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Old November 30th, 2010, 02:19 AM   #401
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JOHANNESBURG (real stadia, not fantasy Doha stadia)

Soccer City (88,000)


Ellis Park (62,000)


Orlando Stadium (40,000)


Johannesburg Stadium (30,000)



Rand Stadium (25,000)



Dobsonville Stadium (20,000)




Wanderers Stadium
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Old November 30th, 2010, 09:24 AM   #402
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D E L

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Old December 2nd, 2010, 06:18 PM   #403
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2022: Qatar
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 06:26 PM   #404
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Congratulations Russia and Qatar.
You guys can do it.

Cheers.
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Old December 4th, 2010, 04:32 AM   #405
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Not sure, if Mexico City can be the world capital, but can put a really good fight.

1.- Azteca Stadium (105,000)
2.- Olympic Stadium (66,000)
3.- Plaza Mexico Monumental Bullring (50,000)
4.- Azul Stadium (39,000)
5.- Foro Sol (56,000 concert mode) frecuently used as concert venue.
6.- Palacio de los Deportes, (22,000)
7.- Neza 86 Stadium (28,000)
8.- Las Americas racecourse (20,000)
9.- Arena Mexico (16,500)
10.-Auditorio Nacional (10,000)
11.-Arena Coliseo (5,500)
12.-Nezahualcoyotl Hall (2,500)
13.-Metropolitan Theather (3,500)
14.-Palace of Fine Arts (1,300)

Total 425,300

Also under construction is the new 22,000 Arena Ciudad de Mexico
And several theathers above 1,000 (Mexico City is home to the third concentration of theathers after New York and Toronto)
You forgot Wilfrido Massieu (15,000).
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Old December 4th, 2010, 04:12 PM   #406
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I would say London
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Old December 6th, 2010, 03:49 PM   #407
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By 2022 I'd say Doha.
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Old December 6th, 2010, 05:51 PM   #408
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By 2022 I'd say Doha.
And by 2023, not Doha!
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Old December 6th, 2010, 07:00 PM   #409
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Old December 6th, 2010, 11:42 PM   #410
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Doha it will be...









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Old December 7th, 2010, 12:24 AM   #411
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Doha it will be...
Still wouldn't begin to match London for overall capacity and variety.

Besides, most of the new stadiums will be torn down by 2023!
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Old December 7th, 2010, 02:01 AM   #412
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Still wouldn't begin to match London for overall capacity and variety.

Besides, most of the new stadiums will be torn down by 2023!
Saw someone's list of stadiums for London down the thread, they were counting Watford, Luton, Reading, Southend, Gillingham and many others including alsorts of racecourses and race tracks which are all miles away from London..... some stretch to win argument methinks. None of these places are in London.... bit like me claiming Old Trafford, COM and half a dozen other North West clubs are in Liverpool for instance because you can travel to them all in under an hour.

Has anyone listed Buenos Aires' stadia. They seem to have a lot of monster football grounds on top of each other from what I can remember, and it seems a much bigger city than London, as indeed is Mexico city and New York.... and several others.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 02:11 AM   #413
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Doha will never be, because as the bid states like four of those will be in Al-Rayaan.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 03:10 AM   #414
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Saw someone's list of stadiums for London down the thread, they were counting Watford, Luton, Reading, Southend, Gillingham and many others including alsorts of racecourses and race tracks which are all miles away from London..... some stretch to win argument methinks. None of these places are in London.... bit like me claiming Old Trafford, COM and half a dozen other North West clubs are in Liverpool for instance because you can travel to them all in under an hour.

Has anyone listed Buenos Aires' stadia. They seem to have a lot of monster football grounds on top of each other from what I can remember, and it seems a much bigger city than London, as indeed is Mexico city and New York.... and several others.
Luton, Reading, Southend, Gillingham........silly to include them.

But Watford....that's fine.

Watford is within the M25; it is on the London Underground system; and there is continuous urban sprawl from central London to Watford.

The others cities you mention have bigger populations. But they can't match London for number, variety and overall capacity of stadiums.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 12:44 PM   #415
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Luton, Reading, Southend, Gillingham........silly to include them.

But Watford....that's fine.

Watford is within the M25; it is on the London Underground system; and there is continuous urban sprawl from central London to Watford.

