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Old October 19th, 2009, 05:38 AM   #201
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In terms of pure stadiums, it’s hard to look past London. The sheer number of football venues alone makes it at least a top 2 contender, and when you add Wimbledon Centre Court and its indoor arenas, it makes it even harder to beat.

But, and it’s a big but, if you were to extend this question, and ask, which city is the ultimate sporting city, then you would have to discount London as the ultimate sporting city. Because quite frankly, for the reason stated below, it’s not.

Yes London can host football matches, rugby, basketball, tennis and a whole lot of other sports, but unless the ocean suddenly erodes southern England until it comes up to London’s doorstep, you won’t be seeing it host salt water events any time soon. This is where cities like LA and Melbourne will always have it over London in these type of discussions. You see Melbourne and LA has the capabilities to host any event London can host, however, they go one better because they can also host sporting events which involve the ocean. London can’t. London can host rowing events in the Thames, as Melbourne can with its Yarra River, but you won’t ever see London host an Americas Cup, or a World Sailing Championship or ocean swimming championships or iron man events. It is physically impossible for London to host events which involve the beach or ocean. For that reason, London will always have a question mark over it.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 06:16 AM   #202
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In terms of pure stadiums, it’s hard to look past London. The sheer number of football venues alone makes it at least a top 2 contender, and when you add Wimbledon Centre Court and its indoor arenas, it makes it even harder to beat.

But, and it’s a big but, if you were to extend this question, and ask, which city is the ultimate sporting city, then you would have to discount London as the ultimate sporting city. Because quite frankly, for the reason stated below, it’s not.

Yes London can host football matches, rugby, basketball, tennis and a whole lot of other sports, but unless the ocean suddenly erodes southern England until it comes up to London’s doorstep, you won’t be seeing it host salt water events any time soon. This is where cities like LA and Melbourne will always have it over London in these type of discussions. You see Melbourne and LA has the capabilities to host any event London can host, however, they go one better because they can also host sporting events which involve the ocean. London can’t. London can host rowing events in the Thames, as Melbourne can with its Yarra River, but you won’t ever see London host an Americas Cup, or a World Sailing Championship or ocean swimming championships or iron man events. It is physically impossible for London to host events which involve the beach or ocean. For that reason, London will always have a question mark over it.
Interesting point. I never thought of that one.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 06:36 AM   #203
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This isnt an "ultimate sporting city" question.
The topic revolves around the "Stadium capital of the World"..

I haven't seen any city come close to London
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Old October 19th, 2009, 07:26 AM   #204
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This isnt an "ultimate sporting city" question.
The topic revolves around the "Stadium capital of the World"..

I haven't seen any city come close to London
Just trying to imagine a yachting stadium... I'm thinking the roof would have to be optional.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 07:32 AM   #205
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Marine_Stadium
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Old October 19th, 2009, 11:56 AM   #206
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Old October 19th, 2009, 12:16 PM   #207
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I thought Paris would have more facilities, especially indoor halls
Well, As JimB said we have only one big football team !
We have numerous small stadiums or indoor Arenas + several big temporary ones (which are not in my previous post/list).

Anyway the total capacity of the Paris' sport venues is not so bad (especially in a city/country absolutely not crazy about sports) :

Without racecourses : 376,700 (thanks to the non-used/useless venues)
Including racecourse : 586,700


In term of large indoor arena, in addition of the Paris-Bercy Arena (16,000) & the future National Handball Arena (15,000), there is the future Arena 92 (rugby stadium, 32,000 seats) which will be also an indoor arena by means of its retractable roof and its retractable/mobile tiers.



