will be opened by next 21st Aptil 2015.

Incidentally is also the birthday of Rome
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Great! One more Metro station!

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Could you help me?
When I was in Rome last year, on Metro line B messages in trains were in Italian and German. I dont know Italian and German.
In Italian message was "prossima fermata Garbatella: + sth else,
but just before any station in German message sounds like "muzt zaj upset". I really don't know what it was mean.
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