The others cities you mention have bigger populations. But they can't match London for number, variety and overall capacity of stadiums.
You might be right about Watford.... I thought it was about 20 miles from central London, but the conurbation is probably continuous..... but the point I was making is that if you take all the peripherals, and the massive racetracks away, which let's face it were a massive boost to the capacity numbers, then the final figure drops quite dramatically. These were intentionally added for impact, and greatly distorted the numbers by hundreds of thousands for that reason. Adding Aintree's capacity, which is well inside the conurbation (150k+), to the other Merseyside stadia would greatly distort that figure too, but would hardly be a true reflection of the city's status in terms of stadia. Other than Arsenal there is no other club stadium in London over 43k (for now), and without the national stadium, (which a lot of other cities will never have), it's not so remarkable IMO. Buenos Aires for instance has something like 7 club stadiums over 42k, with another 7 club stadia between 25k and 42k. There are many more with lower capacities again..... London might have some great little and historic footy grounds, but I'm not sure it really matches that.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 01:01 PM   #416
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You might be right about Watford.... I thought it was about 20 miles from central London, but the conurbation is probably continuous..... but the point I was making is that if you take all the peripherals, and the massive racetracks away, which let's face it were a massive boost to the capacity numbers, then the final figure drops quite dramatically. These were intentionally added for impact, and greatly distorted the numbers by hundreds of thousands for that reason. Adding Aintree's capacity, which is well inside the conurbation (150k+), to the other Merseyside stadia would greatly distort that figure too, but would hardly be a true reflection of the city's status in terms of stadia. Other than Arsenal there is no other club stadium in London over 43k (for now), and without the national stadium, (which a lot of other cities will never have), it's not so remarkable IMO. Buenos Aires for instance has something like 7 club stadiums over 42k, with another 7 club stadia between 25k and 42k. There are many more with lower capacities again..... London might have some great little and historic footy grounds, but I'm not sure it really matches that.
Well, perhaps someone should post the Buenos Aires stadiums. See how they compare.

Personally, I doubt that Buenos Aires can begin to match London overall, if you take into account all the criteria: number, overall capacity, variety, quality, fame, iconic status, history.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 01:21 PM   #417
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You are comparing Buenos Aires to London?

Is this some kind of a joke which i'm not quite getting?
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Old December 7th, 2010, 01:42 PM   #418
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Well, perhaps someone should post the Buenos Aires stadiums. See how they compare.

Personally, I doubt that Buenos Aires can begin to match London overall, if you take into account all the criteria: number, overall capacity, variety, quality, fame, iconic status, history.
For a start, I think 7 club stadia over 42k means they more than "begin" to match London. The other criteria you mention can be slightly subjective, since iconic and famous to you might mean very little to a boca juniors fan.

However, if anything I was being quite conservative if you check out this list:

http://www.worldstadiums.com/south_a...rgentina.shtml

Please note: Avellenada, San Isidro, Lanus and even La Plata are all in Greater Buenos Aires, and have some very large stadia too. Add these to Beunos Aires' list, and I think you could only conclude that in actual fact London doesn't begin to match BA. It's 20 yrs since I last went there, and the place always gave me the impression of being full of medium to large stadia.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 01:43 PM   #419
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You are comparing Buenos Aires to London?

Is this some kind of a joke which i'm not quite getting?
You have never been to BA then?
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Old December 7th, 2010, 02:37 PM   #420
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London has 29 stadiums and a total capacity of:

647,736

and thats not including the extra one being constructed for the olympic games which brings it up to 30 and a total cpacity of 727,736

Beijing has 30 stadiums and a total capacity of:

502,113

Sydney has 28 stadiums and a total capacity of:

523,500

Melbourne has a total of 41 stadiums and a total capacity of:

947,017

i think my source may be inconcsistent with its inclusions as with Melbourne it counts racing circuits and it didnt with any other city, but in its lists this is the outcome

No of Stadiums:

1. Melbourne (41)
2. Beijing (30)
3. London (29)
4. Sydney (28)

Capacity:

1. Melbourne (947,017)
2. London (647,736)
3. Sydney (523,500)
4. Beijing (502,113)

My source is: http://www.worldstadiums.com/
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