Here is the list of the Paris' professional or semi-pro. teams and their grounds/"arenas" :

- Paris Saint-Germain (Football, Ligue 1): Parc des Princes (49,000)
- Paris Football Club (Football, Ligue 3): Stade Charléty (21,000)
- US Créteil (Football, Ligue 3): Stade Duvauchelle (13,000)
- Racing Club de France (Rugby, Top 14): Stade Olympique Yves du Manoir (14,000), Arena92 from 2013 (32,000)
- Stade Français (Rugby, Top 14): Stade Jean-Bouin (14,000 today / 22,000 from 2012)

Indoor Sports:

- Paris Volley (Volleyball, Pro A): Salle Pierre-Charpy (3,000)
- Stade Français (Women's Volleyball, Pro A): Salle Géo-André (1,000)
- La Rochette Volley (Women's Volleyball, Pro A): Gymnase René Tabourot (1,000)
- Paris-Levallois (Basketball, Pro A): Palais des Sports de Levallois (5,000)
- JSA Nanterre (Basketball, Pro B): Palais des Sports de Nanterre (2,000)
- Paris Handball (Handball, Division 1): Stade Pierre de Coubertin (5,000) & Halle George Carpentier (7/9,000-temporary)
- US Ivry (Handball, Division 1): Gymnase Auguste-Delaune (1,500)
- US Créteil (Handball, Division 1): Palais des Sports de Créteil (2,500)
- Tremblay Handball (Handball, Division 1): Palais des Sports de Tremblay-en-France (1,200)
- Issy-les-Moulineaux Handball (Women's Handball, Division 1): Palais des Sports d'Issy (1,500)

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Old October 19th, 2009, 01:17 PM   #208
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Its hard to believe that Texas has more stadiums than all but 14 countries, and that Spain has more stadiums than the UK, France, and Italy.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 01:47 PM   #209
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that Spain has more stadiums than the UK, France, and Italy.
Spain has numerous Bullfighting Arenas......

The UK and Italy haven't and France has some only in the southern regions !

Anyway, at least about France, worldstadiums.com is far for being exhaustive and up to date !
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Old October 19th, 2009, 01:47 PM   #210
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In terms of pure stadiums, it’s hard to look past London. The sheer number of football venues alone makes it at least a top 2 contender, and when you add Wimbledon Centre Court and its indoor arenas, it makes it even harder to beat.

But, and it’s a big but, if you were to extend this question, and ask, which city is the ultimate sporting city, then you would have to discount London as the ultimate sporting city. Because quite frankly, for the reason stated below, it’s not.

Yes London can host football matches, rugby, basketball, tennis and a whole lot of other sports, but unless the ocean suddenly erodes southern England until it comes up to London’s doorstep, you won’t be seeing it host salt water events any time soon. This is where cities like LA and Melbourne will always have it over London in these type of discussions. You see Melbourne and LA has the capabilities to host any event London can host, however, they go one better because they can also host sporting events which involve the ocean. London can’t. London can host rowing events in the Thames, as Melbourne can with its Yarra River, but you won’t ever see London host an Americas Cup, or a World Sailing Championship or ocean swimming championships or iron man events. It is physically impossible for London to host events which involve the beach or ocean. For that reason, London will always have a question mark over it.
Firstly, this has nothing to do with a discussion about which city is stadium capital of the world. It belongs on another thread.

Secondly, you're not saying anything about the cities themselves. You're only talking about the natural geography of the areas they inhabit.

Thirdly, the city of London is within twenty miles of the North Sea and the actual metropolitan area of London has a coastline on the North Sea.

Fourthly, by your reasoning, the likes of Melbourne and LA could not be considered ultimate sporting cities either because they cannot host much by way of winter sports events (Melbourne might be within a three hour drive of Mount Buller and LA a couple of hours from a number of resorts but, by your criteria, that's far too far away to be counted).

Lastly, if you're eliminating a city because of its geographical unsuitability for certain sports, then you also have to consider that a city can be unsuitable for certain sports simply because there is no interest in those sports in that city. If there is no interest, there will likely be limited facilities and limited numbers of people to compete with or against. Certainly, that is as valid a reason as geography when deciding upon an ultimate sporting city. But, as I said, that's a discussion for another thread. Perhaps you should start one?
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Old October 19th, 2009, 01:50 PM   #211
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Its hard to believe that Texas has more stadiums than all but 14 countries, and that Spain has more stadiums than the UK, France, and Italy.
Texas almost has as many as Australia!
Mind you, it has the population of Australia + 2 million more.

USA is quite impressive when it comes to the # of stadiums.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 03:27 PM   #212
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In terms of pure stadiums, it’s hard to look past London. The sheer number of football venues alone makes it at least a top 2 contender, and when you add Wimbledon Centre Court and its indoor arenas, it makes it even harder to beat.

But, and it’s a big but, if you were to extend this question, and ask, which city is the ultimate sporting city, then you would have to discount London as the ultimate sporting city. Because quite frankly, for the reason stated below, it’s not.

Yes London can host football matches, rugby, basketball, tennis and a whole lot of other sports, but unless the ocean suddenly erodes southern England until it comes up to London’s doorstep, you won’t be seeing it host salt water events any time soon. This is where cities like LA and Melbourne will always have it over London in these type of discussions. You see Melbourne and LA has the capabilities to host any event London can host, however, they go one better because they can also host sporting events which involve the ocean. London can’t. London can host rowing events in the Thames, as Melbourne can with its Yarra River, but you won’t ever see London host an Americas Cup, or a World Sailing Championship or ocean swimming championships or iron man events. It is physically impossible for London to host events which involve the beach or ocean. For that reason, London will always have a question mark over it.
So the ocean is considered a stadium now. Interesting.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 03:35 PM   #213
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So the ocean is considered a stadium now. Interesting.
Not necessarily. Look at the Red Bull Air-Race.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 03:42 PM   #214
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i'll say london is the stadium capital of the world(but i am biased there) but LA does have impressive stadia and so does Melbourne.

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In terms of pure stadiums, it’s hard to look past London. The sheer number of football venues alone makes it at least a top 2 contender, and when you add Wimbledon Centre Court and its indoor arenas, it makes it even harder to beat.

But, and it’s a big but, if you were to extend this question, and ask, which city is the ultimate sporting city, then you would have to discount London as the ultimate sporting city. Because quite frankly, for the reason stated below, it’s not.

Yes London can host football matches, rugby, basketball, tennis and a whole lot of other sports, but unless the ocean suddenly erodes southern England until it comes up to London’s doorstep, you won’t be seeing it host salt water events any time soon. This is where cities like LA and Melbourne will always have it over London in these type of discussions. You see Melbourne and LA has the capabilities to host any event London can host, however, they go one better because they can also host sporting events which involve the ocean. London can’t. London can host rowing events in the Thames, as Melbourne can with its Yarra River, but you won’t ever see London host an Americas Cup, or a World Sailing Championship or ocean swimming championships or iron man events. It is physically impossible for London to host events which involve the beach or ocean. For that reason, London will always have a question mark over it.
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Not necessarily. Look at the Red Bull Air-Race.
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Ocean?
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Old October 19th, 2009, 04:01 PM   #216
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Ocean?
Air. race. is. held. over. ocean... people. line. up. on. side. of.... ocean.

Although it isn't classified as a "stadium".As far as I'm concerned, it's as much a "stadium" as a race course or horse racing tack.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 04:38 PM   #217
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It's actually as much of a stadium as some guys watching two drunks fight. Because you're just standing there.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 04:43 PM   #218
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It's actually as much of a stadium as some guys watching two drunks fight. Because you're just standing there.
Which is about as good as it gets in Charlotte hey?
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Air. race. is. held. over. ocean... people. line. up. on. side. of.... ocean.

Although it isn't classified as a "stadium".As far as I'm concerned, it's as much a "stadium" as a race course or horse racing tack.
Err.....red. bull. air. race. also. held. in. places. with. no. ocean. coastline. eg. london's. canary. wharf. so. "ocean". is. not. determining. factor.

Can we talk normally now?
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Old October 19th, 2009, 05:09 PM   #220
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Air. race. is. held. over. ocean... people. line. up. on. side. of.... ocean.

Although it isn't classified as a "stadium".As far as I'm concerned, it's as much a "stadium" as a race course or horse racing tack.

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